Ghyll talk:Army of Whunn - Revision history

Morbus Iff: Whitespacing and ResolvedTalk.

2005-05-23T23:12:21Z

Whitespacing and ResolvedTalk.

Morbus Iff: No buts, Morbus.

2005-05-17T17:21:31Z

No buts, Morbus.

Morbus Iff: Commenting on the citations; no worries, no worries.

2005-05-17T16:49:07Z

Commenting on the citations; no worries, no worries.

Brother Arfrus at 16:25, 17 May 2005

2005-05-17T16:25:24Z

Jcowan: Only three citations!

2005-05-17T12:13:02Z

Only three citations!

Morbus Iff: Comments on dates, approximation, and history restriction.

2005-05-16T20:38:19Z

Comments on dates, approximation, and history restriction.

Nikos of Ant: date approximation

2005-05-16T20:07:22Z

date approximation

Brother Arfrus at 19:56, 16 May 2005

2005-05-16T19:56:27Z

Morbus Iff: Oh, and a slight rules violation. I love you, I swear!

2005-05-16T19:06:43Z

Oh, and a slight rules violation. I love you, I swear!

Morbus Iff: Explanation; Brother: needs your attention, please.

2005-05-16T19:04:33Z

Explanation; Brother: needs your attention, please.

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−	'''Only three citations are permitted.''' You can have as many links in the text to existing articles as seem useful, but you can only mention ''one'' existing article in the formal '''Citations:''' footer. --[[User:Jcowan\|John Cowan]] 08:13, 17 May 2005 (EDT)	+	{{ResolvedTalk}}
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−	:This was '''not''' clear at all. I took Rule 2 to be a ''minimum'', not an ''absolute''. The entry has now been brought into conformity. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 12:25, 17 May 2005 (EDT)
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−	::The '''Citations''' line/footer/appearance (the appearance/styling of which has nothing to do with the rules) is a stylistic standard only - it is (has been, should be) treated as "the important citations" - the two phantom citations, and the one existing citation that you feel is most .. . .. "important" for the entry itself (as opposed to the potentially unlimited number of inline citations you can use within your entry). This is strictly a Ghyll-only style - other Lexicon's do (and occasionally prefer) all inline citations to be placed at the bottom of the entry itself also. In the Ghyll Lexicon, the only "utterance" of this particular "house styling" is its widespread use throughout all the other pages - you'll notice that the Citations footer on all the Round 1 pages has only three, even though there could be dozens more inline. Its absense in any sort of "here's how to style your entry" is purely our fault. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 12:49, 17 May 2005 (EDT)
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−	I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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−	oOok. Did some investigation. The original -333 [[EC]] must have been some sort of error on my part, cos I can't find anything that would support that at all (and there's a 90% chance I added that date to the timeline). However, the dates of -400 EC for Bute's founding (and not -402 EC) ARE, however, factual, based on this line in [[Bute University]]: ''The buildings are mostly around 200 years of age, dating from its bicentennial; however the new science buildings have only recently been completed''. Since the buildings were recently completed at the date that entry was written (0 EC), Bute's 400th would have had to have been -400 [[EC]] (and its bicentennial -200) not -402 [[EC]]. This, in turn, affects the dates you've used for King Harandraff. So, there are one of two possibilities here: explain in your entry that the science buildings were completed EARLY (using your dates, they shouldn't be completed until 2 EC) or revise your dates to fit around the original -400 EC baseline. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:04, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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−	Oh, and one more thing (I'm not picking on you, I swear!) - Round 2 allows only ONE new phantom per turn, so you'll have to choose which of your two NEW phantoms you'd like to keep, and then work in an existing phantom somewhere. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:06, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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−	My bad. I was thinking it was two new phantoms. Lapernees is the lesser of the two, so I'll un-phantomize him and bring in another link as appropriate. As to the timeline, I took the date of -400 [[EC]] to be approximate ("<b>around</b> 200 years of age..."). If the -400 [[EC]] is exact, then, of course, my dates are off and should be revised accordingly. The Civil War lasted seven years [[Bute University]] "as the Kingdom now found itself in a Civil War. This war lasted seven long years..." so the end date correction to -392 [[EC]] is closer than the original -333. Not feeling picked on at all. Let me know if the -400 [[EC]] date is absolute, or if my interpretation was reasonable, and I'll continue accordingly. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 15:56, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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−	:just to add my two cents... I also took -400 as an approximation due to the word "around". I know i saw somewhere that anything older than 100 years is of shakey timeline credibility... that's why we cranky scholars have grist with which to argue! adding the word "circa" to ''certain'' old dates can allow writers to put in a number and a train of thought regarding their timeline ideas while giving other writers the ability to still argue their own interpretation of that timeline. --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 16:07, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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−	::Well, the key text is emphasized/italicized above: the science buildings were completed at the time the entry was written, which was 0 EC. If that's the case, and major new projects are completed every bicentenial (also per the original text of [[Bute University]], which I've not fully snippeted above), then there's no "around" or approximation: it's definitely -400 EC. Largely speaking, only dates on the timeline that say "circa" should be fooled around with (not that I'm accusing Arfrus of "fooling around", of course), or other dates that have no specific point in history (your "around", "soon after", etc. - even "-3 EC" could be expanded to a more specific "-3/5/21 EC"). In this case, however, there WAS a bit of text that firmly nailed the date (through inference) to an exact point. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 16:38, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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−	::And, your recollection is correct: there WAS, long ago, an edict that scholars should stray from creating entries that referred to dates so long ago, but that was largely because there was a strong lack of cohesion being created, merely different pockets of time that were hard to relate to other pockets of time. That restriction has largely (and lately) been unenforced, as it hasn't proved to be much of a problem with the (now) large amount of text available. It was a much bigger issue in the early game. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 16:38, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

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 :This was '''not''' clear at all.  I took Rule 2 to be a ''minimum'', not an ''absolute''.  The entry has now been brought into conformity. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:25, 17 May 2005 (EDT)
-::The '''Citations''' line/footer/appearance (the appearance/styling of which has nothing to do with the rules) is a stylistic standard only - it is (has been, should be) treated as "the important citations" - the two phantom citations, and the one existing citation that you feel is most .. . .. "important" for the entry itself (as opposed to the potentially unlimited number of inline citations you can use within your entry). This is strictly a Ghyll-only style - other Lexicon's do (and occasionally prefer) all inline citations to be placed at the bottom of the entry itself also. In the Ghyll Lexicon, the only "utterance" of this particular "house styling" is its widespread use throughout all the other pages - you'll notice that the Citations footer on all the Round 1 pages has only three, even though there could be dozens more inline. Its absense in any sort of "here's how to style your entry" is purely our fault, but  --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 12:49, 17 May 2005 (EDT)
+::The '''Citations''' line/footer/appearance (the appearance/styling of which has nothing to do with the rules) is a stylistic standard only - it is (has been, should be) treated as "the important citations" - the two phantom citations, and the one existing citation that you feel is most .. . .. "important" for the entry itself (as opposed to the potentially unlimited number of inline citations you can use within your entry). This is strictly a Ghyll-only style - other Lexicon's do (and occasionally prefer) all inline citations to be placed at the bottom of the entry itself also. In the Ghyll Lexicon, the only "utterance" of this particular "house styling" is its widespread use throughout all the other pages - you'll notice that the Citations footer on all the Round 1 pages has only three, even though there could be dozens more inline. Its absense in any sort of "here's how to style your entry" is purely our fault. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 12:49, 17 May 2005 (EDT)
 I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

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	:This was '''not''' clear at all. I took Rule 2 to be a ''minimum'', not an ''absolute''. The entry has now been brought into conformity. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 12:25, 17 May 2005 (EDT)		:This was '''not''' clear at all. I took Rule 2 to be a ''minimum'', not an ''absolute''. The entry has now been brought into conformity. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 12:25, 17 May 2005 (EDT)
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		+	::The '''Citations''' line/footer/appearance (the appearance/styling of which has nothing to do with the rules) is a stylistic standard only - it is (has been, should be) treated as "the important citations" - the two phantom citations, and the one existing citation that you feel is most .. . .. "important" for the entry itself (as opposed to the potentially unlimited number of inline citations you can use within your entry). This is strictly a Ghyll-only style - other Lexicon's do (and occasionally prefer) all inline citations to be placed at the bottom of the entry itself also. In the Ghyll Lexicon, the only "utterance" of this particular "house styling" is its widespread use throughout all the other pages - you'll notice that the Citations footer on all the Round 1 pages has only three, even though there could be dozens more inline. Its absense in any sort of "here's how to style your entry" is purely our fault, but --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 12:49, 17 May 2005 (EDT)

	I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)		I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

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	'''Only three citations are permitted.''' You can have as many links in the text to existing articles as seem useful, but you can only mention ''one'' existing article in the formal '''Citations:''' footer. --[[User:Jcowan\|John Cowan]] 08:13, 17 May 2005 (EDT)		'''Only three citations are permitted.''' You can have as many links in the text to existing articles as seem useful, but you can only mention ''one'' existing article in the formal '''Citations:''' footer. --[[User:Jcowan\|John Cowan]] 08:13, 17 May 2005 (EDT)
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		+	:This was '''not''' clear at all. I took Rule 2 to be a ''minimum'', not an ''absolute''. The entry has now been brought into conformity. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 12:25, 17 May 2005 (EDT)

	I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)		I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

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		+	'''Only three citations are permitted.''' You can have as many links in the text to existing articles as seem useful, but you can only mention ''one'' existing article in the formal '''Citations:''' footer. --[[User:Jcowan\|John Cowan]] 08:13, 17 May 2005 (EDT)
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	I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)		I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

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 Oh, and one more thing (I'm not picking on you, I swear!) - Round 2 allows only ONE new phantom per turn, so you'll have to choose which of your two NEW phantoms you'd like to keep, and then work in an existing phantom somewhere. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:06, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
-As to the timeline, I took the date of -400 [[EC]] to be approximate ("<b>around</b> 200 years of age...").  If the -400 [[EC]] is exact, then, of course, my dates are off and should be revised accordingly.  The Civil War lasted seven years [[Bute University]] "as the Kingdom now found itself in a Civil War. This war lasted seven long years..." so the end date correction to -392 [[EC]] is closer than the original -333.
+My bad.  I was thinking it was two new phantoms.  Lapernees is the lesser of the two, so I'll un-phantomize him and bring in another link as appropriate. As to the timeline, I took the date of -400 [[EC]] to be approximate ("<b>around</b> 200 years of age...").  If the -400 [[EC]] is exact, then, of course, my dates are off and should be revised accordingly.  The Civil War lasted seven years [[Bute University]] "as the Kingdom now found itself in a Civil War. This war lasted seven long years..." so the end date correction to -392 [[EC]] is closer than the original -333. Not feeling picked on at all.  Let me know if the -400 [[EC]] date is absolute, or if my interpretation was reasonable, and I'll continue accordingly.  --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 15:56, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
-Not feeling picked on at all.  Let me know if the -400 [[EC]] date is absolute, or if my interpretation was reasonable, and I'll continue accordingly.  --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 15:56, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
+:just to add my two cents... I also took -400 as an approximation due to the word "around".  I know i saw somewhere that anything older than 100 years is of shakey timeline credibility... that's why we cranky scholars have grist with which to argue!  adding the word "circa" to ''certain'' old dates can allow writers to put in a number and a train of thought regarding their timeline ideas while giving other writers the ability to still argue their own interpretation of that timeline. --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 16:07, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
-::just to add my two cents... I also took -400 as an approximation due to the word "around".  I know i saw somewhere that anything older than 100 years is of shakey timeline credibility... that's why we cranky scholars have grist with which to argue!  adding the word "circa" to ''certain'' old dates can allow writers to put in a number and a train of thought regarding their timeline ideas while giving other writers the ability to still argue their own interpretation of that timeline.  --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 16:07, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
+::Well, the key text is emphasized/italicized above: the science buildings were completed at the time the entry was written, which was 0 EC. If that's the case, and major new projects are completed every bicentenial (also per the original text of [[Bute University]], which I've not fully snippeted above), then there's no "around" or approximation: it's definitely -400 EC. Largely speaking, only dates on the timeline that say "circa" should be fooled around with (not that I'm accusing Arfrus of "fooling around", of course), or other dates that have no specific point in history (your "around", "soon after", etc. - even "-3 EC" could be expanded to a more specific "-3/5/21 EC"). In this case, however, there WAS a bit of text that firmly nailed the date (through inference) to an exact point. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:38, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

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	Not feeling picked on at all. Let me know if the -400 [[EC]] date is absolute, or if my interpretation was reasonable, and I'll continue accordingly. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 15:56, 16 May 2005 (EDT)		Not feeling picked on at all. Let me know if the -400 [[EC]] date is absolute, or if my interpretation was reasonable, and I'll continue accordingly. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 15:56, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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		+	::just to add my two cents... I also took -400 as an approximation due to the word "around". I know i saw somewhere that anything older than 100 years is of shakey timeline credibility... that's why we cranky scholars have grist with which to argue! adding the word "circa" to ''certain'' old dates can allow writers to put in a number and a train of thought regarding their timeline ideas while giving other writers the ability to still argue their own interpretation of that timeline. --[[User:Nikos of Ant\|Nikos of Ant]] 16:07, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

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	Oh, and one more thing (I'm not picking on you, I swear!) - Round 2 allows only ONE new phantom per turn, so you'll have to choose which of your two NEW phantoms you'd like to keep, and then work in an existing phantom somewhere. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:06, 16 May 2005 (EDT)		Oh, and one more thing (I'm not picking on you, I swear!) - Round 2 allows only ONE new phantom per turn, so you'll have to choose which of your two NEW phantoms you'd like to keep, and then work in an existing phantom somewhere. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:06, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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		+	My bad. I was thinking it was two new phantoms. Lapernees is the lesser of the two, so I'll un-phantomize him and bring in another link as appropriate.
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		+	As to the timeline, I took the date of -400 [[EC]] to be approximate ("<b>around</b> 200 years of age..."). If the -400 [[EC]] is exact, then, of course, my dates are off and should be revised accordingly. The Civil War lasted seven years [[Bute University]] "as the Kingdom now found itself in a Civil War. This war lasted seven long years..." so the end date correction to -392 [[EC]] is closer than the original -333.
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		+	Not feeling picked on at all. Let me know if the -400 [[EC]] date is absolute, or if my interpretation was reasonable, and I'll continue accordingly. --[[User:Brother Arfrus\|Brother Arfrus]] 15:56, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

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	oOok. Did some investigation. The original -333 [[EC]] must have been some sort of error on my part, cos I can't find anything that would support that at all (and there's a 90% chance I added that date to the timeline). However, the dates of -400 EC for Bute's founding (and not -402 EC) ARE, however, factual, based on this line in [[Bute University]]: ''The buildings are mostly around 200 years of age, dating from its bicentennial; however the new science buildings have only recently been completed''. Since the buildings were recently completed at the date that entry was written (0 EC), Bute's 400th would have had to have been -400 [[EC]] (and its bicentennial -200) not -402 [[EC]]. This, in turn, affects the dates you've used for King Harandraff. So, there are one of two possibilities here: explain in your entry that the science buildings were completed EARLY (using your dates, they shouldn't be completed until 2 EC) or revise your dates to fit around the original -400 EC baseline. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:04, 16 May 2005 (EDT)		oOok. Did some investigation. The original -333 [[EC]] must have been some sort of error on my part, cos I can't find anything that would support that at all (and there's a 90% chance I added that date to the timeline). However, the dates of -400 EC for Bute's founding (and not -402 EC) ARE, however, factual, based on this line in [[Bute University]]: ''The buildings are mostly around 200 years of age, dating from its bicentennial; however the new science buildings have only recently been completed''. Since the buildings were recently completed at the date that entry was written (0 EC), Bute's 400th would have had to have been -400 [[EC]] (and its bicentennial -200) not -402 [[EC]]. This, in turn, affects the dates you've used for King Harandraff. So, there are one of two possibilities here: explain in your entry that the science buildings were completed EARLY (using your dates, they shouldn't be completed until 2 EC) or revise your dates to fit around the original -400 EC baseline. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:04, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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		+	Oh, and one more thing (I'm not picking on you, I swear!) - Round 2 allows only ONE new phantom per turn, so you'll have to choose which of your two NEW phantoms you'd like to keep, and then work in an existing phantom somewhere. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:06, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

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	I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)		I'm trying to find the original reference to the date of -333 [[EC]] ("the Civil War against [[King Harandraff the Great]] ends; entire family tree dead"), which you've since changed to -392 [[EC]]. Can you help me out? Where was the original fact of -333 and why did it need to be changed? EDIT: Incidentally, the timeline is intended for facts FROM ENTRIES, not for new facts all by themselves (with no reference in the text). If -392 [[EC]] is the real date (now), then it needs to be referred in your entry somewhere (or elsewhere in someone else's entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 14:52, 16 May 2005 (EDT)
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		+	oOok. Did some investigation. The original -333 [[EC]] must have been some sort of error on my part, cos I can't find anything that would support that at all (and there's a 90% chance I added that date to the timeline). However, the dates of -400 EC for Bute's founding (and not -402 EC) ARE, however, factual, based on this line in [[Bute University]]: ''The buildings are mostly around 200 years of age, dating from its bicentennial; however the new science buildings have only recently been completed''. Since the buildings were recently completed at the date that entry was written (0 EC), Bute's 400th would have had to have been -400 [[EC]] (and its bicentennial -200) not -402 [[EC]]. This, in turn, affects the dates you've used for King Harandraff. So, there are one of two possibilities here: explain in your entry that the science buildings were completed EARLY (using your dates, they shouldn't be completed until 2 EC) or revise your dates to fit around the original -400 EC baseline. --[[User:Morbus Iff\|Morbus Iff]] 15:04, 16 May 2005 (EDT)