Ghyll talk:Supranatural luminescence meter - Revision history

Brother Arfrus: re WCB

2005-09-30T19:28:31Z

re WCB

Brother Arfrus: I am an idiot

2005-09-30T13:47:54Z

I am an idiot

Morbus Iff: Did you even read my comment? Sentence 2, bub.

2005-09-30T12:54:05Z

Did you even read my comment? Sentence 2, bub.

Brother Arfrus: WCB is old old old

2005-09-30T12:49:51Z

WCB is old old old

Morbus Iff: Oh, re: your orthogonality citation.

2005-09-27T21:51:01Z

Oh, re: your orthogonality citation.

Morbus Iff: Thoughts and considerations re: WCB.

2005-09-27T21:49:26Z

Thoughts and considerations re: WCB.

Brother Arfrus: Morbus, help!

2005-09-27T20:52:09Z

Morbus, help!

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Got a question here. Wilhelmina Corinne Bardway is a key figure, the inventor of the SLM. I was trying to place her in time, and ran into a conflict. The [[Carsokian]] entry indicates that WCB made her discoveries in -100 [[EC]]. It also notes that she created the famous phaleros window at the Court of [[Odgar IV]]. But Odgar's court was from -266 to -239 (when he was defenestrated through said window).

No one has specifically stated anything about Ghyllian lifespan (or have i just missed it?). But they seem to correspond to human lifespans. WCB could be incredibly long-lived, I suppose.

I'm not sure how to resolve this. What do you suggest? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:52, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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 :::You didn't even read what I wrote, did you? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 08:54, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 ::::I did read it, I swear.  I don't know how that sentence failed to register.  But look at my draft, you'll recognize something you suggested here, so obviously I read some of it. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 09:47, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 Incidentally, [[orthogonalities]] is not an in-play term, so it can't be used as an official citation. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 :Didn't realize [[orthogonalities]] wasn't citable.  Not a problem, there's lots to cite here. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 09:47, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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	:::You didn't even read what I wrote, did you? --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 08:54, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)		:::You didn't even read what I wrote, did you? --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 08:54, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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		+	::::I did read it, I swear. I don't know how that sentence failed to register. But look at my draft, you'll recognize something you suggested here, so obviously I read some of it. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 09:47, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)

	Incidentally, [[orthogonalities]] is not an in-play term, so it can't be used as an official citation. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)		Incidentally, [[orthogonalities]] is not an in-play term, so it can't be used as an official citation. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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		+	:Didn't realize [[orthogonalities]] wasn't citable. Not a problem, there's lots to cite here. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 09:47, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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	::[[Hermeneutics]] also seems to address questions about her age: "...a work that Bardway continued to this day in application to culinary and medical subjects. Because good lord, she's old. And still so sassy!" --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 08:49, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)		::[[Hermeneutics]] also seems to address questions about her age: "...a work that Bardway continued to this day in application to culinary and medical subjects. Because good lord, she's old. And still so sassy!" --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 08:49, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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		+	:::You didn't even read what I wrote, did you? --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 08:54, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)

	Incidentally, [[orthogonalities]] is not an in-play term, so it can't be used as an official citation. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)		Incidentally, [[orthogonalities]] is not an in-play term, so it can't be used as an official citation. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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	:In fact, there's [[Alezan Script]] that suggest she is still living in -5 EC too. But, take a look at [[Hermeneutics]], which seems to preempt your concern: " Because good lord, she's old. And still so sassy!" As for Ghyllian lifespans, yes, she does pose a bit of a problem: there has been no specific indication of how old a Ghyllian can get, but largely, it has been humanish. There are a few possibilities: a) she really <em>is</em> that old (and I'd include some comment about how much older she is than the <em>average</em> Ghyllian so we can resolve the longevity issue), b) there is more than one person named WCB - perhaps her daughter (does one exist? I dunno), c) she's discovered some way of increasing her lifespan immensely, perhaps from her own research, d) and the one I kinda like: see [[Ghoulwood viola]], which talks about Memories. Could she have become one? Could her work with the ghoulwood have imprinted her own memory onto the wood, and now she acts as a sort of muse (though "not intelligent, but vestigal repetitions of the past") to some grand player? This possibility goes a bit with a): her being so old strengthened her Memory in other people ("she's always been around, that there Wilhelmina"), which in turn empowers her being a Memory in her own invention: a ghoulwood instrument of some sort (a ghoulwood pencil? now that'd be interesting - would bring in ghostwriting). Going with that approach would place the real birth around Odgar IV (so that she'd really be alive to make the drawing), her very old (perhaps the oldest) age around -100 EC (perhaps it wasn't so much as "discovery" of ghoulwood, but a planned life-elongation principle), and her death shortly after - any further mention of her would be her Memory. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)		:In fact, there's [[Alezan Script]] that suggest she is still living in -5 EC too. But, take a look at [[Hermeneutics]], which seems to preempt your concern: " Because good lord, she's old. And still so sassy!" As for Ghyllian lifespans, yes, she does pose a bit of a problem: there has been no specific indication of how old a Ghyllian can get, but largely, it has been humanish. There are a few possibilities: a) she really <em>is</em> that old (and I'd include some comment about how much older she is than the <em>average</em> Ghyllian so we can resolve the longevity issue), b) there is more than one person named WCB - perhaps her daughter (does one exist? I dunno), c) she's discovered some way of increasing her lifespan immensely, perhaps from her own research, d) and the one I kinda like: see [[Ghoulwood viola]], which talks about Memories. Could she have become one? Could her work with the ghoulwood have imprinted her own memory onto the wood, and now she acts as a sort of muse (though "not intelligent, but vestigal repetitions of the past") to some grand player? This possibility goes a bit with a): her being so old strengthened her Memory in other people ("she's always been around, that there Wilhelmina"), which in turn empowers her being a Memory in her own invention: a ghoulwood instrument of some sort (a ghoulwood pencil? now that'd be interesting - would bring in ghostwriting). Going with that approach would place the real birth around Odgar IV (so that she'd really be alive to make the drawing), her very old (perhaps the oldest) age around -100 EC (perhaps it wasn't so much as "discovery" of ghoulwood, but a planned life-elongation principle), and her death shortly after - any further mention of her would be her Memory. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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		+	::[[Hermeneutics]] also seems to address questions about her age: "...a work that Bardway continued to this day in application to culinary and medical subjects. Because good lord, she's old. And still so sassy!" --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 08:49, 30 Sep 2005 (EDT)

	Incidentally, [[orthogonalities]] is not an in-play term, so it can't be used as an official citation. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)		Incidentally, [[orthogonalities]] is not an in-play term, so it can't be used as an official citation. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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	:In fact, there's [[Alezan Script]] that suggest she is still living in -5 EC too. But, take a look at [[Hermeneutics]], which seems to preempt your concern: " Because good lord, she's old. And still so sassy!" As for Ghyllian lifespans, yes, she does pose a bit of a problem: there has been no specific indication of how old a Ghyllian can get, but largely, it has been humanish. There are a few possibilities: a) she really <em>is</em> that old (and I'd include some comment about how much older she is than the <em>average</em> Ghyllian so we can resolve the longevity issue), b) there is more than one person named WCB - perhaps her daughter (does one exist? I dunno), c) she's discovered some way of increasing her lifespan immensely, perhaps from her own research, d) and the one I kinda like: see [[Ghoulwood viola]], which talks about Memories. Could she have become one? Could her work with the ghoulwood have imprinted her own memory onto the wood, and now she acts as a sort of muse (though "not intelligent, but vestigal repetitions of the past") to some grand player? This possibility goes a bit with a): her being so old strengthened her Memory in other people ("she's always been around, that there Wilhelmina"), which in turn empowers her being a Memory in her own invention: a ghoulwood instrument of some sort (a ghoulwood pencil? now that'd be interesting - would bring in ghostwriting). Going with that approach would place the real birth around Odgar IV (so that she'd really be alive to make the drawing), her very old (perhaps the oldest) age around -100 EC (perhaps it wasn't so much as "discovery" of ghoulwood, but a planned life-elongation principle), and her death shortly after - any further mention of her would be her Memory. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)		:In fact, there's [[Alezan Script]] that suggest she is still living in -5 EC too. But, take a look at [[Hermeneutics]], which seems to preempt your concern: " Because good lord, she's old. And still so sassy!" As for Ghyllian lifespans, yes, she does pose a bit of a problem: there has been no specific indication of how old a Ghyllian can get, but largely, it has been humanish. There are a few possibilities: a) she really <em>is</em> that old (and I'd include some comment about how much older she is than the <em>average</em> Ghyllian so we can resolve the longevity issue), b) there is more than one person named WCB - perhaps her daughter (does one exist? I dunno), c) she's discovered some way of increasing her lifespan immensely, perhaps from her own research, d) and the one I kinda like: see [[Ghoulwood viola]], which talks about Memories. Could she have become one? Could her work with the ghoulwood have imprinted her own memory onto the wood, and now she acts as a sort of muse (though "not intelligent, but vestigal repetitions of the past") to some grand player? This possibility goes a bit with a): her being so old strengthened her Memory in other people ("she's always been around, that there Wilhelmina"), which in turn empowers her being a Memory in her own invention: a ghoulwood instrument of some sort (a ghoulwood pencil? now that'd be interesting - would bring in ghostwriting). Going with that approach would place the real birth around Odgar IV (so that she'd really be alive to make the drawing), her very old (perhaps the oldest) age around -100 EC (perhaps it wasn't so much as "discovery" of ghoulwood, but a planned life-elongation principle), and her death shortly after - any further mention of her would be her Memory. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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		+	Incidentally, [[orthogonalities]] is not an in-play term, so it can't be used as an official citation. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)

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−	Got a question here. Wilhelmina Corinne Bardway is a key figure, the inventor of the SLM. I was trying to place her in time, and ran into a conflict. The [[Carsokian]] entry indicates that WCB made her discoveries in -100 [[EC]]. It also notes that she created the famous phaleros window at the Court of [[Odgar IV]]. But Odgar's court was from -266 to -239 (when he was defenestrated through said window).	+	Got a question here. Wilhelmina Corinne Bardway is a key figure, the inventor of the SLM. I was trying to place her in time, and ran into a conflict. The [[Carsokian]] entry indicates that WCB made her discoveries in -100 [[EC]]. It also notes that she created the famous phaleros window at the Court of [[Odgar IV]]. But Odgar's court was from -266 to -239 (when he was defenestrated through said window). No one has specifically stated anything about Ghyllian lifespan (or have i just missed it?). But they seem to correspond to human lifespans. WCB could be incredibly long-lived, I suppose. I'm not sure how to resolve this. What do you suggest? --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 16:52, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)

−	~~No one~~ has ~~specifically stated anything~~ about Ghyllian lifespan ~~(or~~ have ~~i just missed it~~?)~~. But they seem~~ to ~~correspond to human lifespans. WCB could~~ be ~~incredibly long~~-~~lived, I suppose~~.	+	:In fact, there's [[Alezan Script]] that suggest she is still living in -5 EC too. But, take a look at [[Hermeneutics]], which seems to preempt your concern: " Because good lord, she's old. And still so sassy!" As for Ghyllian lifespans, yes, she does pose a bit of a problem: there has been no specific indication of how old a Ghyllian can get, but largely, it has been humanish. There are a few possibilities: a) she really <em>is</em> that old (and I'd include some comment about how much older she is than the <em>average</em> Ghyllian so we can resolve the longevity issue), b) there is more than one person named WCB - perhaps her daughter (does one exist? I dunno), c) she's discovered some way of increasing her lifespan immensely, perhaps from her own research, d) and the one I kinda like: see [[Ghoulwood viola]], which talks about Memories. Could she have become one? Could her work with the ghoulwood have imprinted her own memory onto the wood, and now she acts as a sort of muse (though "not intelligent, but vestigal repetitions of the past") to some grand player? This possibility goes a bit with a): her being so old strengthened her Memory in other people ("she's always been around, that there Wilhelmina"), which in turn empowers her being a Memory in her own invention: a ghoulwood instrument of some sort (a ghoulwood pencil? now that'd be interesting - would bring in ghostwriting). Going with that approach would place the real birth around Odgar IV (so that she'd really be alive to make the drawing), her very old (perhaps the oldest) age around -100 EC (perhaps it wasn't so much as "discovery" of ghoulwood, but a planned life-elongation principle), and her death shortly after - any further mention of her would be her Memory. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 17:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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−	I'~~m not sure how~~ to ~~resolve this~~. ~~What do you suggest?~~ --[[User:~~Brother Arfrus~~\|~~Brother Arfrus~~]] 16:52, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)