Ghyll talk:WhereIsWhere - Revision history

Undrhil: * :: Grumbles about typos and moves along :: *

2005-07-03T08:03:32Z

* :: Grumbles about typos and moves along :: *

Undrhil: * I was never any good at Geography *

2005-07-03T08:02:50Z

* I was never any good at Geography *

Morbus Iff: I just made no sense at all. Thinking of Dulalia.

2005-06-17T19:19:06Z

I just made no sense at all. Thinking of Dulalia.

Morbus Iff: Visual, non-ASCII map forthcoming.

2005-06-17T19:17:55Z

Visual, non-ASCII map forthcoming.

Nikos of Ant: on Jurra

2005-06-17T19:14:09Z

on Jurra

Jcowan: Fixing my name

2005-06-12T03:19:28Z

Fixing my name

Morbus Iff: Editing and cleanup. No content added. Go away.

2004-10-12T01:41:50Z

Editing and cleanup. No content added. Go away.

Dok: /* Possible solution to geographic difficulties */ Me 2

2004-10-01T05:56:48Z

Possible solution to geographic difficulties: Me 2

Jcowan: /* Possible post-Ghyllian solution to geographic difficulties */

2004-09-30T17:21:18Z

Possible post-Ghyllian solution to geographic difficulties

Joe Bowers: /* Possible post-Ghyllian solution to geographic difficulties */

2004-09-30T16:50:57Z

Possible post-Ghyllian solution to geographic difficulties

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	6/17/05: as to my changes to the Principality from "town; maybe more" to "a territory..." and the addition of the "Town of Jurra"; I base this on the [[Harrabloon Bank]] entry which speaks of the Principality and later states: "From time to time, political officials representing the Prince or the Town Council have made..." I like the idea of a Principality (traditional meaning) but had to reconcile this statement about a Town Council... what town? my answer is the Town of Jurra. I also added the township of Ingotburrough in [[EUPHORIA]] as my way of increasing the size of the Principality from just one town. I realize that this is open to consideration and that the powers-that-be may disagree and wipe away my change. AIGH! --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 15:14, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)		6/17/05: as to my changes to the Principality from "town; maybe more" to "a territory..." and the addition of the "Town of Jurra"; I base this on the [[Harrabloon Bank]] entry which speaks of the Principality and later states: "From time to time, political officials representing the Prince or the Town Council have made..." I like the idea of a Principality (traditional meaning) but had to reconcile this statement about a Town Council... what town? my answer is the Town of Jurra. I also added the township of Ingotburrough in [[EUPHORIA]] as my way of increasing the size of the Principality from just one town. I realize that this is open to consideration and that the powers-that-be may disagree and wipe away my change. AIGH! --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 15:14, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)

−	Question about ~~Pelons~~ Peak: Since it is a mountain, would it be wrong to think that perhaps ~~Pelons~~ Peak forms a part of one of the walls of the Valley in which Ellensworth is located? --[[User:Undrhil\|Trousle Undrhil]] 04:02, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)	+	Question about Pelon Peak: Since it is a mountain, would it be wrong to think that perhaps Pelon Peak forms a part of one of the walls of the Valley in which Ellensworth is located? --[[User:Undrhil\|Trousle Undrhil]] 04:02, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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	6/17/05: as to my changes to the Principality from "town; maybe more" to "a territory..." and the addition of the "Town of Jurra"; I base this on the [[Harrabloon Bank]] entry which speaks of the Principality and later states: "From time to time, political officials representing the Prince or the Town Council have made..." I like the idea of a Principality (traditional meaning) but had to reconcile this statement about a Town Council... what town? my answer is the Town of Jurra. I also added the township of Ingotburrough in [[EUPHORIA]] as my way of increasing the size of the Principality from just one town. I realize that this is open to consideration and that the powers-that-be may disagree and wipe away my change. AIGH! --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 15:14, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)		6/17/05: as to my changes to the Principality from "town; maybe more" to "a territory..." and the addition of the "Town of Jurra"; I base this on the [[Harrabloon Bank]] entry which speaks of the Principality and later states: "From time to time, political officials representing the Prince or the Town Council have made..." I like the idea of a Principality (traditional meaning) but had to reconcile this statement about a Town Council... what town? my answer is the Town of Jurra. I also added the township of Ingotburrough in [[EUPHORIA]] as my way of increasing the size of the Principality from just one town. I realize that this is open to consideration and that the powers-that-be may disagree and wipe away my change. AIGH! --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 15:14, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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		+	Question about Pelons Peak: Since it is a mountain, would it be wrong to think that perhaps Pelons Peak forms a part of one of the walls of the Valley in which Ellensworth is located? --[[User:Undrhil\|Trousle Undrhil]] 04:02, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)

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	6/17/05: as to my changes to the Principality from "town; maybe more" to "a territory..." and the addition of the "Town of Jurra"; I base this on the [[Harrabloon Bank]] entry which speaks of the Principality and later states: "From time to time, political officials representing the Prince or the Town Council have made..." I like the idea of a Principality (traditional meaning) but had to reconcile this statement about a Town Council... what town? my answer is the Town of Jurra. I also added the township of Ingotburrough in [[EUPHORIA]] as my way of increasing the size of the Principality from just one town. I realize that this is open to consideration and that the powers-that-be may disagree and wipe away my change. AIGH! --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 15:14, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)		6/17/05: as to my changes to the Principality from "town; maybe more" to "a territory..." and the addition of the "Town of Jurra"; I base this on the [[Harrabloon Bank]] entry which speaks of the Principality and later states: "From time to time, political officials representing the Prince or the Town Council have made..." I like the idea of a Principality (traditional meaning) but had to reconcile this statement about a Town Council... what town? my answer is the Town of Jurra. I also added the township of Ingotburrough in [[EUPHORIA]] as my way of increasing the size of the Principality from just one town. I realize that this is open to consideration and that the powers-that-be may disagree and wipe away my change. AIGH! --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 15:14, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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−	:I am currently in the process of working on a new map, and I will be placing a number of the "undetermined" stuff to the east of the current map - in the 230 leles between Egron and the Xurient. So, that's where your stuff will end up going as well (in relation to Lake Crimin, etc., which is already placed in my head too). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:17, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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	I think this is a great solution and one that I would be happy to work with. --[[User:Dok\|Dok]] 01:56, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)		I think this is a great solution and one that I would be happy to work with. --[[User:Dok\|Dok]] 01:56, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

		+	6/17/05: as to my changes to the Principality from "town; maybe more" to "a territory..." and the addition of the "Town of Jurra"; I base this on the [[Harrabloon Bank]] entry which speaks of the Principality and later states: "From time to time, political officials representing the Prince or the Town Council have made..." I like the idea of a Principality (traditional meaning) but had to reconcile this statement about a Town Council... what town? my answer is the Town of Jurra. I also added the township of Ingotburrough in [[EUPHORIA]] as my way of increasing the size of the Principality from just one town. I realize that this is open to consideration and that the powers-that-be may disagree and wipe away my change. AIGH! --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 15:14, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)

−	~~....~~	+	:I am currently in the process of working on a new map, and I will be placing a number of the "undetermined" stuff to the east of the current map - in the 230 leles between Egron and the Xurient. So, that's where your stuff will end up going as well (in relation to Lake Crimin, etc., which is already placed in my head too). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:17, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)
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−	~~as to my changes to~~ the ~~Principality from "town; maybe more" to "~~a ~~territory..."~~ and ~~the addition~~ of the "~~Town of Jurra~~"~~; I base this on~~ the ~~[[Harrabloon Bank]] entry which speaks~~ of the ~~Principality~~ and ~~later states: "From time to time, political officials representing the Prince or~~ the ~~Town Council have made~~.~~.." I like the idea of a Principality~~ (~~traditional meaning) but had~~ to ~~reconcile this statement about a Town Council~~.~~.. what town? my answer~~ is ~~the Town of Jurra. I also added the township of Ingotburrough~~ in ~~[[EUPHORIA]] as~~ my ~~way of increasing the size of the Principality from just one town~~. ~~I realize that this is open to consideration and that the powers-that-be may disagree and wipe away my change. AIGH!~~ --[[User:~~Nikos of Ant~~\|~~Nikos of Ant~~]] 15:14, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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	I think this is a great solution and one that I would be happy to work with. --[[User:Dok\|Dok]] 01:56, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)		I think this is a great solution and one that I would be happy to work with. --[[User:Dok\|Dok]] 01:56, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)
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		+	as to my changes to the Principality from "town; maybe more" to "a territory..." and the addition of the "Town of Jurra"; I base this on the [[Harrabloon Bank]] entry which speaks of the Principality and later states: "From time to time, political officials representing the Prince or the Town Council have made..." I like the idea of a Principality (traditional meaning) but had to reconcile this statement about a Town Council... what town? my answer is the Town of Jurra. I also added the township of Ingotburrough in [[EUPHORIA]] as my way of increasing the size of the Principality from just one town. I realize that this is open to consideration and that the powers-that-be may disagree and wipe away my change. AIGH! --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 15:14, 17 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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 == Possible solution to geographic difficulties ==
-J.R.R. Tolkien once said that it was impossible to devise a consistent map from a narrative; you have to begin with the map and write the narrative around it.  I think the above kerfuffle shows that the same is even more true of a collectively written encyclopedia. I suggest that whoever does this game next, post-Ghyll, use some software to concoct a random map (there's software somewhere for doing that, I'm sure) and then scatter numbers on rivers, lakes, bays, capes, shorelines, forests, plains, mountains, likely town and city locations, and so on.  People can then dib for these numbers as they need them, so that someone can define map location 76 as the city of Twelve Trees, for example, and then everyone else would be committed to that.  In this way, geographical inconsistencies would be obvious and straightforwardly correctable. (Anyone who feels like doing this now for Ghyll would, I'm sure, gain the gratitude of all Encyclopedists.) --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 09:04, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)
+J.R.R. Tolkien once said that it was impossible to devise a consistent map from a narrative; you have to begin with the map and write the narrative around it.  I think the above kerfuffle shows that the same is even more true of a collectively written encyclopedia. I suggest that whoever does this game next, post-Ghyll, use some software to concoct a random map (there's software somewhere for doing that, I'm sure) and then scatter numbers on rivers, lakes, bays, capes, shorelines, forests, plains, mountains, likely town and city locations, and so on.  People can then dib for these numbers as they need them, so that someone can define map location 76 as the city of Twelve Trees, for example, and then everyone else would be committed to that.  In this way, geographical inconsistencies would be obvious and straightforwardly correctable. (Anyone who feels like doing this now for Ghyll would, I'm sure, gain the gratitude of all Encyclopedists.) --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 09:04, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)
 Great suggestion!  I was waiting for Morbus to deal with his issues this week before talking about this, but I was wondering what ideas folks had in regards to these issues.  FWIW, I will be working on a map for Ghyll, possibly this weekend, based on the Ghyll Geography as it's being laid out here.  I'm doing my best to make it seem like a hand-drawn map, but I'm sure I'll have to do more than one pass at it before it works to my satisfaction.  FYI, I use Campaign Cartographer by [[http://www.profantasy.com ProFantasy]].  You can see my work [[http://www.fantasist.net/cartography.shtml here]]. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 09:50, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)

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	This is a super-great idea. The attempt to derive map from story (there was always too little or too much info) was the key factor in my wussing out of the whole thing. :) --[[User:Joe Bowers\|Joe Bowers]] 12:50, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)		This is a super-great idea. The attempt to derive map from story (there was always too little or too much info) was the key factor in my wussing out of the whole thing. :) --[[User:Joe Bowers\|Joe Bowers]] 12:50, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)
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		+	I think this is a great solution and one that I would be happy to work with. --[[User:Dok\|Dok]] 01:56, 1 Oct 2004 (EDT)

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 Well, I certainly understand that sentiment.  I think it would be a shame to completely close off new places until we know just how far it is from Folktown to the coast, though.  In fact, I was hoping to add one more city, (fill-in-the-blank)-by-the-sea, with a distance relative to Folktown or Iganefta, or something.  Still, a tighter focus would be better for detailed role-playing.  I have to admit, I'm having a bit of a challenge conjoining "role-playing" with "encyclopedia".  I have more entries to work on that, though, so I'm hoping I get it figured before my brain melts.  Oh, and I hope to build entries that have a level of detail which allow for things like recipes.  The scones I made this weekend were yummy! (Sorry, that had nothing to do with Geography.) --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 10:00, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)
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+== Possible solution to geographic difficulties ==
 J.R.R. Tolkien once said that it was impossible to devise a consistent map from a narrative; you have to begin with the map and write the narrative around it.  I think the above kerfuffle shows that the same is even more true of a collectively written encyclopedia.

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	Great suggestion! I was waiting for Morbus to deal with his issues this week before talking about this, but I was wondering what ideas folks had in regards to these issues. FWIW, I will be working on a map for Ghyll, possibly this weekend, based on the Ghyll Geography as it's being laid out here. I'm doing my best to make it seem like a hand-drawn map, but I'm sure I'll have to do more than one pass at it before it works to my satisfaction. FYI, I use Campaign Cartographer by [[http://www.profantasy.com ProFantasy]]. You can see my work [[http://www.fantasist.net/cartography.shtml here]]. --[[User:PhineasCrank\|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 09:50, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)		Great suggestion! I was waiting for Morbus to deal with his issues this week before talking about this, but I was wondering what ideas folks had in regards to these issues. FWIW, I will be working on a map for Ghyll, possibly this weekend, based on the Ghyll Geography as it's being laid out here. I'm doing my best to make it seem like a hand-drawn map, but I'm sure I'll have to do more than one pass at it before it works to my satisfaction. FYI, I use Campaign Cartographer by [[http://www.profantasy.com ProFantasy]]. You can see my work [[http://www.fantasist.net/cartography.shtml here]]. --[[User:PhineasCrank\|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 09:50, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)
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		+	This is a super-great idea. The attempt to derive map from story (there was always too little or too much info) was the key factor in my wussing out of the whole thing. :) --[[User:Joe Bowers\|Joe Bowers]] 12:50, 30 Sep 2004 (EDT)