https://www.disobey.com/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Theophenes&feedformat=atomDisobiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T12:48:25ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.33.0https://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Djiknax_Creation_Manuscripts&diff=23729Ghyll:Djiknax Creation Manuscripts2005-06-15T23:58:33Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>:''Teh huor of dooom is upon us all! Sargewoold Pedresq, yor mothre is s a nincomppoop!''<br />
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And so began the greatest scholarly conflict in recent memory. This single sentence, poorly spelled but mercifully free of green-grocer's apostrophe's, sparked debate among everyone from the most respected [[Hive-Lord]] to the simplest nincompoops when it was first decoded. And with this sentence, the '''Djiknax Creation Manuscripts''' have risen from an obscure account of [[Creator|creation legends]] to the very epicenter of a scholarly ghyllquake. To date, more than 38 articles have been published in [[Quester and Phorrus]] concerning the manuscripts.<br />
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The documents themselves were written by an unknown (and rather guilt-stricken, judging from the amount of material on the [[Looliers]]) [[Exingians|Exingian]] scribe in approximately -320 [[EC]]. The manuscripts are comprised of about thirty pages of handwritten parchment, including two title pages and one page entirely written over with a phrase that translates to "Hello, world." Since the scholars of the [[Bureau of Forgotten Knowledge]] have proven that each instance of this phrase was written with a different quill, many currently believe that this page was just used for testing nibs.<br />
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Although the manuscripts were first unearthed in -73 [[EC]] by the young [[Rancticirchiretic]], he kept them in his private collection until -56 [[EC]] when he became president of the [[Bureau of Forgotten Knowledge]]. Thereupon, he turned the papers over to the regular pool of scholars and thought nothing of it until the [[Folktown Records]] published the headline "Djiknax Creation Hides Your Destruction: Teh huor of dooom is upon us all!" and Rancticirchiretic nearly choked on his breakfast. It turned out that a couple of interns from [[Bute University]] had decided to try [[Ibann Malmiz|Ser Malmiz's]] [[Clamorxian Decoding Method]] on the manuscripts as a lark, and had discovered the fateful sentence that was to mark scholarly history.<br />
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Various scholars, including a number of eminent encyclopedists, have proposed various explanations for the phrase. Many subscribe to the popular, but completely improbable, theory that claims that ''tehhuoro fdooom'' is some sort of "dark god" from "''Out There''" (italics most definitely not mine). As [[Blivingdel]] has so conclusively shown in issue XII of the [[Collegium Civitas|Collegium Civitas' Library Journal]], the dark god from '''Out There''' is named tehhuoro fdoooooooom, where each 'o' represents a significant aspect or trait of said god. Hence the spelling "tehhuoro fdooom" not only indicates a completely different, and up until now unheard of, god, it also indicates a god with not nearly enough power to actually make good on fulfilling the rest of the prophecy. <br />
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While many scholars, cowed by [[Blivingdel]]'s unquestionable refutation of the dark god hypothesis, prefer to denounce the whole Djiknax Manuscripts find as "utter [[splak]]king hogwash," others realize that the true message of the manuscript lies in the ineffable number 4274049, which was also turned up in the [[Clamorxian Decoding Method|Clamorxian decoding]] of the document. This number, sent to us from on high, is the true name of the [[Nitenmangrey]] god [[Theoarcheology|whose cranium forms]] the [[Sarfelogian Mountains]]. Unfortunately, this god has so long been associated with the arbitrary 47 that even multiple public-awareness campaigns and protests at [[Bute University]] have proven of little avail in recognizing the poor god's correct number.<br />
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Nevertheless, the public exposure has resulted in a widespread familiarity with the Djaknax Creation Manuscripts and the controversey surrounding them, even among the [[lay public]]. In fact, a recent installation in the [[Zaprosingfrink Gallery]] by a group of artists from the [[NeoPostAncientism|NeoPostAncientist]] school incorporated the fatal phrase "teh huor of dooom is upon us all!" written several thousand times in various substances and was signed "Sargewoold Pedresq's mothre."<br />
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--[[User:Lady Aleksandra Quininery|Lady Aleksandra]] 16:53, 10 Jun 2005 (EDT)<br />
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'''Citations''': [[Clamorxian Decoding Method]], [[Collegium Civitas]], [[Lay public]].<br />
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[[Category:Texts]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Cornover_Reflex_Syndrome&diff=23388Ghyll:Cornover Reflex Syndrome2005-06-03T01:21:35Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>Cornover Reflex Syndrome, Also known as the Weeby Jeeby Calezone Syndrome, is a phenomenon commonly (but rarely the actual cause, at least in the eyes of leading [[Occultologists]]) associated with the place-switching of Pinky and Perky. This irregularity is most commonly believed to be caused by any minute lapse in celestial alignment with explosive consequences to calculations of [[Speedish Chefs]] by large. The first known event occurred in -201 [[EC]] when the speedish Chef Heinrich [[Cornover Family|Cornover]] was attempting to bake a highly powerful Calezone made with [[Zhur Fruit]] extract. The Articulary motion of the planets suddenly changed the theoalchemical fuel circuits in his stove, causing them to turn the calezone into a living thing. The calezone show no signs of life or Alchemical Intelligence until he was served, and then proceeded to scream in pain and swear repatedly when poked with a fork. He then exploded into a pile of [[Aliens Everywhere|Brown Fluid]]. The calezone's remains were found to have developed several male internal organs, hence the use of the term "he." The rumors about his insulting the chef and then counting down before he blew up were not verifiable. One local poet ([[Algothequinas]], -237[[EC]] to -97[[EC]]) recounts the tale as such:<br />
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"Oh the Calezone did weeble, the intestine did Jeeble,<br />
The Zhur fruit did wobble and sway,<br />
Thus Cornover 'Twas cursed, like a sausage bratwurst,<br />
As the meat did ne'er fly far away.<br />
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There have since been seven hundreds other reports of Cornover syndrome, None of which having to do with the [[Cornover Family]]. Heinrieich, sadly, swore off cooking and later threw himself into a river. His talent was an exceptional loss because of one fluke. The cooking world now calls any major disaster involving the culinary arts as "Cornover's Curse," but the actual technical term "syndrome" is only applied to the reanimation of food meant to be dead.<br />
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Citations: [[Algothequinas]], [[Cornover Family]],[[Speedish Chefs]].<br />
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--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 21:13, 2 Jun 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Cornover_Reflex_Syndrome&diff=23387Ghyll:Cornover Reflex Syndrome2005-06-03T01:20:09Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>Cornover Reflex Syndrome, Also known as the Weeby Jeeby Calezone Syndrome, is a phenomenon commonly (but rarely the actual cause, at least in the eyes of leading [[Occultologists]]) associated with the place-switching of Pinky and Perky. This irregularity is most commonly believed to be caused by any minute lapse in celestial alignment with explosive consequences to calculations of [[Speedish Chefs]] by large. The first known event occurred in -201 [[EC]] when the speedish Chef Heinrich [[Cornover|Cornover Family]] was attempting to bake a highly powerful Calezone made with [[Zhur Fruit]] extract. The Articulary motion of the planets suddenly changed the theoalchemical fuel circuits in his stove, causing them to turn the calezone into a living thing. The calezone show no signs of life or Alchemical Intelligence until he was served, and then proceeded to scream in pain and swear repatedly when poked with a fork. He then exploded into a pile of [[Brown Fluid|Aliens Everywhere]]. The calezone's remains were found to have developed several male internal organs, hence the use of the term "he." The rumors about his insulting the chef and then counting down before he blew up were not verifiable. One local poet ([[Algothequinas]], -237[[EC]] to -97[[EC]]) recounts the tale as such:<br />
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"Oh the Calezone did weeble, the intestine did Jeeble,<br />
The Zhur fruit did wobble and sway,<br />
Thus Cornover 'Twas cursed, like a sausage bratwurst,<br />
As the meat did ne'er fly far away.<br />
<br />
There have since been seven hundreds other reports of Cornover syndrome, None of which having to do with the [[Cornover Family]]. Heinrieich, sadly, swore off cooking and later threw himself into a river. His talent was an exceptional loss because of one fluke. The cooking world now calls any major disaster involving the culinary arts as "Cornover's Curse," but the actual technical term "syndrome" is only applied to the reanimation of food meant to be dead.<br />
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Citations: [[Algothequinas]], [[Cornover Family]],[[Speedish Chefs]].<br />
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--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 21:13, 2 Jun 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Cornover_Reflex_Syndrome&diff=23386Ghyll:Cornover Reflex Syndrome2005-06-03T01:13:34Z<p>Theophenes: Aha!</p>
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<div>Cornover Reflex Syndrome, Also known as the Weeby Jeeby Calezone Syndrome, is a phenomenon commonly (but rarely the actual cause, at least in the eyes of leading [Occultologists]) associated with the place-switching of Pinky and Perky. This irregularity is most commonly believed to be caused by any minute lapse in celestial alignment with explosive consequences to calculations of [Speedish Chefs] by large. The first known event occurred in -201 [EC] when the speedish Chef Heinrich [Cornover|Cornover Family] was attempting to bake a highly powerful Calezone made with [Zhur Fruit] extract. The Articulary motion of the planets suddenly changed the theoalchemical fuel circuits in his stove, causing them to turn the calezone into a living thing. The calezone show no signs of life or Alchemical Intelligence until he was served, and then proceeded to scream in pain and swear repatedly when poked with a fork. He then exploded into a pile of [Brown Fluid|Aliens Everywhere]. The calezone's remains were found to have developed several male internal organs, hence the use of the term "he." The rumors about his insulting the chef and then counting down before he blew up were not verifiable. One local poet ([Algothequinas], -237[EC] to -97[EC]) recounts the tale as such:<br />
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"Oh the Calezone did weeble, the intestine did Jeeble,<br />
The Zhur fruit did wobble and sway,<br />
Thus Cornover 'Twas cursed, like a sausage bratwurst,<br />
As the meat did ne'er fly far away.<br />
<br />
There have since been seven hundreds other reports of Cornover syndrome, None of which having to do with the [Cornover Family]. Heinrieich, sadly, swore off cooking and later threw himself into a river. His talent was an exceptional loss because of one fluke. The cooking world now calls any major disaster involving the culinary arts as "Cornover's Curse," but the actual technical term "syndrome" is only applied to the reanimation of food meant to be dead.<br />
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Citations: [Algothequinas], [Coronover Family],[Speedish Chefs].<br />
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--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 21:13, 2 Jun 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Cornover_Reflex_Syndrome&diff=23385Ghyll:Cornover Reflex Syndrome2005-05-29T04:52:30Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>Dibbed! O frajous day!</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Encyclopedants_Progress_Report_26&diff=24403Ghyll:Encyclopedants Progress Report 262005-05-09T23:39:10Z<p>Theophenes: /* Dr. H. L. Ackroyd */</p>
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'''The Encyclopedants''' is a term applied to the small group of individuals who decided a collection of Ghyll intellect, in written and distributed form, was necessary for the bettering of society, as well as the benefit of future historians. The group now presides over the encyclopedia's integrity and "cohesion of vision". To remain an objective judge, the Encyclopedants attempt to focus only on "the facts as we're told them", asking questions, poking holes, and suggesting "standards" to further quality assurance. These Progress Reports are considered official communication between the Encyclopedants and their Scholars, and they encourage others to write their own thoughts and comments into the margins.<br />
<br />
==Whither Our Dropped Mandibles?==<br />
One year ago as we, the Encyclopedants, put out a call for contributors to a new collection of knowledge, we never expected to reach this, the end of the Encyclopedia's first draft. Even now, as our editors diligently wrangle the wealth of text into a shape suitable for mass consumption and printing for your peers, we realize that a Second Edition is uncontestable: there is simply so much more to discover, uncover and, in the case of the [[Bureau of Recovered Knowledge]], recover. While a number of our regular scholars have signed on for the expanded Second Edition, we're quite pleased to see new fingers anxious to catalog the intellect that, until now, has been spread only across the minds of all.<br />
<br />
This Encyclopedia is not without hazard, though. Besides the [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer]] incident (which has been thankfully settled), there have been numerous (and sometimes begrudgingly successful) attempts to sabotage, clarify, [[Council for Quezlarian Research|censor]], or corrupt entire parts of your work. Some knowledge transferred [[Altoxian Bulb|none too cleanly]]. Still, throughout it all, our editors and copywriters persevered ''(And sometimes not very willingly! --Burgengute)'', delivering a completed work that has no equal. While we all pat our own carapaces' here, we'd like to give our scholars a chance to state their opinions on our first yearly journey. But be prepared! We'll be accepting entries for the Second Draft within a scant few weeks, so don't go overboard on the <strike>[[Adlorst Vinifera|Adlorst]]</strike> [[Winelust Syrup]]. ''(That wasn't me. --Burgengute)''<br />
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==Scholar Reports==<br />
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===Morbus Iff===<br />
Were my "esteemed" colleagues [[yesticale worms]], I fear it quite impossible to prevent a regression to my youth of squishing and squashing, if only to replace their [[Cranee Historical Society|bilious permanence]] to the somber and shortlived sound of my wood-living friends. Many times did I [[New Year's Day|partake]] in [[Ghoulwood viola|distracting pleasures]] merely to submit my work to a project I foresee down a [[Cataract Road|waterfall]] of furious malcontent. I digress. Whilst my nerves have been grated small enough such as to be forever ungrateful, this encyclopedia has proven a welcome and light distraction from my search for the [[User:Morbus Iff|fluid source]]. It, and the mysteries since recorded, continue to pique my oblique, and for that I will remain.<br />
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===Sean B. Palmer===<br />
I really don't think it's possible to top the fluidity, the magnanimousity of poetic warmth and prosodic rigour that was imbued into my T through Z entries; I'm sure they're quite simply Ghyll-changing in their calibre to such an extent that it may spark off that which I wrote about in them calling a "renaissance". I really hope that at least one copy of these entries gets through to the editors' office some day. I'd also like to apologise for the grumpiness of my brother, Morbus Iff, but the brown goo really was putrid, and if you've ever had his oblique foisted on you in the dark you'd know why it's always piqued.<br />
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: How I pine for words to adequately describe the Sneer King whom has graced my composure! Brother? Ha! I eschewed the bonds of your creation many Perks ago. I also suspect a fair amount of disgusted, and unpaid for, eschewing from the [[TransAvian]] tasked with bringing your "entries" to the editors. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:01, 29 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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===Theophenes===<br />
Despite my relatively new emergence onto the actual task of writing, I watched with fervor and interest almost from the very beginning, when the subject of Andelphracian Lights was being yanked off the presses. I believe that we are accomplishing the mission of adequately and accurately recording events to create a simpled collective view of our world. but isn't that what an encyclopedia is for?--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:03, 7 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
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===Trousle Undrhil===<br />
I, too, am a relatively new addition to the scholarly bunch, but I feel that the encyclopedia is becoming what it was meant to be. Over time, more knowledge shall be gleaned and added to this work in progress and we shall know even more than we do now! Isn't it wonderful? This marvelous search for knowledge. I am still in the process of working out the problems with my current system of measures (which are not actual measures - more like guidelines) and which might appear in this encyclopedia one day in the future. I complete this entry on the note that we are all still learning and if ever anyone feels that he/she has learned everything, they should be hard at work filling out encyclopedia entries for the rest of us to catch up to them!--[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 03:20, 8 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
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===John Cowan===<br />
I sincerely hope that I'll be able to write up my conclusions on the little-understood subject of justification by faith this time. In general, however, I believe that the first draft was as much of a success as anything of that kind deserves to be. Onward and upward with more about our wondrous world of Ghyll! --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 21:06, 8 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
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===Dr. H. L. Ackroyd===<br />
Having been engaged in successful writing prior to this almost purely mechanical endeavor, I cannot help but marvel at the way in which it has been elevated to art by no less august presences than my fellow scholars. And by art, I mean to say that it is open to the wildest and most fanciful of interpretations and is devoid of factual content (with the exception of my own brilliant contributions of course) as almost all art can be. As with some art, one cannot argue that an arrangement of [[Zhur Fruit]] in a bowl is anything but an arrangement of [[Zhur Fruit]] in this case the results are somewhat more abstract, and as entertainment for the masses will extend well into the far-flung future as a prime example of its medium. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 13:11, 8 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:A bowl of [[Zhur Fruit]] is not good for still life paintings, it rots too fast. I covered that, thank you very much, and I'll have you know that we are quite factual, we just happen to have a sense of humor under our carapace (unlike some amongst the crowd), and damn strong adeagea as well. --[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 19:38, 9 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
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==Round 1 Statistics==<br />
At the end of Round 1 there are a total of 219 article pages visible on [[Special:Allpages]], of which one is the [[Main Page]], 15 belong to the special [[:Category:Encyclopedants|Encyclopedants]] category, 4 belong to the special [[:Category:Lexicon|Lexicon]] category, and 9 are #REDIRECTS. That leaves a total of 190 actual Ghyll Encyclopedia articles, of which 65 have appeared as [[Round 1 Spotlights|spotlights]] on the [[Main Page]].<br />
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There are 116 users in the user list, of which 46 have at least minimal user pages. Of these, 32 have actually contributed articles. (This includes [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]], who doesn't exist in real life.) --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:17, 26 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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<br /><div align="right"><big><strong>--The Encyclopedants</strong></big></div><br />
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[[Category:Encyclopedants]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Encyclopedants_Progress_Report_26&diff=24402Ghyll:Encyclopedants Progress Report 262005-05-09T23:38:07Z<p>Theophenes: /* Dr. H. L. Ackroyd */</p>
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<div>__TOC__<br />
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'''The Encyclopedants''' is a term applied to the small group of individuals who decided a collection of Ghyll intellect, in written and distributed form, was necessary for the bettering of society, as well as the benefit of future historians. The group now presides over the encyclopedia's integrity and "cohesion of vision". To remain an objective judge, the Encyclopedants attempt to focus only on "the facts as we're told them", asking questions, poking holes, and suggesting "standards" to further quality assurance. These Progress Reports are considered official communication between the Encyclopedants and their Scholars, and they encourage others to write their own thoughts and comments into the margins.<br />
<br />
==Whither Our Dropped Mandibles?==<br />
One year ago as we, the Encyclopedants, put out a call for contributors to a new collection of knowledge, we never expected to reach this, the end of the Encyclopedia's first draft. Even now, as our editors diligently wrangle the wealth of text into a shape suitable for mass consumption and printing for your peers, we realize that a Second Edition is uncontestable: there is simply so much more to discover, uncover and, in the case of the [[Bureau of Recovered Knowledge]], recover. While a number of our regular scholars have signed on for the expanded Second Edition, we're quite pleased to see new fingers anxious to catalog the intellect that, until now, has been spread only across the minds of all.<br />
<br />
This Encyclopedia is not without hazard, though. Besides the [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer]] incident (which has been thankfully settled), there have been numerous (and sometimes begrudgingly successful) attempts to sabotage, clarify, [[Council for Quezlarian Research|censor]], or corrupt entire parts of your work. Some knowledge transferred [[Altoxian Bulb|none too cleanly]]. Still, throughout it all, our editors and copywriters persevered ''(And sometimes not very willingly! --Burgengute)'', delivering a completed work that has no equal. While we all pat our own carapaces' here, we'd like to give our scholars a chance to state their opinions on our first yearly journey. But be prepared! We'll be accepting entries for the Second Draft within a scant few weeks, so don't go overboard on the <strike>[[Adlorst Vinifera|Adlorst]]</strike> [[Winelust Syrup]]. ''(That wasn't me. --Burgengute)''<br />
<br />
==Scholar Reports==<br />
<br />
===Morbus Iff===<br />
Were my "esteemed" colleagues [[yesticale worms]], I fear it quite impossible to prevent a regression to my youth of squishing and squashing, if only to replace their [[Cranee Historical Society|bilious permanence]] to the somber and shortlived sound of my wood-living friends. Many times did I [[New Year's Day|partake]] in [[Ghoulwood viola|distracting pleasures]] merely to submit my work to a project I foresee down a [[Cataract Road|waterfall]] of furious malcontent. I digress. Whilst my nerves have been grated small enough such as to be forever ungrateful, this encyclopedia has proven a welcome and light distraction from my search for the [[User:Morbus Iff|fluid source]]. It, and the mysteries since recorded, continue to pique my oblique, and for that I will remain.<br />
<br />
===Sean B. Palmer===<br />
I really don't think it's possible to top the fluidity, the magnanimousity of poetic warmth and prosodic rigour that was imbued into my T through Z entries; I'm sure they're quite simply Ghyll-changing in their calibre to such an extent that it may spark off that which I wrote about in them calling a "renaissance". I really hope that at least one copy of these entries gets through to the editors' office some day. I'd also like to apologise for the grumpiness of my brother, Morbus Iff, but the brown goo really was putrid, and if you've ever had his oblique foisted on you in the dark you'd know why it's always piqued.<br />
<br />
: How I pine for words to adequately describe the Sneer King whom has graced my composure! Brother? Ha! I eschewed the bonds of your creation many Perks ago. I also suspect a fair amount of disgusted, and unpaid for, eschewing from the [[TransAvian]] tasked with bringing your "entries" to the editors. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:01, 29 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
<br />
===Theophenes===<br />
Despite my relatively new emergence onto the actual task of writing, I watched with fervor and interest almost from the very beginning, when the subject of Andelphracian Lights was being yanked off the presses. I believe that we are accomplishing the mission of adequately and accurately recording events to create a simpled collective view of our world. but isn't that what an encyclopedia is for?--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:03, 7 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
<br />
===Trousle Undrhil===<br />
I, too, am a relatively new addition to the scholarly bunch, but I feel that the encyclopedia is becoming what it was meant to be. Over time, more knowledge shall be gleaned and added to this work in progress and we shall know even more than we do now! Isn't it wonderful? This marvelous search for knowledge. I am still in the process of working out the problems with my current system of measures (which are not actual measures - more like guidelines) and which might appear in this encyclopedia one day in the future. I complete this entry on the note that we are all still learning and if ever anyone feels that he/she has learned everything, they should be hard at work filling out encyclopedia entries for the rest of us to catch up to them!--[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 03:20, 8 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
<br />
===John Cowan===<br />
I sincerely hope that I'll be able to write up my conclusions on the little-understood subject of justification by faith this time. In general, however, I believe that the first draft was as much of a success as anything of that kind deserves to be. Onward and upward with more about our wondrous world of Ghyll! --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 21:06, 8 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
<br />
===Dr. H. L. Ackroyd===<br />
Having been engaged in successful writing prior to this almost purely mechanical endeavor, I cannot help but marvel at the way in which it has been elevated to art by no less august presences than my fellow scholars. And by art, I mean to say that it is open to the wildest and most fanciful of interpretations and is devoid of factual content (with the exception of my own brilliant contributions of course) as almost all art can be. As with some art, one cannot argue that an arrangement of [[Zhur Fruit]] in a bowl is anything but an arrangement of [[Zhur Fruit]] in this case the results are somewhat more abstract, and as entertainment for the masses will extend well into the far-flung future as a prime example of its medium. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 13:11, 8 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:A bowl of [[Zhur Fruit]] is not good for still life paintings, it dies too fast. I covered that, thank you much, and I'll have you know that we are quite factual, we just happen to have a sense of humor under our carapace, and damn trong adeagea as well. --[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 19:38, 9 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
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==Round 1 Statistics==<br />
At the end of Round 1 there are a total of 219 article pages visible on [[Special:Allpages]], of which one is the [[Main Page]], 15 belong to the special [[:Category:Encyclopedants|Encyclopedants]] category, 4 belong to the special [[:Category:Lexicon|Lexicon]] category, and 9 are #REDIRECTS. That leaves a total of 190 actual Ghyll Encyclopedia articles, of which 65 have appeared as [[Round 1 Spotlights|spotlights]] on the [[Main Page]].<br />
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There are 116 users in the user list, of which 46 have at least minimal user pages. Of these, 32 have actually contributed articles. (This includes [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]], who doesn't exist in real life.) --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:17, 26 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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<br /><div align="right"><big><strong>--The Encyclopedants</strong></big></div><br />
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[[Category:Encyclopedants]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Darkened_Lantern&diff=23583Ghyll:Darkened Lantern2005-05-07T08:17:28Z<p>Theophenes: name fix, don't know why I thought it was Thomas, first name stands.</p>
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<div>All source names in this report are false, not to avoid documentation, but rather to ensure the safety of my sources - they have broken many rules of secrecy within the [[Brothers of the Lantern]]. It must also be known that I myself was put in slight risk as there was one attempt on my life this week as a result of my research (however, in hindsight, it should be actively considered that I was very drunk at the time and "research" involved this lovely young....er, nevermind.)<br />
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:The incident of the '''Darkened Lantern''', as it were, is mainly consistent of a moral conundrum, which is admittedly not novel for the [[Brothers of the Lantern|Brotherhood]]. It must then be realized that although this was one that lacked a definitive answer, as do most of the [[Brothers of the Lantern|Brotherhood]]'s favorite questions, the difficulty lied neither in the question nor the answer, but that a situation demanded an immediate, and simple response, which was what was really so dangerous about it." --Bikari Smallwood<br />
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The argument in question was whether the alchemical intelligence (abbreviated "A.Int." by most people in the field) in [[EctoMechanauts]] was capable of contemplating the spiritual. In -37 [[EC]], Bolma Knengsken-Drasselmeyer, attempting to [[Hive-Lord|Answer his Question]], died shortly after attempting to sneak into the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] factories of FMC. He left this life babbling madly and in police custody. His [[Hive-Lord]] disappeared shortly afterwards in equally strenuous circumstances. After this, the Question became quite popular, especially amongst [[EUPHORIA|EctoMechanaut Use Protestors Horrified at Obvious Racketeering of Intelligent Alchentities]] (the common definition of objects with any form of alchemical life energy), more commonly known as [[EUPHORIA]].<br />
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:While the [[Brothers of the Lantern|Brotherhood]] often meditated on this question and crafted several answers, the incident that occurred afterwards is very important. An [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] with a skeletal frame of what is believed to have been ghoulwood, known to us as Narthcuhgylliandonelfherendkeflugen (his serial production number was scratched out, and multiple sources say it is an ancient [[Alezan pantheon|Alezanian lesser deity]], thus the strangeness therein), attempted to join the [[Brothers of the Lantern|Brotherhood]] in -22 [[EC]]. --Dentyl Cane<br />
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:No one really knows who said what. A debate by the usual factions was formed. It is known that the arguments on both were complicated enough to drive men mad. The arguments came to the point where it led to the incident. --"Salty" Gibbons<br />
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:The eventual event ended in the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] being accepted. When he was inititiated by having the light of the great [[darseed]] oil lantern shone upon him (''a secret rite of ancient times, perhaps older than the [[Brothers of the Lantern|Brotherhood]] themselves, according to most [[Occultologists]]''), the light was black instead of white. This is because someone replaced the [[darseed]] oil with [[Quezlar's Quaff, Inc.|Quezlar's Quaff]], boiled into a gelatinous substance. The [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] disappeared when the dark beam hit him. We don’t know as to why, and we did not feel brave enough to test the beam on someone else. --Jermaine Loweltree 78th<br />
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:We also do not know who did it, despite multiple investigations and numerous anonymous tips. Some theorize it was the pranksters who had been painting luminescent vandalism on our walls. Others believe it was none other than an illustrious urBrother who had championed his not being accepted into the order, and others believed that it was merely an error caused by a mislabelling of boxes. --Marque Cho’gall<br />
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Police reports are as follows:<br />
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:Photographic studies and internal design schemata proved that the alchentity in question was quite possibly Jacques, the first known technically sentient [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]]. The scratched out serial number was probably his creator's signature, which was scratched off seeing as he didn’t have a serial number in the first place. If found, he is still wanted for questioning in the events concerning his creator's death. --Detective Bernhard Lenhork<br />
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It has been said, by the few witnesses who stepped forward on condition of anonymity, that there was no trace of him left, and he did not appear to be in pain when the beam hit him. Some witnesses claimed he smiled. It is a proposed theory that he set up the beam, and it did not kill him but moved him somewhere else. Others claim he wished to die because he knew what he had done, most likely attempting to imply that he killed his master.<br />
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As to whether or not the [[Brothers of the Lantern|Brotherhood]] has been able to find out about the creation of [[EctoMechanauts]] (supposedly a major part of their decision to accept the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] into the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]), those who did investigate have all since died save two, both of whom have gone mentally insane and are now currently living in the [[Zyrgian Asylum|Zyrgian Asylum for the Mildly Mad]].<br />
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'''Citations''': [[EctoMechanauts]], [[EUPHORIA]], [[Zyrgian Asylum]].<br />
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--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 15:39, 8 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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[[Category:Events]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Encyclopedants_Progress_Report_26&diff=24396Ghyll:Encyclopedants Progress Report 262005-05-07T08:03:03Z<p>Theophenes: /* Scholar Reports */</p>
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'''The Encyclopedants''' is a term applied to the small group of individuals who decided a collection of Ghyll intellect, in written and distributed form, was necessary for the bettering of society, as well as the benefit of future historians. The group now presides over the encyclopedia's integrity and "cohesion of vision". To remain an objective judge, the Encyclopedants attempt to focus only on "the facts as we're told them", asking questions, poking holes, and suggesting "standards" to further quality assurance. These Progress Reports are considered official communication between the Encyclopedants and their Scholars, and they encourage others to write their own thoughts and comments into the margins.<br />
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==Whither Our Dropped Mandibles?==<br />
One year ago as we, the Encyclopedants, put out a call for contributors to a new collection of knowledge, we never expected to reach this, the end of the Encyclopedia's first draft. Even now, as our editors diligently wrangle the wealth of text into a shape suitable for mass consumption and printing for your peers, we realize that a Second Edition is uncontestable: there is simply so much more to discover, uncover and, in the case of the [[Bureau of Recovered Knowledge]], recover. While a number of our regular scholars have signed on for the expanded Second Edition, we're quite pleased to see new fingers anxious to catalog the intellect that, until now, has been spread only across the minds of all.<br />
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This Encyclopedia is not without hazard, though. Besides the [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer]] incident (which has been thankfully settled), there have been numerous (and sometimes begrudgingly successful) attempts to sabotage, clarify, [[Council for Quezlarian Research|censor]], or corrupt entire parts of your work. Some knowledge transferred [[Altoxian Bulb|none too cleanly]]. Still, throughout it all, our editors and copywriters persevered ''(And sometimes not very willingly! --Burgengute)'', delivering a completed work that has no equal. While we all pat our own carapaces' here, we'd like to give our scholars a chance to state their opinions on our first yearly journey. But be prepared! We'll be accepting entries for the Second Draft within a scant few weeks, so don't go overboard on the <strike>[[Adlorst Vinifera|Adlorst]]</strike> [[Winelust Syrup]]. ''(That wasn't me. --Burgengute)''<br />
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==Scholar Reports==<br />
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===Morbus Iff===<br />
Were my "esteemed" colleagues [[yesticale worms]], I fear it quite impossible to prevent a regression to my youth of squishing and squashing, if only to replace their [[Cranee Historical Society|bilious permanence]] to the somber and shortlived sound of my wood-living friends. Many times did I [[New Year's Day|partake]] in [[Ghoulwood viola|distracting pleasures]] merely to submit my work to a project I foresee down a [[Cataract Road|waterfall]] of furious malcontent. I digress. Whilst my nerves have been grated small enough such as to be forever ungrateful, this encyclopedia has proven a welcome and light distraction from my search for the [[User:Morbus Iff|fluid source]]. It, and the mysteries since recorded, continue to pique my oblique, and for that I will remain.<br />
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===Sean B. Palmer===<br />
I really don't think it's possible to top the fluidity, the magnanimousity of poetic warmpth and prosodic rigour that was imbued into my T through Z entries; I'm sure they're quite simply Ghyll-changing in their calibre to such an extent that it may spark off that which I wrote about in them calling a "renaissance". I really hope that at least one copy of these entries gets through to the editors' office some day. I'd also like to apologise for the grumpiness of my brother, Morbus Iff, but the brown goo really was putrid, and if you've ever had his oblique foisted on you in the dark you'd know why it's always piqued.<br />
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: How I pine for words to adequately describe the Sneer King whom has graced my composure! Brother? Ha! I eschewed the bonds of your creation many Perks ago. I also suspect a fair amount of disgusted, and unpaid for, eschewing from the [[TransAvian]] tasked with bringing your "entries" to the editors. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:01, 29 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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===Theophenes===<br />
Despite my relatively new emergence onto the actual task of wiritng, I watch with fervor and interest almost from the veyr beginning, when the subject of Andelphracian Lights was being yanked off the presses. I believe that we are accomplishing the mission of adequately and accurately recording events to crate a simpled collective view of our world. but isn't that what an encyclopedia is for?--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:03, 7 May 2005 (EDT)<br />
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==Round 1 Statistics==<br />
At the end of Round 1 there are a total of 219 article pages visible on [[Special:Allpages]], of which one is the [[Main Page]], 15 belong to the special [[:Category:Encyclopedants|Encyclopedants]] category, 4 belong to the special [[:Category:Lexicon|Lexicon]] category, and 9 are #REDIRECTS. That leaves a total of 190 actual Ghyll Encyclopedia articles, of which 65 have appeared as [[Round 1 Spotlights|spotlights]] on the [[Main Page]].<br />
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There are 116 users in the user list, of which 46 have at least minimal user pages. Of these, 32 have actually contributed articles. (This includes [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]], who doesn't exist in real life.) --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:17, 26 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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<br /><div align="right"><big><strong>--The Encyclopedants</strong></big></div><br />
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[[Category:Encyclopedants]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:AuroAnthropology&diff=22575Ghyll:AuroAnthropology2005-04-25T17:54:03Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>'''AuroAnthropology''' is the social-humanist study of the history of light and light sources in culture, in contrast to the long theological tradition of the [[Brothers of the Lantern]]. Modern AuroAnthropology is a fairly young science, as clear and objective study into light and related matters was until relatively recently the subject of strong taboo, if not outright persecution. Consider the obscure approach which a scribe of the Fylesgate Annals seems to think necessary in referring to the invention of [[Andelphracian Lights]]: (Please forgive the translation from ternary script)<br />
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Hail Andelphracia! Hail!<br /><br />
Seventh mayor, seven times chosen,<br /><br />
Ripped a secret from heaven<br /><br />
Any other would surely be smote to ash<br /><br />
Or struck by lightning as an unrighteous thief<br /><br />
Also, she commissioned a rather-charming clock tower<br /><br />
Presided over festivals seven times<br /><br />
Resolved the farm dispute fairly to either side<br /><br />
Until you build a clock<br /><br />
Be wary in following the example of your betters.<br /><br />
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Even in our contemporary times, the pursuit of AuroAnthropology has been at best considered fairly controversial. Consider this recent clipping from our own [[Folktown Records]], edition 312:<br />
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<blockquote><p>"Why does the Sun Shine?" - Gibbous Saunders, age 11.</p><br />
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<p>Garth Haversham (Managing Editor) replies: "Dear readers, while it is the policy and mission of this publication to provide clear answers to questions, in this case myself and my staff have had to make a tough call--Master Saunders, ask your mother."</p><br />
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In very recent years, however, thanks to the pioneering work of many scholars toiling in obscurity, a few courageous city 'docs', and the higher profile activities of the [[Unquisition]], many questions about the history of portable and celestial light have begun to be addressed.<br />
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'''Citations''': [[Brothers of the Lantern]], [[Unquisition]].<br />
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--[[User:Joe Bowers|Joe Bowers]] 16:41, 2 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I'd just like to emphacise, having studied the Fylesgate Annals for some time, just how strained that translation of the ternary script is: in several places it could easily be interpreted as meaning the opposite with a few very straightforward arguments. Nontheless, I recognize the extreme difficulty in providing translations of ternary script in core script. Perhaps when the Encyclopaedia comes around to defining Ternary Script, we can include some examples of the original. I'd also like to thank Mr. Bowers for including an entry on the oft' neglected field of AuroAnthropology so early on in the creation of the Encyclopaedia. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 13:34, 3 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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My apologies again for the weak translation- for example, in the sixth (translated) line above, my reading of a 45 degree westward bend in the second-order script as 'rather-charming' could also be read "terrifying", or simply "yellow". Alternative translations by other scholars would be welcome in this space, editors permitting. --[[User:Joe Bowers|Joe Bowers]] 13:58, 3 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I can already hear husbands all across Ghyll saying "why, my dear, you're looking 'rather-charming' in the Bowersian sense today". --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 14:07, 3 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Joe, that's a darn fine translation you got goin' there. But you forgot the format-dependant nature of [[Blivingdel]]'s Interpretation of Ternary Script. Way I read it, it comes out more like:<br />
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<p>Hail, Andelphracia!<br /><br />
Hail, The 7 Mayors seven times!<br /><br />
They tore a secret down from the sky.<br /><br />
Any, who were selected, would be safe.<br /><br />
Which other one would be smote over to ashes<br /><br />
or struck by lightning as an unrightous thief?<br /><br />
The &lt;untranslatable> one rather &lt;untranslatable> master clock.<br /><br />
Andelphracia presided over Festivals seven times during the farm debate.<br /><br />
Each side then repaired, until Andelphracia carefully improved the master clock.</p><br />
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That 3rd line from the last didn't make no sense, but I see how you could get "yellow" or "rather-charming" or "terrifying" for that glyph. You can clearly see the ascending length structure of the lines in my translation. Afraid my Ternary Script is a bit rusty, but I think this reading captures the style of a scribe of the Fylesgate Annals just a bit better.<br />
--[[User:Qwentyth Pyre|Qwentyth Pyre]] 15:36, 3 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Given that it was her seventh year of mayoresshood (cf. "the creation in the seventh year of the mayoresshood of Andelphracia of her namesakeful lights" in [[Andelphracian Lights]]), that reading is even more unlikely. Current Fylesgate Annals research suggests no verifiable references to non-Andelphracia mayors of Fylesgate--we can be fairly sure that the Annals are almost all only about her activities as Fylesgate mayoress--but as with any investigation into Ternary Script literature, I don't think your reading can be completely discounted. In any case, I here provide my own translation: <br />
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Feeling the ascending length structure to be merely an oddly popular myth of Ternary Script style, I've composed this in the rhyming iambic pentameter couplets I feel more befitting for such a magnificent piece of Ghyll heritage: <br />
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<div>&nbsp;Cheer now good charm to Andelphracia: </div><br />
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<div>Her seventh year, and pray we seven more! </div><br />
<div>&nbsp;The firmament to her bequeathed its lore, </div><br />
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<div>Although to else it would have caus&#x00E8;d grief</div><br />
<div>&nbsp;Or struck by lightning as unrighteous thief.</div><br />
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<div>She the clock tower moved great men to build,</div><br />
<div>&nbsp;Presided over sev&#x00E8;ral a guild,</div><br />
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<div>Led us to reclaim land a Fool derides:</div><br />
<div>&nbsp;Resolved the Farm Dispute fair on both sides.</div><br />
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<div>Caution then to whom fall short of her grace:</div><br />
<div>&nbsp;Know well thy lowly station and thy place.</div><br />
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Though there is quite some diversity in the syntax and semantics of our collective translations, I think that the underlying feel and direction has been now adequately captured by us three. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 17:26, 3 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Thanks to you both for your help! For those of you who may not have access to your own copy of the Annals, I attach the untranslated document (some primary and secondary structure has been omitted for clarity, except when chording with the lower-order structures was necessary). Note the three separate compass strokes (!), that caused me and Mr. Pyre such confusion over the chord "The Mighty/Time/Mechanism". (That, to Mr. Palmer's delight, I read initially as "Time/Charming"). See [http://www.culturematic.net/ghyll/hail-andalphracia.gif Fylesgate Annals Folio 82 (Andelphracia)]. --[[User:Joe Bowers|Joe Bowers]] 19:58, 4 Sep 2004<br />
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I know that my position on Phracia and the Phracians is generally considered risible, paranoid or sometimes even offensive- but sooner or later even the most obtuse will surely be constrained to face facts. We're supposed to be scholars, damn it all. Now- when the gloves finally come off, there's one question I'd dearly love to see settled: just WHY are there no records of mayors other than (''sic'') Andel-Phracia? Now that's a question worth its obith in fefferberry seeds.... --[[User:Ginestre|Ginestre]] 16:43, 5 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Paranoid especially since even the existence of the "Phracians" is based on a highly tenuous etymological reading of Andelphracia's name in Ternary Script. Current studies indicate it more likely that her name is derived from a compound of several chordic elements for simple qualities (specifically, possibily qualities related to her birth: the elements for "lakeside", "rain", and "dawn-chorus" can be discerned), which have over time coalesced and mutated into a fixed form. The time phase for this having taken place is unknown since the Duadic Scripts that would be most likely to lead to further insight on the matter are still largely undeciphered, but we do have some passing references in other sundry records that were recently discovered in the [[Odlucian Library]]. (Please excuse me if by "Phracians" you mean those of us that study Andelphracia; a term that has been used occasionally. It's just that your hyphenation of her name suggests otherwise).<br />
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We are led to believe from the Fylesgate Annals that Fylesgate was a small town with a very prestigious and famous mayoress, but your question is a good one and I'm unable to shed any further light on it: why should a town kept by one of the most famous of Ghyll's historical figures have barely a mention in other documents before or after her, and why are we unable to place it with any much more accuracy than to the [[Evesque Valley]]? Perhaps as our skills at interpreting Ternary and Duadic Script evolves, we'll learn some answers, but given the amount of time that's passed since those grand days, it's likely that there'll be a few mysteries that'll continue to tantalise us for a long time to come. Archaeological excavations in the [[Evesque Valley]] by the Cranee lot et al. may also help us to understand--you never know, there might even be more records turned up in the process. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 17:05, 5 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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If by "tenuous etymological reading" you intend (as if I didn't know) to cast aspersions on my extensive studies of variant q in Ternary, so be it. My shoulders are broad, and the fear of being a lone voice in the wilderness has never held me back from asking awkward questions; what is more -and you must grant me that this is some small measure of comfort - time told in my favour over the Loolier poem. So, my question stands: IF (my capitalisation) the name Andelphracia refers to only one person, and female, why are there no records of others? You yourself accept the rather vague nature references implicit in "her" name, and posit coalescence over time, and solidification. Don't be offended now, but these are not qualities generally associated with stories, legends or myths about one single historical person. Accretion, yes- but not coalescence and solidification. <br />
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On the other hand, if we - just for one brave moment - dared to question received wisdom, and posited that Andelphracia should be read Andel-Phracia, not one but many.... how many other oddities would suddenly seem no longer quite so strange....<br />
--[[User:Ginestre|Ginestre]] 18:10, 5 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Ginestre might have a point there. It sure would shed some light (heh) on my Blivingdel's Interpretation-style ascending length structure translation. Why, "The 7 Mayors seven times" might even refer to up to 49 '''different''' "Phracian" Mayors, of whom this "Andel" may be the most famous. Yes, indeed. Ginestre, if you could ever prove this line of mayors leading either from or to a single individual named "Andel," why, your reputation as a first rate researcher would be made. Alas, all you have right now is an absence of proof, which is hardly a proof of absence, if you get my meaning. However, since I'm sure my translation is closer to the original Fylesgate Annals style, I think you may be on to something. Good luck searching for substantiation. --[[User:Qwentyth Pyre|Qwentyth Pyre]] 23:33, 5 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Just a note on process- while this is a particularly sticky passage, admittedly translated by an old Folktowner more at home with good old fashioned "Steam-Engineer's" script than Third-Formal orientation, likely some of us will be introducing ancient or foreign texts for which our translations will be authoritative. Perhaps we should agree on one of the following:<br />
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# Surely all of us are intimately familiar with core script, regardless of time or place of origin. Perhaps we should agree that translations from core scripts are authoritative, while Duadic/Ternary/Quartic/Nth-order texts are subject to multiple varying interpretations (always allowing that no scribe or caligrapher would ever inscribe meaning into a higher order that contradicts a lower order of the same document.)<br />
# On the other hand, perhaps it will be enough for scholars simply to note "My translation could be in error" or some such (as I did above), to indicate that their interpretations are open to debate, and all other translations should be assumed to be authoritative.<br />
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If it's of interest, perhaps the Encyclopedants would like to weigh in on this issue?<br />
--[[User:Joe Bowers|Joe Bowers]] 00:30, 6 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Qwentyth, you have long been known as one unafraid to speak your mind, openly, fearless and regardless; thank you for your support. I know that others would speak too, if they but dared. But let me leave the present aside, before I waytrack myself beyond measure... <br />
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May I ask a direct opinion on a small matter of translation? Your independent opinion would help me clarify certain aspects of my own thought. I have not as you know now spent time on the Annals for many years since, preferring more active service in the pursuit of knowledge, but I couldn't help but notice line 7 in a new light this morning as it seems to confer support to investigations I am currently undertaking. The key question is how to interpret the second trestach - "farm dispute" in your rendering, together with the prepositional desinence you follow tradition in rendering as "during". Let me quote your own translation of the line in question:<br />
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<blockquote>Andelphracia presided over Festivals seven times during the farm debate.</blockquote><br />
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The basic semantic points are not at issue: the trestach deliberately places (farm, homestead, place of cultivation) in relation to the gerund (come against), which is usually used to denote the resolution of some degree of lack of agreement and to the authority suffix applied to Anfelphracia. You have combined the gerund and the authority suffix, and so rendered "presided over". By the bye, this lack of agreement is often, but by no means always, oral. But -and here is my point - would you see any difficulty in rendering "farm dispute" as "dispute at the physical farm" rather than "dispute about the farm question"? If we accept that we are talking about a real place, rather than an abstract concept, then the prepositional desinence can be taken as merely following an older usage as pure embellishment. The line could then be rendered literally as<br />
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<blockquote>Andelphracia in authority - was in opposition to - both sides - during the homesteader's fight</blockquote><br />
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Or, more colloquially:<br />
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<blockquote>Andel-Phracia lorded it over the fight at the homestead</blockquote><br />
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Or -as the Loolier adage has it, when two are quarreling, sneak in and pinch the pigs. Ha! <br />
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Is this stretching things too far, in your opinion? --[[User:Ginestre|Ginestre]] 03:49, 6 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Nope. Sounds fine by me. --[[User:Qwentyth Pyre|Qwentyth Pyre]] 04:34, 6 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I must admit, although it challenges somewhat our view of Andelphracia, this reading is definitely a possibility. Interested scholars are welcome to consult my [http://www.culturematic.net/ghyll/hail-andelphracia-notes.gif translation notes] on what, in any case, is a remarkably ambivelent passage. (The "See notes charming/the mighty" in the margins refer to my initial reading as Neutral diminutive clever, and which Mr. Palmer has (compellingly) read as a Maj/Minor/Dim 7 chord <br />
"The mighty are moved (to create) the machine which names time")<br />
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--[[User:Joe Bowers|Joe Bowers]] 12:10, 6 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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My personal opinion is that:<br />
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The <untranslatable> one rather <untranslatable> master clock<br />
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Is actually:<br />
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The eudaimonic (,)one(,) rather unkowing master clock<br />
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The rason I have placed two commas is because either is a forseeable place for the pause, but each would edefinitely alter the context of the poem. Punctuation in texts of this particular era are fairly difficult to place, seeing as commas where not used for spaicing then. Waht was, well, this author for one has no verdict.--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 13:54, 25 Apr 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll_talk:Zhur_Fruit&diff=28987Ghyll talk:Zhur Fruit2005-04-25T17:43:56Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>At one fifth of a lele high they would be more than 2 tenths of a mile high. I'd think about revising that height. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 15:54, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:Indeed. How can the fruits be (easily) removed if they're so high in the shrub? And a shrub is generally roundish and portly, right? So, a shrub that tall would have to be of massive girth and width, like an Epcot center. If this doesn't get fixed by tonight, my feeling is to change the "1/5th lele" to "1/2 a unanit", roughly 5 feet tall (and probably twice as wide, roughly). Measurements in [[Chesix System Of Measures]] and their [[Gerth]] equivalents. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:04, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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Also, this entry is missing an author and the required citations at this point and should be corrected. --[[User:Lisa B. Underhalh|Lisa B. Underhalh]] 18:28, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:Lisa, you'll actually these mistakes a lot from new players - the footer, oddly, is apparently one of the hardest things to get right for some folks. Technically, his citations are "correct" INSIDE the entry, it's just the final '''Citations''' line that he's missing. I'll, as I do, correct it for him this time, but next time, right to the Moon, Theo, right to the Moon! (And no, you don't get to pick which one.) --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:43, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
::I'm sorry, I'm a new player too. Figured I was trying to be helpful and I didn't want to presume on which were citations. Sorry if I crossed the line and came across at all insulting. --[[User:Lisa B. Underhalh|Lisa B. Underhalh]] 21:09, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
:::No, not at all, ''mon frere''. There are no mistakes in a wiki, merely edits waiting to happen. And, no, I don't speak French, merely repeating Gambit from an old Marvel comic. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 22:40, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
::::Obviously, or you would have written ''ma soeur'' instead. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 14:06, 23 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
:I've done the work (Morb may still be recovering from the business with the silver hammer), but there's only one phantom cited, so something will have to be done. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 14:06, 23 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
::Actually, from what I understood, entries in Y and Z would only require one known citation and zero phantoms. Am I wrong in this conclusion? --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 16:37, 23 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
:::That's for Lexicon RPGs that run from A to Z and then terminate. Ghyll is going on forever, so that rule doesn't apply. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 21:48, 23 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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Sorry, was thinking more of a tree than a shrub, too much wine. As to the actual Citations, I must have forgot a phantom. My aplogies. --[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 13:36, 25 Apr 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Zhur_Fruit&diff=30889Ghyll:Zhur Fruit2005-04-25T17:43:18Z<p>Theophenes: /* Uses */</p>
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<div>== Description ==<br />
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Zhur shrubs usuallly stop growing at about 1/2 a [[Chesix System of Measures|unanit]] high and have small orange fruit which is very delicious but rots exactly one day after removal. It is one of the major members of the That-Looks-Delicious family.<br />
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== Habitat ==<br />
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Zhur Shrubs were originally native to the [[Xurient]]. They are now cultivated here, and actually do quite well in the more humid regions of Ghyll.<br />
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== Life cycle ==<br />
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The shrubs are known for their peculiar lives. One of the most unusual tendencies is the fact that they reproduce by growth, that is: they grow to a set limit, then the tops fall off and end up somewhere else, usually blown by the wind. The heads eventually stop and put down roots, usually at an obstacle that stops them. This is why there are so many of them at the feet of the [[Sarfelogian Mountains]] under the [[Keglacians|Keglacian]]-built roads, which are natural traps for them. Their fruit has no known purpose. They do not die unless they are starved or burned, and their fruit appears at completely random intervals.<br />
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== Variant Species ==<br />
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There is one known variant, a hybrid between the shrubs and [[Pziqq]] trees. This hybrid is about half as tall and has blue fruit. The fruits are not quite as flavorful, but ship exceptionally well. <br />
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== Uses ==<br />
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Because the fruit does not last more than one day after being picked, the fruits have no major economic importance. The fruits are even more popular than Fefferberries for their flavor, but because of the quick-rotting problem, there is no mass marketed beverage. They grow well, and are often found in yards in larger towns, and in the centers of some villages, to be plucked for parties. [[King Harandraff the Great|King Harandraff]] was rumored to have created a wine from half-rotten ones. This scholar was unable to find any other instance of this in research.<br />
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It is also noted of there decorative prinicples, if cut into specicifc shapes after they have sprouted, they tend to stay in the given shape, making greenery statues common. Little is known of these "artists," except taht they have claimed Using hungfold frameworks to support them, thought this is likely a lie.<br />
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'''Citations''': [[Xurient]], [[Pziqq]], [[Hungfold]].<br />
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--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]], 21:23, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Zhur_Fruit&diff=30888Ghyll:Zhur Fruit2005-04-25T17:36:36Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>== Description ==<br />
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Zhur shrubs usuallly stop growing at about 1/2 a [[Chesix System of Measures|unanit]] high and have small orange fruit which is very delicious but rots exactly one day after removal. It is one of the major members of the That-Looks-Delicious family.<br />
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== Habitat ==<br />
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Zhur Shrubs were originally native to the [[Xurient]]. They are now cultivated here, and actually do quite well in the more humid regions of Ghyll.<br />
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== Life cycle ==<br />
<br />
The shrubs are known for their peculiar lives. One of the most unusual tendencies is the fact that they reproduce by growth, that is: they grow to a set limit, then the tops fall off and end up somewhere else, usually blown by the wind. The heads eventually stop and put down roots, usually at an obstacle that stops them. This is why there are so many of them at the feet of the [[Sarfelogian Mountains]] under the [[Keglacians|Keglacian]]-built roads, which are natural traps for them. Their fruit has no known purpose. They do not die unless they are starved or burned, and their fruit appears at completely random intervals.<br />
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== Variant Species ==<br />
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There is one known variant, a hybrid between the shrubs and [[Pziqq]] trees. This hybrid is about half as tall and has blue fruit. The fruits are not quite as flavorful, but ship exceptionally well. <br />
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== Uses ==<br />
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Because the fruit does not last more than one day after being picked, the fruits have no major economic importance. The fruits are even more popular than Fefferberries for their flavor, but because of the quick-rotting problem, there is no mass marketed beverage. They grow well, and are often found in yards in larger towns, and in the centers of some villages, to be plucked for parties. [[King Harandraff the Great|King Harandraff]] was rumored to have created a wine from half-rotten ones. This scholar was unable to find any other instance of this in research.<br />
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'''Citations''': [[Xurient]], [[Pziqq]], [[???]].<br />
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--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]], 21:23, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll_talk:Zhur_Fruit&diff=28986Ghyll talk:Zhur Fruit2005-04-25T17:36:11Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>At one fifth of a lele high they would be more than 2 tenths of a mile high. I'd think about revising that height. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 15:54, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:Indeed. How can the fruits be (easily) removed if they're so high in the shrub? And a shrub is generally roundish and portly, right? So, a shrub that tall would have to be of massive girth and width, like an Epcot center. If this doesn't get fixed by tonight, my feeling is to change the "1/5th lele" to "1/2 a unanit", roughly 5 feet tall (and probably twice as wide, roughly). Measurements in [[Chesix System Of Measures]] and their [[Gerth]] equivalents. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:04, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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Also, this entry is missing an author and the required citations at this point and should be corrected. --[[User:Lisa B. Underhalh|Lisa B. Underhalh]] 18:28, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:Lisa, you'll actually these mistakes a lot from new players - the footer, oddly, is apparently one of the hardest things to get right for some folks. Technically, his citations are "correct" INSIDE the entry, it's just the final '''Citations''' line that he's missing. I'll, as I do, correct it for him this time, but next time, right to the Moon, Theo, right to the Moon! (And no, you don't get to pick which one.) --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:43, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
::I'm sorry, I'm a new player too. Figured I was trying to be helpful and I didn't want to presume on which were citations. Sorry if I crossed the line and came across at all insulting. --[[User:Lisa B. Underhalh|Lisa B. Underhalh]] 21:09, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
:::No, not at all, ''mon frere''. There are no mistakes in a wiki, merely edits waiting to happen. And, no, I don't speak French, merely repeating Gambit from an old Marvel comic. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 22:40, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
::::Obviously, or you would have written ''ma soeur'' instead. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 14:06, 23 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
:I've done the work (Morb may still be recovering from the business with the silver hammer), but there's only one phantom cited, so something will have to be done. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 14:06, 23 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
::Actually, from what I understood, entries in Y and Z would only require one known citation and zero phantoms. Am I wrong in this conclusion? --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 16:37, 23 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
:::That's for Lexicon RPGs that run from A to Z and then terminate. Ghyll is going on forever, so that rule doesn't apply. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 21:48, 23 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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Sorry, was thinking mro of a tree than a shrub, too much wine. As to the actual Citations, I must have forgot a phantom. My aplogies.[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 13:36, 25 Apr 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Zhur_Fruit&diff=30887Ghyll:Zhur Fruit2005-04-25T17:33:33Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>== Description ==<br />
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Zhur shrubs usuallly stop growing at about 1/2 a [[Chesix System of Measures|unanit]] high and have small orange fruit which is very delicious but rots exactly one day after removal. It is one of the major members of the That-Looks-Delicious family.<br />
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== Habitat ==<br />
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Zhur Shrubs were originally native to the [[Xurient]]. They are now cultivated here, and actually do quite well in the more humid regions of Ghyll.<br />
<br />
== Life cycle ==<br />
<br />
The shrubs are known for their peculiar lives. One of the most unusual tendencies is the fact that they reproduce by growth, that is: they grow to a set limit, then the tops fall off and end up somewhere else, usually blown by the wind. The heads eventually stop and put down roots, usually at an obstacle that stops them. This is why there are so many of them at the feet of the [[Sarfelogian Mountains]] under the [[Keglacians|Keglacian]]-built roads, which are natural traps for them. Their fruit has no known purpose. They do not die unless they are starved or burned, and their fruit appears at completely random intervals.<br />
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== Variant Species ==<br />
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There is one known variant, a hybrid between the shrubs and [[Pziqq]] trees. This hybrid is about half as tall and has blue fruit. The fruits are not quite as flavorful, but ship exceptionally well. <br />
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== Uses ==<br />
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Because the fruit does not last more than one day after being picked, the fruits have no major economic importance. The fruits are even more popular than Fefferberries for their flavor, but because of the quick-rotting problem, there is no mass marketed beverage. They grow well, and are often found in yards in larger towns, and in the centers of some villages, to be plucked for parties. [[King Harandraff the Great|King Harandraff]] was rumored to have created a wine from half-rotten ones. This scholar was unable to find any other instance of this in research.<br />
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'''Citations''': [[Xurient]], [[Pziqq]], [[Keglacians]].<br />
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--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]], 21:23, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Zhur_Fruit&diff=30882Ghyll:Zhur Fruit2005-04-22T01:23:30Z<p>Theophenes: All the phantoms were dibbed, so why the zark not?</p>
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== Description ==<br />
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Zhur shrubs usuallly stop growing at about one fifth of a lele high and have small orange fruit which is very delicious, but rots exactly one day after removal. It is one of the major members of the That-Looks-Delicious family.<br />
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== Habitat ==<br />
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Zhur Shrubs, known for their delicious fruit, were oringally native to the [[Xurient]]. It is now cultivated here. They actually do quite well in the more humid regions of Ghyll.<br />
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== Life cycle ==<br />
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They are known for their peculiar lives. One of the most unusual tendencies is the fact that they reproduce by growth, that is , they grow to set limit, then the tops fall off and end up somewhere else, usually blown by wind. They evenetually stop and put down roots, usually at an obstacle that stops them. This is why there are so many of them at the feet of the [[Sarfelogian Mountains]] under the [[Kelgacian]] built roads, which are natiural traps for them. Their fruit has no known purpose. They do not die unless they are starved or burned, and their fruit appears at completely random intervals.<br />
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== Variant Species ==<br />
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There is one known variant, a hybrid between the shrubs and the [[Pziqq]] Trees. This hybrid is about half as tall and has blue fruit. The fruits are not quite as flavorful, but ship exceptionally well. <br />
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== Uses ==<br />
Because the fruit does not last more than one day after being picked, the fruits have no major economic importance. The fruits are even more popular than Fefferberries for their flavor, but because of the quick-rotting problem, there is no mass marketed beverage. They grow well, and are often found in someone's yards in larger towns, and in the centers of some villages, to be plucked for parties. [[King Harandaff the great|King Harandaff ]] was rumored to have created a wine from half-rotten ones. This scholar was unable to find any other instance of this in research.</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Gerth&diff=24854Ghyll:Gerth2005-04-21T21:09:59Z<p>Theophenes: /* Gerth Scholar Activities */</p>
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<div>When they're not working hard on the Ghyll Encyclopedia, the Ghyll scholars often turn their attention to the staff game known as Gerth. Played in Cunningham Hall in [[Folktown]], Gerth is an "alternative collaborative lexicon" containing a fictional account of what the Ghyll scholars might be getting up to if they lived on a different planet. Essentially, Gerth is a planet whose whole surface has been explored and hence gives much room for creativity.<br />
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Gerthanoids are very unlike us in that they have only two mandibles, and non-compound eyes amongst many other rather disgusting abnormalities. They worship money, are oblivious to the immense couriering abilities of their "elephants", and generally get manipulated by their governments into reproducing on average two and a half children per mating couple compared to our single offspawns.<br />
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==Gerth Scholar Activities==<br />
[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] is promoted from being a simple scholar to the supreme commander for an intercommunications company on the east coast of one of Gerth's largest countries, and has a love for fast girls, fast horror, and fast words. He runs Diffobey Industries--a large Gerth organisation dealing primarily in prophylactic slogans and Dave Winer harassment lawsuits. In his spare time, he runs the Bryll Wiki, an "online" lexicon game where its participants create an alternative world fuelled only by their imaginations. The inhabitants of Bryll are even working on their own lexicon in their spare time about a world called Plurth...<br />
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[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] plays Dhaived, an unemployed writer of lumics, who gathers together a geographically diverse group of other frustrated lumic writers to hold confabulations which resemble poetry jams only less organized. Their creations are then published in a vast etheric telepathic medium so that they share in mutual admiration while laboring in obscurity. When he is not indulging his passion for wasting time he and his lovely wife Heythere enjoy cooking and mentally torturing their mamillian pet.<br />
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[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] is much too boring to exist in Gerth at all.<br />
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[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] is a young child on Gerth, whose obscure but prolific idealism and essay writing make him a relatively distinguished Scholar and eater of various in/edible substances. He goes to a place called Colleege, which is an institution supposedly desigend to disenegage the intellect of younger "Gerthlings," who commonly refer to themselves as "cue-mans".<br />
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''What does your Ghyllian scholar do in the world of Gerth?''<br />
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[[Category:Encyclopedants]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll_talk:Zed_Varren&diff=28970Ghyll talk:Zed Varren2005-04-21T20:48:37Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>I have heard more than once from one of my sources that Zed is actually quite dead. However, this particular source is rarely right, and I quite frankly have other projects at this time.--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 16:48, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Lexicon_discussion&diff=26628Ghyll:Lexicon discussion2005-04-21T08:50:35Z<p>Theophenes: /* Time For Turn Changes */</p>
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If you've any questions or suggestions about the wiki and its syntax, the Lexicon rules, Ghyll continuity errors, letting us know you're gonna miss a turn, etc., use this page to wax poetic. Be sure to sign your name (using either the second - from - the - right toolbar icon, or typing two hyphens and four tildes), which also includes the timestamp. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 11:32, 20 Aug 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Frequently Asked Questions==<br />
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===How do I dib an entry (cf. Rule 1)?===<br />
If there is a specific phantom you'd like to write, wait until the proper turn occurs (ie. waiting for the "R" turn to dib phantom "Rancor") and then edit the phantom to just include a statement of dibbing ("MIIine! ALlL MiIInnE!") and your name/signature. Naturally, the intent of dibbing an entry is so that you actually write it - if you don't during that turn, your dib expires. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:53, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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===Can I cite more than I'm required to cite? (cf. Rule 2)===<br />
Each turn after the first, you're required to cite two phantom entries and one existing entry. Neither of these three citations can be terms you've created or written. However, if you've properly met these requirements, your entry can certainly refer to other terms in the Ghyll encyclopedia, including those you've personally written. These "other terms", however, MUST have been previously defined or created. See the [[Ghyll Index]] for a complete list of in-play terms. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:53, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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: I had been reading this as "You must cite two ''novel'' phantoms", but Doctor Phineas Crank pointed out that Rule 2 doesn't actually say that. What's the intention here? Is it all right to cite phantoms that have already been created (but not defined)? --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Your required per turn phantoms citations may be existing phantoms, brand new phantoms, or a mixture of both. The lack of "novel" innuendo in Rule 2 was intentional, and the "Example of Play" on the main page also reflects this. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:17, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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The way I am given to understand it is this is "forward-only" citations. It isn't retroactively enforced. Meaning: if you cite a phantom that someone else created then - later on down the alphabet - define that term, you have not violated the self-citation rule. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 16:27, 20 Dec 2004 (EST)<br />
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Correct. The rule is intended only for ''original'' creation and citation - citing another entry or phantom NOT created by you does not count towards Rule 3, which states "Scholars shall neither cite themselves (('''in their required per-turn citations''')), nor write phantoms they were the '''first''' to cite." (emphasis and clarification mine). --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 00:17, 21 Dec 2004 (EST)<br />
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===What happens about linking to widely-used terms?===<br />
It may often be the case that terms are used throughout the dictionary that are not cited initially: you're allowed to invent people, places, etc. that you don't actually cite a reference for. That means that later in the game, people can write about these people, and references can be strewn across the wiki that don't actively ''link'' to the phantom. How is the person to be able to research the references? The general rule of thumb is that when you create a term that you know has been mentioned elsewhere, either you go about looking for existing references and link them, or the admins do it for you. [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 22:33, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Comments, Questions, Complaints?==<br />
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===Alternate Reality vs. Fictional World===<br />
Hello people. This looks like a nice game- but I think I got the rules a little wrong in my enthusiasm to get started, entry: anabiscot) by putting more "phantoms" into my entry than were asked for, and by fleshing one or two of them out. I find it impossible to backtrack on the fleshing out, and so a) don't know what to do about them, as I don't want to upeset anyone by not having strictly observed the rules for the first turn and b) wonder whether clearer guidance to newcomers is needed if this isn't to be a closed shop just for oldophytes --[[User:Ginestre|Ginestre]] 05:28, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Ginestre: we're open to newcomers, definitely. As for the rules, check out #1: "Scholars ... write one entry per turn" and then #2: "Entries shall cite two phantom entries". I've deleted all your out of turn entries, so there's no worries there (to return an entry to a phantom, just click the "delete" button as opposed to "edit", and give a reason for the deletion). Let me know which part of the rules initially confused you. We'll be adding an "Example of a Turn" to the main page shortly. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:41, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Finally, and sadly, I've deleted your Anabiscot entry for being too much of an "Earth-parody". It, ultimately, looked like a school term paper that was revised to include "made up" words as opposed to their Earthen counterparts (as seen in your revising of "England" to "Ghyll", and the inclusion of Christian, Protestant, University of Helsinki, etc., etc.). Based on your timpstamps, I can appreciate how this deletion must look compared to your two hours of editing. But, it's really not the sort of material we're looking for. Think "when we crossed the threshold, I hit my new bride's head on the door jamb, and in her ensuing mental insanity, she described something that'd sounds just like Ghyll's [NameOfEntry]" as opposed to "What have I written already that I can modify for the game?" --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:41, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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The new entry on the EXAMPLE OF PLAY page is certainly much clearer than the previous offering, and is to be commended. Had that been there, I would not have stumbled as I did this morning. But the comment on my deleted entry "it's not really what we're looking for" is rather telling, and is telling me to be on my way nevertheless. "It, ultimately, looked like a school term paper..etc" also clearly reveals that you see your position as an empowered subeditor of sorts, who has the role of judging text quality; fair game -it's your server, you call the shots. But to this newcomer (a professional writer who wasted words this morning just for fun, and who hasn't written a term paper in over thirty years!) it nevertheless seems a great pity, because the game is a nice idea. Applying the wiki to what used to be called four-handed writing would allow the natural numerical limits of collaborative collective writing to over-bound. But in fact you're not open to newcomers at all, despite the protestations....but it was an interesting try.--[[User:Ginestre|Ginestre]] 17:49, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Ginestre: there's been a lot of off-wiki discussion about how this game should unfold, comprising nine months of a lot of arguing, a lot of ideas and scanty documentation, and a lot of ideas that it's going to be difficult to crystallise on the wiki quickly. I, personally, think that your entries were marvellous, but in the context of the direction that we're trying to develop for this wiki they're not <em>quite</em> what we're after. In other words, we're opening this up very much on the ground floor and trying to establish the past that we have, so you'll have to excuse the odd bit of seemingly baseless "oh no, that's not the way it should be done" banter. Imagine if you'd come into a game that's been running for nearly a year, and there were a lot of dedicated players and in-game jokes and conventions already. That basically <em>is</em> the situation here to some extent, we just haven't been able to document it properly yet, and we're also in a stage of "well, let's see what other people think". Some things are very much negotiable, and some aren't. Anyway, I hope that you'll consider still joining in and being patient with us as we work through this nascent stage, because I think your entries showed an enthusiasm and quality that it would be sad for us to miss out on. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 18:03, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I've sent Ginestre a longer email on the subject, but the distinction I made with my actions was one of "fictional world" versus "alternate reality." It was our intent for Ghyll to be a "fictional world", one that has little semblance to the "real" world, namely Earth. While we realize this can be an impossibility, as creativity is emboldened in what we know, we wanted to stay away from what we call an "Earth parody" - a world that has direct, obvious, and blatant parallels to our own - more of an "alternate reality" as opposed to "fictional world". LORD OF THE RINGS is a "fictional world", whereas the Sci-Fi show SLIDERS is an alternate reality, as are the TWILIGHT ZONE, THE OUTER LIMITS, and so forth. Which isn't to say that I'm against equivalency - in the early game, newspaper, magnetism, war, research organizations, basements, "flash lights/beacons", etc. already exist. But they're described in an environment of "fictional world" not "alternate reality". As for judging text or entry quality, honestly, I'd like to stay as far away from that as possible. Again, the distinction made with your entry was one of "Earth parody" and not "fictional world." --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:20, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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===Non-turn Activities===<br />
Morbus: What're we doing with respect to canonical but non-turn activities? There's the possibility of the Encyclopedants mailing out letters to all the scholars as you discussed, but did we talk about a per-turn summary too? I think it'd be helpful in that it'd make us analyse what's currently being worked on to ensure its consistency, as well as helping newcomers to the game and people who have been on holiday etc. It could be a collaborative effort between all the scholars who contributed to the first turn, and it might actually serve to clarify some of the intentions etc. behind the entries. I'm not sure what framework could be used to justify it in terms of the game itself though; perhaps the scholars all meet up in a F2F meeting somewhere in a different location per turn? We could order it as though it's meeting minutes: have a little abstract of the location that we met at, introduce some of the scholars, have dialogue, and then the main summary of what's been written. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 17:46, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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My personal in-game plan was, as you mention, the Encyclopedants - the people who are "funding" the encyclopedia and who "collate" the entries for "publication" (at the end of a turn). These Encyclopedants would serve as the "voice of cohesion", and really fill a void that the Ghyll Lexicon is missing: an existing backdrop to base entries on. Other Lexicons were based on existing worlds (Paranoia, Exalted, Nobilis), and thus, the "voice of cohesion" concerning stuff like dates, geography, races, etc. were the original books the games were derived from. There's none of that in Ghyll. For instance, sometime soon, the Encyclopedants will release a document, in-game, on how scholars should handle dates. This would be some sort of "Progress Report Issue 1", where # is the # of the turn in question. Ultimately, the topics discussed in these Progress Reports would be about the integrity of the encyclopedia itself: continuity errors, worrisome plot holes, and etc. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:36, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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As for a scholarly F2F, I like that idea, and I think the best way to approximate that would be a sort of "in-game" Lexicon discussion. The Encyclopedants could release a Progress Report detailing worries they're having, and other scholars could log their own complaints and concerns on the Progress Report page itself. This would keep everything centralized, and would be a more vocal, less-controlled [[Current events]] (a "current in-game events") page. I think it'd also be handy, upon reaching Z, for scholars and the Encyclopedants to prepare a personal "Final Report", discussing how they felt things went, what could be done better for the next Round, and so on and so forth. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:36, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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===A proposal to help simplify Ghyll administration===<br />
I was tracking down a lot of misreferenced links the other day (things like linking to 'Aelfant' instead of 'Aelfants'), and it occurred to me that a change in game mechanics would make this, and several other things, much simpler. Basically, the idea is that someone who creates a phantom should actually make a page for the phantom, which would just say "Phantomed by 'scholar name date'" and Category: Phantoms (as well as any other useful categories). By doing this, a red link becomes prima facie an error, and can be fixed as such by a scholar rather than by the overworked Encyclopedants. When the entry becomes real, it is removed from the phantom category, of course. This allows us to use some of Mediawiki's machinery more usefully. Comments? --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 10:45, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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It's fine for me. I'm sure I've been the cause of this more than once, so anything that helps is okay by me. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 11:37, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Sbp and I had this discussion a bit ago (though, I can't recall the talking points), but I actually find this change counter-intuitive: I feel it LESSENS the usefulness of the wiki, because we're breaking an entire feature: phantoms (or, as MW calls it, "Wantedpages"). It breaks the "Phantom popularity", it breaks the "Random page", it ruins the visual hinting of an entry ("ooh, ooh, I can't wait to dib that one!" as opposed to "<click>, dammit!, <click>, dammit!, <click>, woohoo!"), it breaks the Special:Allpages part of MW (as all phantoms are now all pages - they're not pages, they're wanted!), and so on and so forth. My ultimate feeling is that it breaks TOO much stuff to be considered useful, and we end up overloading another feature (Categories) to recreate something that already exists. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 12:40, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Concedo. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 13:40, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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===Other Threads===<br />
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====Players and Scholars as Canon====<br />
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Er, okay, so can we refer to our own characters as the inventors of something? By that I mean, if my character invented a new sight for the smooth-bore musket, could I make an entry based on that? --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 14:13, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Sure, there's nothing stopping you from doing that, but by making yourself an official part of the canon (as opposed to non-canon Scholar bios), you make yourself liable to follow other people's truths. It'd be possible to kill you off, and yadda yadda yadda. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:28, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Well, as long as I can make contributions from beyond the grave, or at least through posthumous notes, I might be okay with that. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 14:32, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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That is a danger I did not foresee. In the Bobby Shwarmph entry, I included a reference that incorporated Scholar Edward Schwarmph into the canon, assuming that since he phantomed the entry and that he studies a field linked closely to that covered by the magazine edited by the character he created with the same surname, they were related. If I put him in danger in the process, that was probably a breach of courtesy. While I suppose there is nothing stopping any of us from embarking on studies to be discovered after our deaths, there is probably a better way to handle this. A later entry could establish a conduit of communication with dead scholars and other Ghyllians, but then we wouldn't have to do research at all- we'd just get a soul who was there on the line to offer their take on things. I suggest we treat bios as canonical, and all characters are "in game," and hence fair game. Then, if a scholar is killed off and its player cares to continue, the player creates a successor- say a favored student or offspring -poised to continue the work. If players are non-canon, I should either delete the Edward reference in the Bobby Shwarmph entry, be referring to someone else entirely who coincidentally has the exact same name and job, or at least get my fellow scholar'a permission before something unfortunate occurs to him as a result of my entering him into canon without his express consent. --[[User:Bast ResNovae|Bast ResNovae]] 20:40, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Which brings me to another question- presuming events are unfolding in our world even as more entries are written, we might run into situations where an entry is obsolete or needs updating based on events that hadn't happened yet, or information only discovered after it was written. Therefore, should we be dating our entries to avoid confusion? (ie: last updated 0/09/1 EC by Bast ResNovae) --[[User:Bast ResNovae|Bast ResNovae]] 20:40, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Making scholar biographies canon is very dangerous as it distorts the flow of the game. Since the bios are not restricted by turn of gameplay, they can be updated at any moment, thus invalidating anything previously written about them. Similarly, any scholar could define a phantom, then write about it in their scholar bio, thus hedging the bets that their phantom, written by someone else, is ''exactly how they envisioned it''. One of the "fun" aspects of the game is seeing your ideas corrupted and perverted into something you've never dreamed of - allowing scholars to modify their biographies at any time (since they're non-turns) invalidates this aspect. Remember the intro to the game: ''you can argue vociferously with the interpretation and introduce new facts that shade the interpretation.'' Just because you've named Edward Shwarmph in an entry doesn't mean it's the exact same Edward as the scholar: it could be his twin, clone, doppelganger, or what have you. If your Edward dies, it is "truth", but that doesn't mean that a new fact can't be introduced that twists the truth into something else entirely. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 21:20, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Making scholars themselves canon is something that only the player playing the scholar should decide they want to do: roleplaying a character based on someone else's direction is another aspect (with its own measure of "fun") of a Lexicon that may be enjoyable to some: it should be a choice to the player whether they want to receive this direction, or if they'd like to fixate on their own vision. Making all scholars canon, and thus definable and modifiable by others, may be above and beyond what a player would like, resulting in a character they simply don't want to play. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 21:20, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Oh, I've opened a can of worms here. How does one propose a new rule? Perhaps the restriction of no new phantoms from a player's scholar's bio? Though, I'm in complete agreement that only players should be allowed to make their scholars canon. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 21:41, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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That is already a house rule actually - see the last paragraph of "How to Participate" on the main page. I've already removed a number of newly defined phantoms from various scholar pages. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 21:54, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Good point. Player Edward Shwarmph could, for example, be riding on the coattails of a more distinguished scholar of the saame name. Or be impersonating him. Or be a relative... or what have you. If he still has the ability to accept or reject the canonical identity as he chooses, I won't worry about it- I'll just leave it up to him.--[[User:Bast ResNovae|Bast ResNovae]] 23:26, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I reccomend that we maintain professional courtesy by verifying anything said about another scholar before putting it down. If you don't wish to make this policy, that is fine, but I myself shall probably put such an notion into practice.--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 10:47 $ March 2005 (PST)<br />
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====Multiple links to the same place====<br />
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I'm removing all links to the same place except the first (there might be some reason to make it other than the first, but I can't imagine it at the moment). Linking ''every'' instance of "Council" to the [[Council for Quezlarian Research]] is unnecessary and makes the page unaesthetic. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 02:45, 18 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I heartily disagree. It makes the page "unaesthetic" quote unquote because of their visual proximity to each other. But, in very long entries, like Bethany or the Bureau, linking only the first mention forces the user to scroll upwards to find a previous link, as opposed to "holding their place" and opening the link they just read in a new window or tab. I'd rather link everything for future usability, then link only the first and be distracted by a "lose the moment" treasure hunt to find the first reference to click on. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 08:42, 18 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I've got to agree with Morbus on this one. Hypertext means never having to say "but I digress." If a page appears too cluttered with links to the same term, that is probably an indication that it should be re-written with synonyms. I look forward to the day when we have a finished Ghyll Encyclopedia, where each entry is chock full of links to things that others have decided to phantom later. --[[User:Qwentyth Pyre|Qwentyth Pyre]] 20:05, 20 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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What I'm trying to discourage is this sort of thing (only somewhat exaggerated): "<nowiki>When [[Rambo Jones]] was born, [[Rambo Jones|he]] was under a prophecy that [[Rambo Jones|he]] would grow up to be [[Rambo Jones|the President]] of the [[Rambo Jones]] Society. [[Rambo Jones|He]] had [[Rambo Jones|his]] share of troubles, but [[Rambo Jones|he]] eventually did.</nowiki>" I agree with Morbus that in a very long article multiple links may be in order, but mechanically linking '''every''' reference, as above, is just maddening. I don't see how rewriting with synonyms would help, since the synonyms would just be linked -- under the preceding strategy -- to the same page in the end. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 10:17, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Well yes, that would just be silly. In your example I would link none of the "he/his/the president" but would link the two "Rambo Jones" proper name citations. Using "he/his/The President" is exactly what I meant by using synonyms. I wouldn't expect those synonyms to be links, but I would expect each proper name usage to be one. Just my opinion, of course. --[[User:Qwentyth Pyre|Qwentyth Pyre]] 18:34, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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====Correction of spelling and typos====<br />
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What is general etiquette on the correction of spelling and typos in entries other than mine? (not that either my spelling or typing is perfect, but I assume nobody objects if I correct myself)?<br />
--[[User:Ginestre|Ginestre]] 13:58, 5 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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If it's definitely an error, please go ahead and correct it! As long as you don't change the semantics of someone's entry, you can certainly change the syntax to make it easier to read, clearer, etc. Imagine you're correcting someone's English paper: you're not going to do their work for them, but you want to let them know that it's "i before e except after c and except in wierd words such as weird". --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 14:09, 5 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Useful Resources==<br />
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You can use this [http://www.fourteenminutes.com/fun/words/ random word generator] to generate entry names that begin with a specified pair of letters. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 17:07, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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You may also make use of generators found here [http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~pound/ Chris Pound's Name Generation Page], particularly, [http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~pound/#werd werd], for names. (Look for the examples of Victorian English names.)<br />
--[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 14:01, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Not to toot my own horn, but, well, I'm tooting my own horn. Need a "good" name for someone in the Encyclopedia? Try [http://www.fantasist.net/funnynames.shtml The Funny Name Generator], by yours truly.<br />
--[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 17:31, 14 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Proposal for dealing with people who dib but don't complete==<br />
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[I think that] some sort of nominal "punishment" for dibbing an entry but not following through on it is appropriate. At the very least, being forced to sit out a turn seems appropriate. Or, perhaps, not being able to create new phantoms for one or two turns is an alternative. With the rate of players dropping out, the burden of phantoms seems to have gotten rather restrictive. I had a neat idea for an "E" entry that was not possible due to low dib rates. I think some of that might get cleared up by a "punishment" restricting the new phantoms a suprious dibber might make. Just a thought. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 15:43, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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--moved here by [[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 17:16, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I think the ability to join at any time also implies the ability to leave at any time. We need to remember this wiki is only ever going to reflect what we put into it. There are people out there in the ether who will trip over this wiki and think it would be fun to join. They'll dib an entry and then a couple of days later forget it beause they have found something else interesting. There is no way we can stop it from happening and I would personally be happier with undefined phantoms than poor entries. Instead of punishments, what about allowing rewards - what if people who have play some number (x) rounds completely can dib an entry and if they wish, add a second entry? Like Doctor Crank, I had a neat entry that I needed to drop to complete a phantom. Despite this, I would rather the game, its participants and it general feel remains friendly and open. I think this is more likely to attract new payers. If there are public displays of punishment or ridicule, new people are less likely to join in. My 2c worth. --[[User:Dok|Dok]] 17:12, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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--moved here by [[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 17:19, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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An interesting proposal, to be sure, however I think a stick is needed just as much as a carrot. Better to skip a turn than to dib something and not follow through on it. That dib, after all, could prevent someone else from participating who had an idea for that phantom. I like the idea of a reward system for long term participants, however, that gets a bit sticky as well. Personally, I intend to make it through at least one full turn, no matter what I have to dib, to keep things rolling, so, for me, it's now a simple matter of pride. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 17:41, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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It would sure be sad to exclude folks for any reason- if you dib and then don't follow through, maybe it's because you just had a baby or were unexpectedly elected for public office or were attacked by a land shark or whatever. I'm for leaving things as they are, with the understanding that it's kinda rude to dib something and then just leave it hanging.<br />
--[[User:Joe Bowers|Joe Bowers]] 09:42, 5 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Gameplay Change Voting==<br />
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===Time For Turn Changes===<br />
What time should the deadline occur?<br />
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24:00 GMT --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 19:47, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT) (available from 23:00-5:00 GMT)<br />
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I'm against asking for suggestions BESIDES a simple conversion to GMT. Getting 10 to 15 opinions on the best time for them will merely create a secondary vote of "here are the favored three, pick your best", and then people feeling annoyed that their time wasn't chosen. '''Please merely vote on a midnight-EST-to-GMT-instead only (ie. 7pm EST).''' --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:25, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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The preferred value is the only one that really counts, the other values are just there so the talliers can see if the final decision is going to exclude too many people. I guess I should have made that more clear. (Which is what I'm attempting now.) --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 19:47, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
Since we are appearing to use EDT, would someone please tel me what time zone that is? thanks.--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:50, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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===Length Of Turns===<br />
A week, 9 days if Morbus would let me. --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 19:47, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT) 19:06, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I'm against any sort of non-anniversary date (ie. an odd date like 9 days compared to "every second Friday" or "two weeks"). It's too much effort for people, myself included, to remember, and it'll just cause too many "arrgh, I thought this week was... " lamenting, and eventual maintenance headaches ("I thought this week was Thursday, so I was gonna write it then, but it was Wednesday, here's my entry, I know its late, please accept it, la la la!") --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:25, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Anniversary dates have the gigantic advantage of being easy to remember, but I find that a week is just a little too short, and the first turn (week and a half) was just a little too long. I'll live with the anniversary date of a week, but I still feel that 9 days is just right. --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 19:47, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I'm for the week. I find it a little short, but the pressure keeps me focused. If it were longer, I'd procrastinate too much and lose track of when I neede to complete my entry. --[[User:Dok|Dok]] 21:31, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Yep, I'm for the one-week turn, too. The odd numbers would throw me off. Also, a week is enough time if I'm paying attention, which I should be if I'm playing. Perhaps we should lengthen to two weeks during the holidays, though. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 22:44, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Spam Problem==<br />
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Is it possible to block submissions based on content? Most of these links being posted would be easy to check for, and you could display a nice message to go along with it. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 06:18, 13 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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How about just requiring someone to be logged in before they submit content. While presumably our spammerific visitors could quite happily create accounts, it would seem that they are unlikely to do so. Also, once they create an account, we can force them to submit encyclopedia entries. :-) --[[User:DrBacchus|DrBacchus]] 08:46, 22 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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My apologies - the "must be logged in" change happened either early this week or late last week, can't exactly remember. Shortly after doing so, we banned our first user <g>. It ''is'' a better solution, however. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:57, 22 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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[[Category:Lexicon]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=User:Morbus_Iff&diff=29731User:Morbus Iff2005-04-21T08:37:13Z<p>Theophenes: /* Morbus Iff, Ghyll Scholar */</p>
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<div>==Morbus Iff, Ghyll Scholar==<br />
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According to his recovered journals, Morbus Iff is "ethereally real and surreally not". Physically demented and officially demoted, this rogue scholar was once a member of the secretive [[Council for Quezlarian Research]] until he was found naked and covered in a brown fluid in some unremarkable civilian's basement. Although the [[Council for Quezlarian Research|Council]] won't reveal further details, they've suggested his work "deeply and perversely flawed" and have invalidated the research he performed for them. Exactly how he's making contributions to the Ghyll encyclopedia, or his current whereabouts, are unknown.<br />
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* The above is, of course, just another example of the jocose lies and half-malicious half-truths commonly associated with our good Morbus. It is an open secret among the scholarly community, after all, that he holds the position of Editor-in-chief with the Encyclopedia, and is responsible for the Mighty Stomp that ensures that low-quality contributions are excluded or swiftly removed. As for his location-- I ask you! Can anyone so readily findable by the simplest of searches be said to have "whereabouts unknown"? Try it for yourself, Gentle Reader. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 13:10, 11 Dec 2004 (EST)<br />
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* I thought that "whereabouts" was slang for those fashionable, or garish depending on your point of view, external undergarments that he's known to wear. What are his current whereabouts? Nobody knows because nobody wants to look. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 15:53, 12 Dec 2004 (EST)<br />
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* Another interesting componenet is his ability to help newer scholars in their quasi-noble efforts to enter into the field. I myself have found him to help me and give e a nudgein the right direction. The rumor that he has done more than nudge to certain clerical staff members remains an idiotic insinuation, as nothing has been proved in court.[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:37, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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==Morbus Iff, Person==<br />
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Creator of http://disobey.com/ and http://gamegrene.com/.<br /><br />
Professional writer, coder, blah blah. BOoORiRIiiing.<br />
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==Morbus Iff, Experimentation==<br />
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My [[/notepad]] contains oddness and experimentation of other game-by-wiki thingies.</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=User:Theophenes&diff=30175User:Theophenes2005-04-21T08:31:48Z<p>Theophenes: /* Theophenes, Ghyll Scholar */</p>
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<div>==Theophenes, Ghyll Scholar==<br />
Theophenes is a very brave, courageous, and curious Ghyllian. His [[Hive-Lord]] asked him the Question, "What is the greatest job of Ghyll?" He wandered around for about seven days, observing such things. He then publically,and unabashedly proclaimed that all jobs were equally important, as they were all interdependent upon one another. The pay is only relevant to difficulty and market forces, and had nothing to do with the actual importance of the duties.<br />
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It was after this Answer (record time for the specific [[Hive-Lord]] in question, who was known for his difficult questions) that he went into the business for scholars. His writings on intellectual dualism (that the universe is nothing more than a series of questions and answers, as are all duties of men) of which one quote is particularly popular:<br />
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:We all are posed questions and provide answers, which is what work is. The farmer asks if it will grow, and then receives his answer when he sells it to the merchant who asks and answers how much. The product of all questions is answers, as are the fruits of all labors. Scholars answer the most questions, and [[Hive-Lord]]s ask the most. The cycle is somewhat out of balance, but it matters not."<br />
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He has sinced joined the [[Brothers of the Lantern]], the Amalgamated Guild of Anaximancy, and the Theoalchemical Council, all of whom expelled him later on for violation of the rules for "proper decorum", which partially involved [[Ball Lightning Liqueur]] and [[Bethany Mboya]], as well as some other interesting... err... factors.<br />
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There are two skills for which Theophenes (Theo to his friends) is known for, the ability to expunge information from secret societies, and the abilitiy to write anything off as a business expense.<br />
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==Theophenes, Person==<br />
''No information is currently known about this player.''</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Round_2_discussion&diff=27640Ghyll:Round 2 discussion2005-04-21T08:26:22Z<p>Theophenes: /* THEME: None Whatsoever */</p>
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This is a page for Ghyll players to discuss what changes, if any, should be made during Round 2, since the letter Z is not too far away. Before we get into those discussions, we'll talk about what the End of Round 1 ''means'', and what will happen during that interim period between its end and Round 2's beginning. Players get to vote on all this. If you don't vote, you cede to Morbus, and he'll confuse you.<br />
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==Do you plan on playing regularly in Round 2?==<br />
Ultimately, we're looking for 5 to 10 regulars.<br />
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Yes. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:42, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br/><br />
Ditto. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 16:05, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br/><br />
Of course. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 02:32, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br/><br />
Unfortunately, no. The divorce and job change have created too much chaos in my life. I'll finish this round, but I cannot say when I'll be able to return. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 10:00, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT) <br /><br />
: Sorry to hear that, Doctor Crank. You'll be missed. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]<br/><br />
:: Sniff, sniff. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:28, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br/><br />
New player, I'll be here! --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 17:09, 16 Apr 2005 (CST) <br/><br />
I'm new but I definitly want to be in on the next round --[[User:xfalselogicx|Jonathon Howard]] 18:09, 20 Apr 2005<br />
I'm in for most of it, seeing as I'll be out of school then. Wish me luck on the job hunt though.[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:16, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
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==Between Rounds==<br />
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A few people have noticed the natural tendency of a Lexicon to have its earliest entries "outdated" by the time you get into the mid- or end- game. For instance, we know a bit more about [[Ghyllian reproduction]], a little more about ''this'', and a lot more about ''that''. An in-game solution proposed by [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] seemed to also be plausible out of game. Basically, since Round 1 is a "formalized" attempt by the Encyclopedants to create an Encyclopedia, Round 1 could be considered a "First Edition Draft" of the Encyclopedia. Round 2, on the other hand, would be a "Second Edition Draft" and so on. Thus, the time between Round 1 and Round 2 would be used to edit, fix and enhance any and all previous entries.<br />
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===Allow a two week period between rounds===<br />
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.<br />
* Finish up any discussions on this page.<br />
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.<br />
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.<br />
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YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]]<br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===<br />
* One edit per turn to ANY entry, in addition to regular round rules.<br />
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.<br />
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]]<br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
==Rule Changes==<br />
<br />
* '''WHOOPS''' are from the original Lexicon: an RPG and were (accidentally) missed.<br />
* '''HOUSE''' rules are specific to Ghyll only, and tweak the rules to our conditions.<br />
<br />
===WHOOPS: New phantoms must start with an upcoming letter in the current round===<br />
<br />
I've (Morbus) deleted the previous discussion here, and have reconsidered this rule. Whilst I still think this would be ''useful'' in enforcing "themed" rounds ('this round will only talk about things from the [[cactus forests]]'), I feel that the raw intent behind this WHOOPS (and the next) were based on the game ending at letter Z (where there'd be no "going back" to write remaining phantoms). Since we've already HOUSE'd "this game will run forever", rules that increase constriction and a "definite finish" are detrimental.<br />
<br />
===WHOOPS: Phantoms per letter may not exceed average number of players===<br />
<br />
I've (Morbus) deleted the previous discussion here, and have reconsidered this rule. No one wants to run around and be a "EDIT YOUR ENTRY!" whore, especially when we've all got short amounts of time already. The raw intent behind this WHOOPS (and the previous) were based on the game ending at letter Z (where there'd be no "going back" to write remaining phantoms). Since we've already HOUSE'd "this game will run forever", rules that increase constriction and a "definite finish" are detrimental. Anyways, we can always do emergency "two entries per letter" as we did for this round's S and T.<br />
<br />
===HOUSE: LMNOP are speed turns; one turn per day===<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]<br />
<br />NAY: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:Clsn|clsn]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]<br />
<br />
I'd just have to bow out. And why "LMNOP" specifically? --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 00:47, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
: In the alphabet song, they're said really fast. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 07:21, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
Yeah, I'd be way, way too busy to do a "speed" turn of any kind, so I'd just skip. Which may be okay with you all, considering how lame some of my entries have been lately. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 09:07, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Actually doing a speed turn isn't really tough if you pre-write one or two entries. All of the cross-linking to Index, Phantoms, and other pages can be done later, writing the entries themselves is the tough part. LMNOP just seemed like a "cute" place to do it in the round. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 12:44, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
::Yes, well, that presupposes that we have time to prewrite entries and then edit them. That wouldn't be the case with me. Of course, I committed to a single round and then dropping in as I have time, so, I can certainly skip the speed round. NBD. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 16:41, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
I'd probably skip it as well, as I'm doing now: whenever it seems I can do one, I do. OTOH, the whole [[Rod of Quiends]] entry was a one-day inspiration. --[[User:Clsn|clsn]] 17:55, 10 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
===HOUSE: Of your two phantom citations, only one can be new===<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]],<br />
<br />YEA: [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Clsn|clsn]]<br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
===HOUSE: Turn challenges inspired by Kaleidoscope===<br />
<br />
More information at http://kevan.org/kaleido?faq, and some challenges at http://kevan.org/kaleido. Could be really simple (random global enhancement per turn, optional participation) or complicated (those who take the challenge get points, points can be traded in for multiple entries per turn, specific-scholar "attacks", etc.)<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]]<br />
<br />NAY: [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]]<br />
<br />
I'd yay it if it were totally optional, and didn't see it much. Newbies really don't need another thing to learn, and the points themselves could cause conflict. --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 10:28, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:It is, by its nature, optional. You can continue to play as you already are without taking any of the challenges. But this also offers an incentive to do certain things in the game or to fill certain needs of the Encyclopedia. And I know *I* was looking for a way to do more than the one-letter-per-turn play (just because I am an overachiever). --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 12:44, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
===HOUSE: Rule of A: Scholars may always write new, non-phantom, turn A entries===<br />
<br />
The goal is to ensure that every round has a "fresh start" with new branches of story. By not requiring a phantom to be defined for letter 'A' (regardless of leftover phantoms from previous rounds), we're always "starting" fresh with new, as opposed to already established, content. Of course, Truth from previous rounds must still be accepted as such.<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]]<br />
<br />NAY: <br />
<br />
As long as we aren't ''forced'' to take one, I'm good with this. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 16:42, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
: I like the idea of encouraging occasional "fresh" ideas even when there are some "old" ones waiting, but why restrict it to A's? I know, I know, we can't make it totally unrestricted or we'll never get phantoms defined, but why is it only A that gets to be creative? I think I'd rather something like "Each player is allowed <i>k</i> new non-phantom entries (when there are phantoms of that letter) per round," for some small <i>k</i> (say, k=1). Or almost equivalently (but more flexible), "You can define a new non-phantom (when there are phantoms of that letter) if it's been at least 26 letters since the last time you did it." (or maybe something larger than 26, or whatever). --[[User:Clsn|clsn]] 17:55, 10 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: Too much record-keeping. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:13, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==Round 2 Themes==<br />
<br />
The original Lexicon post suggests there should be a theme and goal to the entries being written. Since Ghyll, as a world, didn't exist, there was no theme to Round 1: it was ultimately "make a world". What follows are possible themes for Round 2. Alternatively, we can continue to play with no themes. These themes were written very quickly and loosely; any winner will be redefined "in-game" by the 'pedants.<br />
<br />
===THEME: None Whatsoever===<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]], [[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]]<br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
I think it would be wise to allow scholarly independence to reign. Quite frankly, two of these tasks are too specific to require a majority of our attention. the Hive-lord one is a essentially so random that scholarly preference would probably overtake it anyhow.[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:26, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
<br />
===THEME: Hive-Lord Surprise===<br />
<br />
Three (or more, total) [[Hive-Lord]] Questions would be created/asked during the letter A turn of Round 2, and each entry thereafter would attempt to relate, answer, or deepen the search for the Answer to one (or some, or all) of those Questions. The entry need not contain blatant or plainly obvious linkages. At the end of the Round, our "End of Year" reports would put forth what each individual scholar thought was the Answer to each Question (and should enlighten everyone with explanations of any non-blatant entries per the previous sentence.)<br />
<br />
YEA: <br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
===THEME: Doggerel Infection===<br />
<br />
[[Doggerel plague]] victims have been searching desperately for ways of spreading their illness (writing, botanical infection, etc.). Have they figured something out? Has the infection somehow gotten in the water? Did a public and respected speaker get infected, only to become a Prize Spreader? Did they take over the recently moved Iganefta Recorder publishing facilities (now in [[Folktown]]) due to lax security? How do you stop them? Ignorance won't work anymore as they've become experts at whispering nothings into your ear while you sleep. How d'ya stop 'em?<br />
<br />
YEA: <br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
===THEME: EctoMechanauts Rights Now!===<br />
<br />
Are alchemical intelligences truly intelligent, with feelings and concerns? Do they bleed or dream of electronic sheep? Do [[EctoMechanauts]] go rogue or be reprogrammed? Do they have charisma, to inspire likeminded (un?)souls? And what of [[EUPHORIA]]? Have they become so incensed over the treatment of their mechanical friends to move to violence? Increased recruitment drives? Deafening riots? Can corporate piracy of manufacturing trade secrets spell the end of an aged family business?<br />
<br />
YEA: <br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
==My Entry's Done. Now What?==<br />
<br />
I'd like to find a way to make entries ''out of turn'' occasionally. I know there is [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]] and that such things do happen, but I wondered if there might be a way to "earn" an out of sequence letter by doing something in-game. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 19:31, 28 Jan 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:I don't like this one. Stott is a hack for dealing with certain kinds of problems, and if he gets overused, he becomes uninteresting. (I'd be happy if he was *really* never used again.) I think the letters and the turns are the main thing that keeps Ghyll from becoming a free-for-all where whoever writes first and most wins. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 13:29, 30 Jan 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:I hate to say it, but I agree with Mr. Cowan on this. Old Stott was a very, very generous concession made to an entry I'd worked up that was a parody of the History of the Necronomicon. I was crying about how fun it would have been to get it in after all the work I'd done and a kind soul took pity on me, thus was [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]] born. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 09:14, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
As I mentioned above, this was a suggestion that is closely tied to the "challenges". Even if it allows me to make two entries in a turn (by collecting 30 points say) or allows me to do something ''outside'' the normal game play then that is an incentive enough for me. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 12:44, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Round_2_discussion&diff=27639Ghyll:Round 2 discussion2005-04-21T08:16:06Z<p>Theophenes: /* Do you plan on playing regularly in Round 2? */</p>
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<div>__TOC__<br />
<br />
This is a page for Ghyll players to discuss what changes, if any, should be made during Round 2, since the letter Z is not too far away. Before we get into those discussions, we'll talk about what the End of Round 1 ''means'', and what will happen during that interim period between its end and Round 2's beginning. Players get to vote on all this. If you don't vote, you cede to Morbus, and he'll confuse you.<br />
<br />
==Do you plan on playing regularly in Round 2?==<br />
Ultimately, we're looking for 5 to 10 regulars.<br />
<br />
Yes. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:42, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br/><br />
Ditto. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 16:05, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br/><br />
Of course. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 02:32, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br/><br />
Unfortunately, no. The divorce and job change have created too much chaos in my life. I'll finish this round, but I cannot say when I'll be able to return. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 10:00, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT) <br /><br />
: Sorry to hear that, Doctor Crank. You'll be missed. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]<br/><br />
:: Sniff, sniff. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:28, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br/><br />
New player, I'll be here! --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 17:09, 16 Apr 2005 (CST) <br/><br />
I'm new but I definitly want to be in on the next round --[[User:xfalselogicx|Jonathon Howard]] 18:09, 20 Apr 2005<br />
I'm in for most of it, seeing as I'll be out of school then. Wish me luck on the job hunt though.[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:16, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==Between Rounds==<br />
<br />
A few people have noticed the natural tendency of a Lexicon to have its earliest entries "outdated" by the time you get into the mid- or end- game. For instance, we know a bit more about [[Ghyllian reproduction]], a little more about ''this'', and a lot more about ''that''. An in-game solution proposed by [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] seemed to also be plausible out of game. Basically, since Round 1 is a "formalized" attempt by the Encyclopedants to create an Encyclopedia, Round 1 could be considered a "First Edition Draft" of the Encyclopedia. Round 2, on the other hand, would be a "Second Edition Draft" and so on. Thus, the time between Round 1 and Round 2 would be used to edit, fix and enhance any and all previous entries.<br />
<br />
===Allow a two week period between rounds===<br />
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.<br />
* Finish up any discussions on this page.<br />
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.<br />
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]]<br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===<br />
* One edit per turn to ANY entry, in addition to regular round rules.<br />
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.<br />
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]]<br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
==Rule Changes==<br />
<br />
* '''WHOOPS''' are from the original Lexicon: an RPG and were (accidentally) missed.<br />
* '''HOUSE''' rules are specific to Ghyll only, and tweak the rules to our conditions.<br />
<br />
===WHOOPS: New phantoms must start with an upcoming letter in the current round===<br />
<br />
I've (Morbus) deleted the previous discussion here, and have reconsidered this rule. Whilst I still think this would be ''useful'' in enforcing "themed" rounds ('this round will only talk about things from the [[cactus forests]]'), I feel that the raw intent behind this WHOOPS (and the next) were based on the game ending at letter Z (where there'd be no "going back" to write remaining phantoms). Since we've already HOUSE'd "this game will run forever", rules that increase constriction and a "definite finish" are detrimental.<br />
<br />
===WHOOPS: Phantoms per letter may not exceed average number of players===<br />
<br />
I've (Morbus) deleted the previous discussion here, and have reconsidered this rule. No one wants to run around and be a "EDIT YOUR ENTRY!" whore, especially when we've all got short amounts of time already. The raw intent behind this WHOOPS (and the previous) were based on the game ending at letter Z (where there'd be no "going back" to write remaining phantoms). Since we've already HOUSE'd "this game will run forever", rules that increase constriction and a "definite finish" are detrimental. Anyways, we can always do emergency "two entries per letter" as we did for this round's S and T.<br />
<br />
===HOUSE: LMNOP are speed turns; one turn per day===<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]<br />
<br />NAY: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:Clsn|clsn]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]<br />
<br />
I'd just have to bow out. And why "LMNOP" specifically? --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 00:47, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
: In the alphabet song, they're said really fast. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 07:21, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
Yeah, I'd be way, way too busy to do a "speed" turn of any kind, so I'd just skip. Which may be okay with you all, considering how lame some of my entries have been lately. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 09:07, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Actually doing a speed turn isn't really tough if you pre-write one or two entries. All of the cross-linking to Index, Phantoms, and other pages can be done later, writing the entries themselves is the tough part. LMNOP just seemed like a "cute" place to do it in the round. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 12:44, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
::Yes, well, that presupposes that we have time to prewrite entries and then edit them. That wouldn't be the case with me. Of course, I committed to a single round and then dropping in as I have time, so, I can certainly skip the speed round. NBD. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 16:41, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
I'd probably skip it as well, as I'm doing now: whenever it seems I can do one, I do. OTOH, the whole [[Rod of Quiends]] entry was a one-day inspiration. --[[User:Clsn|clsn]] 17:55, 10 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
===HOUSE: Of your two phantom citations, only one can be new===<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]],<br />
<br />YEA: [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Clsn|clsn]]<br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
===HOUSE: Turn challenges inspired by Kaleidoscope===<br />
<br />
More information at http://kevan.org/kaleido?faq, and some challenges at http://kevan.org/kaleido. Could be really simple (random global enhancement per turn, optional participation) or complicated (those who take the challenge get points, points can be traded in for multiple entries per turn, specific-scholar "attacks", etc.)<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]]<br />
<br />NAY: [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]]<br />
<br />
I'd yay it if it were totally optional, and didn't see it much. Newbies really don't need another thing to learn, and the points themselves could cause conflict. --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 10:28, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:It is, by its nature, optional. You can continue to play as you already are without taking any of the challenges. But this also offers an incentive to do certain things in the game or to fill certain needs of the Encyclopedia. And I know *I* was looking for a way to do more than the one-letter-per-turn play (just because I am an overachiever). --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 12:44, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
===HOUSE: Rule of A: Scholars may always write new, non-phantom, turn A entries===<br />
<br />
The goal is to ensure that every round has a "fresh start" with new branches of story. By not requiring a phantom to be defined for letter 'A' (regardless of leftover phantoms from previous rounds), we're always "starting" fresh with new, as opposed to already established, content. Of course, Truth from previous rounds must still be accepted as such.<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]]<br />
<br />NAY: <br />
<br />
As long as we aren't ''forced'' to take one, I'm good with this. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 16:42, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
: I like the idea of encouraging occasional "fresh" ideas even when there are some "old" ones waiting, but why restrict it to A's? I know, I know, we can't make it totally unrestricted or we'll never get phantoms defined, but why is it only A that gets to be creative? I think I'd rather something like "Each player is allowed <i>k</i> new non-phantom entries (when there are phantoms of that letter) per round," for some small <i>k</i> (say, k=1). Or almost equivalently (but more flexible), "You can define a new non-phantom (when there are phantoms of that letter) if it's been at least 26 letters since the last time you did it." (or maybe something larger than 26, or whatever). --[[User:Clsn|clsn]] 17:55, 10 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: Too much record-keeping. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:13, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)<br />
<br />
==Round 2 Themes==<br />
<br />
The original Lexicon post suggests there should be a theme and goal to the entries being written. Since Ghyll, as a world, didn't exist, there was no theme to Round 1: it was ultimately "make a world". What follows are possible themes for Round 2. Alternatively, we can continue to play with no themes. These themes were written very quickly and loosely; any winner will be redefined "in-game" by the 'pedants.<br />
<br />
===THEME: None Whatsoever===<br />
<br />
YEA: [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]]<br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
===THEME: Hive-Lord Surprise===<br />
<br />
Three (or more, total) [[Hive-Lord]] Questions would be created/asked during the letter A turn of Round 2, and each entry thereafter would attempt to relate, answer, or deepen the search for the Answer to one (or some, or all) of those Questions. The entry need not contain blatant or plainly obvious linkages. At the end of the Round, our "End of Year" reports would put forth what each individual scholar thought was the Answer to each Question (and should enlighten everyone with explanations of any non-blatant entries per the previous sentence.)<br />
<br />
YEA: <br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
===THEME: Doggerel Infection===<br />
<br />
[[Doggerel plague]] victims have been searching desperately for ways of spreading their illness (writing, botanical infection, etc.). Have they figured something out? Has the infection somehow gotten in the water? Did a public and respected speaker get infected, only to become a Prize Spreader? Did they take over the recently moved Iganefta Recorder publishing facilities (now in [[Folktown]]) due to lax security? How do you stop them? Ignorance won't work anymore as they've become experts at whispering nothings into your ear while you sleep. How d'ya stop 'em?<br />
<br />
YEA: <br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
===THEME: EctoMechanauts Rights Now!===<br />
<br />
Are alchemical intelligences truly intelligent, with feelings and concerns? Do they bleed or dream of electronic sheep? Do [[EctoMechanauts]] go rogue or be reprogrammed? Do they have charisma, to inspire likeminded (un?)souls? And what of [[EUPHORIA]]? Have they become so incensed over the treatment of their mechanical friends to move to violence? Increased recruitment drives? Deafening riots? Can corporate piracy of manufacturing trade secrets spell the end of an aged family business?<br />
<br />
YEA: <br />
<br />NAY:<br />
<br />
==My Entry's Done. Now What?==<br />
<br />
I'd like to find a way to make entries ''out of turn'' occasionally. I know there is [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]] and that such things do happen, but I wondered if there might be a way to "earn" an out of sequence letter by doing something in-game. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 19:31, 28 Jan 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:I don't like this one. Stott is a hack for dealing with certain kinds of problems, and if he gets overused, he becomes uninteresting. (I'd be happy if he was *really* never used again.) I think the letters and the turns are the main thing that keeps Ghyll from becoming a free-for-all where whoever writes first and most wins. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 13:29, 30 Jan 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
:I hate to say it, but I agree with Mr. Cowan on this. Old Stott was a very, very generous concession made to an entry I'd worked up that was a parody of the History of the Necronomicon. I was crying about how fun it would have been to get it in after all the work I'd done and a kind soul took pity on me, thus was [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]] born. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 09:14, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)<br />
<br />
As I mentioned above, this was a suggestion that is closely tied to the "challenges". Even if it allows me to make two entries in a turn (by collecting 30 points say) or allows me to do something ''outside'' the normal game play then that is an incentive enough for me. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 12:44, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=User:Theophenes&diff=30173User:Theophenes2005-04-08T22:13:47Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>Theophenes, like most members of the encyclopedants is a very brave, courageous, and curious Ghyllian. His Hive-Lord asked him the question, "What is the greatest job of Ghyll?" He wandered around for about seven days, observing such things. He then publically,and unabashedly proclaimed that all jobs were equally important, as they were all interdependent upon one another. The pay is only relevant to difficulty and market forces, and had nothinig to do with the actual importance of the duties.<br />
<br />
It was after this answer (record time for the specific Hive-Lord in question, who was known for hhis difficult questions) that he went into the business for scholars. His writings on intellectual dualism (that the universe is nothing more than a series of questions and answers, as are all duties of men.) of which one quote is particularly popular:<br />
<br />
"We all are posed questions and provide answers, which is what work is. The farmer asks if it will grow, and then receives his answer when he sells it to the erchant who asks and answers how much. The product of all questions is answers, as are the fruits of all labors. Scholars answer the most questions, and Heive-lords ask the most. The cycle is somewhat out of balance, but it matters not."<br />
<br />
He has sinced joined the brothers of tghe Lantern, the amalgamated guild of Anaximancy,and the Theoalchemical council, al of whom expelled him later on for violation of the rules of "proper decorum" which partially involved Ball Lightning Liquer and Behtany Mboya, as well as some other interesting...err...factors.</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Darkened_Lantern&diff=23576Ghyll:Darkened Lantern2005-04-08T20:39:38Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
<hr />
<div>All names of sources in this report are false, the reason for obscuring my sources not to avoid documentation, but rather to ensure the safety of my sources, as they have broken many rules of secrecy with the elders of the [[Brothers of the Lantern]]. It must also be known that I myself was put in slight risk, there was one attempt on my life this week as a result of my research(however, in hindsight it should be actively considered that I was very drunk at the time and research involved this lovely young....er, nevermind).<br />
<br />
"The incident of the Darkened Lantern, as it were, is mainly consistent of a moral conundrum, which is admittedly not novel for the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood.]] It must then be realized that although this was one that lacked a definitive answer, as do most of the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]'s favorite questions, it must then be realized that the difficulty lied neither in the question nor the answer, but that a situation demanded an immediate, and simple response, which was what was really so dangerous about it."--Bikari Smallwood.<br />
<br />
The argument in question was whether alchemical intelligence (abbreviated A.Int. by most people in the field) in [[EctoMechanauts]] was capable of contemplating the spiritual. It must be noted that Ghyllians abroad sought this question in interest after the death of Bolma Knengsken-Drasselmeyer died shortly after attempting to sneak into the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] factories of FMC in order to answer this question when his hive-lord posed it to him. He left babbling madly in police custody and then completely disappeared. The hive-lord shortly disappeared afterwards in equally strenuous circumstances. After this, the question became quite popular, especially amongst [[Euphoria| Ectomechanaut Use Protestors Horrified at Obvious Racketeering of Intelligent Alchentities]] (the common definition of objects with any form of alchemical life energy), more commonly known as [[EUPHORIA]]. This is commonly known, and occurred in -37 [[EC]]<br />
<br />
"The brotherhood often meditated on this question and created multiple answers, the incident that occurred afterwards is very important. An [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] with a skeletal frame of what is believed to have been ghoulwood, known to us as Narthcuhgylliandonelfherendkeflugen (his serial production number was scratched out, and multiple sources says that this is an ancient Alezanian lesser deity, thus the strangeness therein), attempted to join the Brotherhood in -22 [[EC]]"--Dentyl Cane. <br />
<br />
"No one really knows who said what. A debate by the usual factions was formed. It is known that the arguments on both were complicated enough to drive men mad. The arguments came to the point where it led to the incident."—“Salty” Gibbons<br />
<br />
“The eventual event ended in the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] being accepted. When he was inititiated by having the light of the great darseed oil lantern shone upon him (A secret rite of ancient times, perhaps older than the Brotherhood themselves according to most [[Occultologists]],), the light was black instead of white. This is because someone replaced the darseed oil with [[Quezlar's Quaff, Inc.|Quezlar's Quaff]] boiled into a gelatinous substance. The ectomechanaut disappeared when the dark beam hit him. We don’t know as to why, and we did not feel brave enough to test this beam on someone else.”--Jermaine Loweltree 78th.<br />
<br />
“We also do not know who did it, despite multiple investigations, and numerous anonymous tips, we have yet to find the guilty party. Some theorize that it was the pranksters who had been painting luminescent vandalism on our walls. Others believe that it was none other than the illustrious Brother who had championed his not being accepted into the order, and others believed that it was merely an error caused by a mislabelling of boxes.”—Marque Cho’gall<br />
<br />
Police reports are as follows:<br />
“Photographic studies and internal design schemata proved that the Alchentity in question was quite possibly Thomas, the technically first known sentient [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]]. The scratched out serial number was probably his creator’s signature, which was scratched off, seeing as he didn’t have a serial number. If found, he is still wanted for questioning in the events concerning his creator’s death.” Detective Bernhard Lenhork.<br />
<br />
It has been said by many witnesses that there was no trace of him left, and he did not appear to be in pain when the beam hit him. Some witnesses claimed that he smiled. It is a proposed theory that he set up the beam, and it did not kill him, but moved him somewhere else. Others claim that he wished to die, because he knew what he had done, most likely attempting to implay that he killed his master.<br />
<br />
As to whether or not the brotherhood has been able to find out about the creation of [[EctoMechanauts]] (supposedly a major part of their decision to accept the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] into the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]), those who did investigate, have all since died except for two, both of whom have gone mentally insane and are now currently living in the [[Zyrgian Asylum| Zyrgian Asylum for the Mildly Mad]].<br />
<br />
Citations: [[Zyrgian Asylum]], [[EUPHORIA]], [[ectomechanaut]], [[Quezlar's Quaff, Inc.]]<br />
<br />
--[[Theophenes]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Darkened_Lantern&diff=23575Ghyll:Darkened Lantern2005-04-08T20:38:45Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
<hr />
<div>All names of sources in this report are false, the reason for obscuring my sources not to avoid documentation, but rather to ensure the safety of my sources, as they have broken many rules of secrecy with the elders of the [[Brothers of the Lantern]]. It must also be known that I myself was put in slight risk, there was one attempt on my life this week as a result of my research(however, in hindsight it should be actively considered that I was very drunk at the time and research involved this lovely young....er, nevermind).<br />
<br />
"The incident of the Darkened Lantern, as it were, is mainly consistent of a moral conundrum, which is admittedly not novel for the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood.]] It must then be realized that although this was one that lacked a definitive answer, as do most of the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]'s favorite questions, it must then be realized that the difficulty lied neither in the question nor the answer, but that a situation demanded an immediate, and simple response, which was what was really so dangerous about it."--Bikari Smallwood.<br />
<br />
The argument in question was whether alchemical intelligence (abbreviated A.Int. by most people in the field) in [[EctoMechanauts]] was capable of contemplating the spiritual. It must be noted that Ghyllians abroad sought this question in interest after the death of Bolma Knengsken-Drasselmeyer died shortly after attempting to sneak into the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] factories of FMC in order to answer this question when his hive-lord posed it to him. He left babbling madly in police custody and then completely disappeared. The hive-lord shortly disappeared afterwards in equally strenuous circumstances. After this, the question became quite popular, especially amongst [[Euphoria| Ectomechanaut Use Protestors Horrified at Obvious Racketeering of Intelligent Alchentities]] (the common definition of objects with any form of alchemical life energy), more commonly known as [[EUPHORIA]]. This is commonly known, and occurred in -37 [[EC]]<br />
<br />
"The brotherhood often meditated on this question and created multiple answers, the incident that occurred afterwards is very important. An [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] with a skeletal frame of what is believed to have been ghoulwood, known to us as Narthcuhgylliandonelfherendkeflugen (his serial production number was scratched out, and multiple sources says that this is an ancient Alezanian lesser deity, thus the strangeness therein), attempted to join the Brotherhood in -22 [[EC]]"--Dentyl Cane. <br />
<br />
"No one really knows who said what. A debate by the usual factions was formed. It is known that the arguments on both were complicated enough to drive men mad. The arguments came to the point where it led to the incident."—“Salty” Gibbons<br />
<br />
“The eventual event ended in the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] being accepted. When he was inititiated by having the light of the great darseed oil lantern shone upon him (A secret rite of ancient times, perhaps older than the Brotherhood themselves according to most [[Occultologists]],), the light was black instead of white. This is because someone replaced the darseed oil with [[Quezlar's Quaff, Inc.|Quezlar' Quaff]] boiled into a gelatinous substance. The ectomechanaut disappeared when the dark beam hit him. We don’t know as to why, and we did not feel brave enough to test this beam on someone else.”--Jermaine Loweltree 78th.<br />
<br />
“We also do not know who did it, despite multiple investigations, and numerous anonymous tips, we have yet to find the guilty party. Some theorize that it was the pranksters who had been painting luminescent vandalism on our walls. Others believe that it was none other than the illustrious Brother who had championed his not being accepted into the order, and others believed that it was merely an error caused by a mislabelling of boxes.”—Marque Cho’gall<br />
<br />
Police reports are as follows:<br />
“Photographic studies and internal design schemata proved that the Alchentity in question was quite possibly Thomas, the technically first known sentient [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]]. The scratched out serial number was probably his creator’s signature, which was scratched off, seeing as he didn’t have a serial number. If found, he is still wanted for questioning in the events concerning his creator’s death.” Detective Bernhard Lenhork.<br />
<br />
It has been said by many witnesses that there was no trace of him left, and he did not appear to be in pain when the beam hit him. Some witnesses claimed that he smiled. It is a proposed theory that he set up the beam, and it did not kill him, but moved him somewhere else. Others claim that he wished to die, because he knew what he had done, most likely attempting to implay that he killed his master.<br />
<br />
As to whether or not the brotherhood has been able to find out about the creation of [[EctoMechanauts]] (supposedly a major part of their decision to accept the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] into the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]), those who did investigate, have all since died except for two, both of whom have gone mentally insane and are now currently living in the [[Zyrgian Asylum| Zyrgian Asylum for the Mildly Mad]].<br />
<br />
Citations: [[Zyrgian Asylum]], [[EUPHORIA]], [[ectomechanaut]].<br />
<br />
--[[Theophenes]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Darkened_Lantern&diff=23574Ghyll:Darkened Lantern2005-04-08T20:31:41Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
<hr />
<div>All names of sources in this report are false, the reason for obscuring my sources not to avoid documentation, but rather to ensure the safety of my sources, as they have broken many rules of secrecy with the elders of the [[Brothers of the Lantern]]. It must also be known that I myself was put in slight risk, there was one attempt on my life this week as a result of my research(however, in hindsight it should be actively considered that I was very drunk at the time and research involved this lovely young....er, nevermind).<br />
<br />
"The incident of the Darkened Lantern, as it were, is mainly consistent of a moral conundrum, which is admittedly not novel for the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood.]] It must then be realized that although this was one that lacked a definitive answer, as do most of the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]'s favorite questions, it must then be realized that the difficulty lied neither in the question nor the answer, but that a situation demanded an immediate, and simple response, which was what was really so dangerous about it."--Bikari Smallwood.<br />
<br />
The argument in question was whether alchemical intelligence (abbreviated A.Int. by most people in the field) in [[EctoMechanauts]] was capable of contemplating the spiritual. It must be noted that Ghyllians abroad sought this question in interest after the death of Bolma Knengsken-Drasselmeyer died shortly after attempting to sneak into the [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]] factories of FMC in order to answer this question when his hive-lord posed it to him. He left babbling madly in police custody and then completely disappeared. The hive-lord shortly disappeared afterwards in equally strenuous circumstances. After this, the question became quite popular, especially amongst [[Euphoria| Ectomechanut Use Protestors Horrified at Obvious Racketeering of Intelligent Alchentities]] (the common definition of objects with any form of alchemical life energy), more commonly known as [[EUPHORIA]]. This is commonly known, and occurred in -37 [[EC]]<br />
<br />
"The brotherhood often meditated on this question and created multiple answers, the incident that occurred afterwards is very important. An [[EctoMechanuts|EctoMechanaut]] with a skeletal frame of what is believed to have been ghoulwood, known to us as Narthcuhgylliandonelfherendkeflugen (his serial production number was scratched out, and multiple sources says that this is an ancient Alezanian lesser deity, thus the strangeness therein), attempted to join the Brotherhood in -22 [[EC]]"--Dentyl Cane. <br />
<br />
"No one really knows who said what. A debate by the usual factions was formed. It is known that the arguments on both were complicated enough to drive men mad. The arguments came to the point where it led to the incident."—“Salty” Gibbons<br />
<br />
“The eventual event ended in the [[EctoMechanuts|EctoMechanaut]] being accepted. When he was inititiated by having the light of the great darseed oil lantern shone upon him (A secret rite of ancient times, perhaps older than the Brotherhood themselves according to most [[Occultologists]],), the light was black instead of white. This is because someone replaced the darseed oil with [[Quezlar]] Quaff boiled into a gelatinous substance. The ectomechanaut disappeared when the dark beam hit him. We don’t know as to why, and we did not feel brave enough to test this beam on someone else.”--Jermaine Loweltree 78th.<br />
<br />
“We also do not know who did it, despite multiple investigations, and numerous anonymous tips, we have yet to find the guilty party. Some theorize that it was the pranksters who had been painting luminescent vandalism on our walls. Others believe that it was none other than the illustrious Brother who had championed his not being accepted into the order, and others believed that it was merely an error caused by a mislabelling of boxes.”—Marque Cho’gall<br />
<br />
Police reports are as follows:<br />
“Photographic studies and internal design schemata proved that the Alchentity in question was quite possibly Thomas, the technically first known sentient [[EctoMechanuts|EctoMechanaut]]. The scratched out serial number was probably his creator’s signature, which was scratched off, seeing as he didn’t have a serial number. If found, he is still wanted for questioning in the events concerning his creator’s death.” Detective Bernhard Lenhork.<br />
<br />
It has been said by many witnesses that there was no trace of him left, and he did not appear to be in pain when the beam hit him. Some witnesses claimed that he smiled. It is a proposed theory that he set up the beam, and it did not kill him, but moved him somewhere else. Others claim that he wished to die, because he knew what he had done, most likely attempting to implay that he killed his master.<br />
<br />
As to whether or not the brotherhood has been able to find out about the creation of [[EctoMechanauts]] (supposedly a major part of their decision to accept the [[EctoMechanuts|EctoMechanaut]] into the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]), those who did investigate, have all since died except for two, both of whom have gone mentally insane and are now currently living in the [[Zyrgian Asylum| Zyrgian Asylum for the Mildly Mad]].<br />
<br />
Citations: [[Zyrgian Asylum]], [[EUPHORIA]], [[ectomechanaut]].<br />
<br />
--[[Theophenes]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Darkened_Lantern&diff=23573Ghyll:Darkened Lantern2005-04-08T20:26:42Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
<hr />
<div>All names of sources in this report are false, the reason for obscuring my sources not to avoid documentation, but rather to ensure the safety of my sources, as they have broken many rules of secrecy with the elders of the [[Brothers of the Lantern]]. It must also be known that I myself was put in slight risk, there was one attempt on my life this week as a result of my research(however, in hindsight it should be actively considered that I was very drunk at the time and research involved this lovely young....er, nevermind).<br />
<br />
"The incident of the Darkened Lantern, as it were, is mainly consistent of a moral conundrum, which is admittedly not novel for the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood.]] It must then be realized that although this was one that lacked a definitive answer, as do most of the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]'s favorite questions, it must then be realized that the difficulty lied neither in the question nor the answer, but that a situation demanded an immediate, and simple response, which was what was really so dangerous about it."--Bikari Smallwood.<br />
<br />
The argument in question was whether alchemical intelligence (abbreviated A.Int. by most people in the field) in [[EctoMechanaut]]s was capable of contemplating the spiritual. It must be noted that Ghyllians abroad sought this question in interest after the death of Bolma Knengsken-Drasselmeyer died shortly after attempting to sneak into the [[EctoMechanaut]] factories of FMC in order to answer this question when his hive-lord posed it to him. He left babbling madly in police custody and then completely disappeared. The hive-lord shortly disappeared afterwards in equally strenuous circumstances. After this, the question became quite popular, especially amongst [[Euphoria| Ectomechanut Use Protestors Horrified at Obvious Racketeering of Intelligent Alchentities]] (the common definition of objects with any form of alchemical life energy), more commonly known as [[EUPHORIA]]. This is commonly known, and occurred in -37 [[EC]]<br />
<br />
"The brotherhood often meditated on this question and created multiple answers, the incident that occurred afterwards is very important. An [[EctoMechanaut]] with a skeletal frame of what is believed to have been ghoulwood, known to us as Narthcuhgylliandonelfherendkeflugen (his serial production number was scratched out, and multiple sources says that this is an ancient Alezanian lesser deity, thus the strangeness therein), attempted to join the Brotherhood in -22 [[EC]]"--Dentyl Cane. <br />
<br />
"No one really knows who said what. A debate by the usual factions was formed. It is known that the arguments on both were complicated enough to drive men mad. The arguments came to the point where it led to the incident."—“Salty” Gibbons<br />
<br />
“The eventual event ended in the [[EctoMechanaut]] being accepted. When he was inititiated by having the light of the great darseed oil lantern shone upon him (A secret rite of ancient times, perhaps older than the Brotherhood themselves according to most [[Occultologists]],), the light was black instead of white. This is because someone replaced the darseed oil with [[Quezlar]] Quaff boiled into a gelatinous substance. The ectomechanaut disappeared when the dark beam hit him. We don’t know as to why, and we did not feel brave enough to test this beam on someone else.”--Jermaine Loweltree 78th.<br />
<br />
“We also do not know who did it, despite multiple investigations, and numerous anonymous tips, we have yet to find the guilty party. Some theorize that it was the pranksters who had been painting luminescent vandalism on our walls. Others believe that it was none other than the illustrious Brother who had championed his not being accepted into the order, and others believed that it was merely an error caused by a mislabelling of boxes.”—Marque Cho’gall<br />
<br />
Police reports are as follows:<br />
“Photographic studies and internal design schemata proved that the Alchentity in question was quite possibly Thomas, the technically first known sentient [[EctoMechanaut]]. The scratched out serial number was probably his creator’s signature, which was scratched off, seeing as he didn’t have a serial number. If found, he is still wanted for questioning in the events concerning his creator’s death.” Detective Bernhard Lenhork.<br />
<br />
It has been said by many witnesses that there was no trace of him left, and he did not appear to be in pain when the beam hit him. Some witnesses claimed that he smiled. It is a proposed theory that he set up the beam, and it did not kill him, but moved him somewhere else. Others claim that he wished to die, because he knew what he had done, most likely attempting to implay that he killed his master.<br />
<br />
As to whether or not the brotherhood has been able to find out about the creation of [[EctoMechanauts]] (supposedly a major part of their decision to accept the [[EctoMechanaut]] into the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]), those who did investigate, have all since died except for two, both of whom have gone mentally insane and are now currently living in the [[Zyrgian Asylum| Zyrgian Asylum for the Mildly Mad]].<br />
<br />
Citations: [[Zyrgian Asylum]], [[EUPHORIA]], [[ectomechanaut]].<br />
<br />
--[[Theophenes]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Darkened_Lantern&diff=23572Ghyll:Darkened Lantern2005-04-08T20:19:21Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
<hr />
<div>All names of sources in this report are false, the reason for obscuring my sources not to avoid documentation, but rather to ensure the safety of my sources, as they have broken many rules of secrecy with the elders of the [[Brothers of the Lantern]]. It must also be known that I myself was put in slight risk, there was one attempt on my life this week as a result of my research(however, in hindsight it should be actively considered that I was very drunk at the time and research involved this lovely young....er, nevermind).<br />
<br />
"The incident of the Darkened Lantern, as it were, is mainly consistent of a moral conundrum, which is admittedly not novel for the [[Brothers of the lantern| Brotherhood.]] It must then be realized that although this was one that lacked a definitive answer, as do most of the [[Brothers of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]'s favorite questions, it must then be realized that the difficulty lied neither in the question nor the answer, but that a situation demanded an immediate, and simple response, which was what was really so dangerous about it."--Bikari Smallwood.<br />
<br />
The argument in question was whether alchemical intelligence (abbreviated A.Int. by most people in the field) in [[ectomechanaut]]s was capable of contemplating the spiritual. It must be noted that Ghyllians abroad sought this question in interest after the death of Bolma Knengsken-Drasselmeyer died shortly after attempting to sneak into the [[Ectomechanaut]] factories of FMC in order to answer this question when his hive-lord posed it to him. He left babbling madly in police custody and then completely disappeared. The hive-lord shortly disappeared afterwards in equally strenuous circumstances. After this, the question became quite popular, especially amongst [[Euphoria| Ectomechanut Use Protestors Horrified at Obvious Racketeering of Intelligent Alchentities]] (the common definition of objects with any form of alchemical life energy), more commonly known as [[EUPHORIA]]. This is commonly known, and occurred in -37 [[EC]]<br />
<br />
"The brotherhood often meditated on this question and created multiple answers, the incident that occurred afterwards is very important. An [[ectomechanaut]] with a skeletal frame of what is believed to have been ghoulwood, known to us as Narthcuhgylliandonelfherendkeflugen (his serial production number was scratched out, and multiple sources says that this is an ancient Alezanian lesser deity, thus the strangeness therein), attempted to join the Brotherhood in -22 [[EC]]"--Dentyl Cane. <br />
<br />
"No one really knows who said what. A debate by the usual factions was formed. It is known that the arguments on both were complikcated enough to drive men mad. The arguments came to the point where it led to the incident."—“Salty” Gibbons<br />
<br />
“The eventual event ended in the [[ectomechanaut]] being accepted. When he was inititiated by having the light of the great darseed oil lantern shone upon him (A secret rite of ancient times, perhaps older than the Brotherhood themselves according to most [[Occultologists]],), the light was black instead of white. This is because someone replaced the darseed oil with [[Quezlar]] Quaff boiled into a gelatinous substance. The ectomechanaut disappeared when the dark beam hit him. We don’t know as to why, and we did not feel brave enough to test this beam on someone else.”--Jermaine Loweltree 78th.<br />
<br />
“We also do not know who did it, despite multiple investigations, and numerous anonymous confessions, we have yet to find the guilty party. Some theorize that it was the pranksters who had been painting luminescent vandalism on our walls. Others believe that it was none other than the illustrious Brother who had championed his not being accepted into the order, and others believed that it was merely an error caused by a mislabelling of boxes.”—Marque Cho’gall<br />
<br />
Police reports are as follows:<br />
“Photographic studies and internal design schemata proved that the Alchentity in question was quite possibly Thomas, the technically first known sentient [[ectomechanaut]]. The scratched out serial number was probably his creator’s signature, which was scratched off, seeing as he didn’t have a serial number. If found, he is still wanted for questioning in the events concerning his creator’s death.” Detective Bernhard Lenhork.<br />
<br />
It has been said by many witnesses that there was no trace of him left, and he did not appear to be in pain when the beam hit him. Some witnesses claimed that he smiled. It is a proposed theory that he set up the beam, and it did not kill him, but moved him somewhere else. Others claim that he wished to die, because he knew what he had done, most likely attempting ti implay that he killed his master.<br />
<br />
As to whether or not the brotherhood has been able to find out about the creation of [[ectomechanauts]] (supposedly a major part of their decision to accept the [[ectomechanaut]] into the [[Brotherhood of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]), those who did investigate, have all since died except for two, both of whom have gone mentally insane and are now currently living in the [[Zyrgian Asylum| Zyrgian Asylum for the Mildly Mad]].<br />
<br />
Citations: [[Zyrgian Asylum]], [[EUPHORIA]], [[ectomechanaut]].<br />
<br />
--[[Theophenes]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Darkened_Lantern&diff=23571Ghyll:Darkened Lantern2005-04-08T20:14:13Z<p>Theophenes: If my HTML editing was wrong, I'm sorry, I happne to be very new to code!</p>
<hr />
<div>All names of sources in this report are false, the reason for obscuring my sources not to avoid documentation, but rather to ensure the safety of my sources, as they have broken many rules of secrecy with the elders of the [[Brotherhood of the Lantern]]. It must also be known that I myself was put in slight risk, there was one attempt on my life this week as a result of my research(however, in hindsight it should be actively considered that I was very drunk at the time and research involved this lovely young....er, nevermind).<br />
<br />
"The incident of the Darkened Lantern, as it were, is mainly consistent of a moral conundrum, which is admittedly not novel for the [[Brotherhood of the lantern| Brotherhood.]] It must then be realized that although this was one that lacked a definitive answer, as do most of the [[Brotherhood of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]'s favorite questions, it must then be realized that the difficulty lied neither in the question nor the answer, but that a situation demanded an immediate, and simple response, which was what was really so dangerous about it."--Bikari Smallwood.<br />
<br />
The argument in question was whether alchemical intelligence (abbreviated A.Int. by most people in the field) in [[ectomechanauts]] was capable of contemplating the spiritual. It must be noted that Ghyllians abroad sought this question in interest after the death of Bolma Knengsken-Drasselmeyer died shortly after attempting to sneak into the [[Ecto-mechanaut]] factories of FMC in order to answer this question when his hive-lord posed it to him. He left babbling madly in police custody and then completely disappeared. The hive-lord shortly disappeared afterwards in equally strenuous circumstances. After this, the question became quite popular, especially amongst [[Euphoria| Ectomechanut Use Protestors Horrified at Obvious Racketeering of Intelligent Alchentities]] (the common definition of objects with any form of alchemical life energy), more commonly known as [[EUPHORIA]]. This is commonly known, and occurred in -37 [[EC]]<br />
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"The brotherhood often meditated on this question and created multiple answers, the incident that occurred afterwards is very important. An ectomechanaut with a skeletal frame of what is believed to have been ghoulwood, known to us as Narthcuhgylliandonelfherendkeflugen (his serial production number was scratched out, and multiple sources says that this is an ancient Alezanian lesser deity, thus the strangeness therein), attempted to join the Brotherhood in -22 [[EC]]"--Dentyl Cane. <br />
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"No one really knows who said what. A debate by the usual factions was formed. It is known probable that the arguments on both were enough to drive men mad. The arguments came to the point where it led to the incident."—“Salty” Gibbons<br />
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“The eventual event ended in the [[ectomechanaut]] being accepted. When he was inititiated by having the light of the great darseed oil lantern shone upon him (A secret rite of ancient times, perhaps older than the Brotherhood themselves according to most [[Occultologists]],), the light was black instead of white. This is because someone replaced the darseed oil with [[Quezlar]] Quaff boiled into a gelatinous substance. The ectomechanaut disappeared when the dark beam hit him. We don’t know as to why, and we did not feel brave enough to test this beam on someone else.”--Jermaine Loweltree 78th.<br />
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“We also do not know who did it, despite multiple investigations, and numerous anonymous confessions, we have yet to find the guilty party. Some theorize that it was the pranksters who had been painting luminescent vandalism on our walls. Others believe that it was none other than the illustrious Brother who had championed his not being accepted into the order, and others believed that it was merely an error caused by a mislabelling of boxes.”—Marque Cho’gall<br />
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Police reports are as follows:<br />
“Photographic studies and internal design schemata proved that the Alchentity in question was quite possibly Thomas, the technically first known sentient [[ectomechanaut]]. The scratched out serial number was probably his creator’s signature, which was scratched off, seeing as he didn’t have a serial number. If found, he is still wanted for questioning in the events concerning his creator’s death.” Detective Bernhard Lenhork.<br />
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It has been said by many witnesses that there was no trace of him left, and he did not appear to be in pain when the beam hit him. Some witnesses claimed that he smiled. It is a proposed theory that he set up the beam, and it did not kill him, but moved him somewhere else. Others claim that he wished to die, because he knew what he had done, most likely attempting ti implay that he killed his master.<br />
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As to whether or not the brotherhood has been able to find out about the creation of [[ectomechanauts]] (supposedly a major part of their decision to accept the [[ectomechanaut]] into the [[Brotherhood of the Lantern| Brotherhood]]), those who did investigate, have all since died except for two, both of whom have gone mentally insane and are now currently living in the [[Zyrgian Asylum| Zyrgian Asylum for the Mildly Mad]].<br />
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Citations: [[Zyrgian Asylum]], [[EUPHORIA]], [[ectomechanaut]].<br />
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--[[Theophenes]]</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Brothers_of_the_Lantern&diff=22971Ghyll:Brothers of the Lantern2005-04-04T18:00:52Z<p>Theophenes: </p>
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<div>The '''Brothers of the Lantern''' are a famous school in the Eastern Province of the Dulalian Empire. The school originated in the obscure period before -200 {{EC}}. For the past century, they have specialized in the four classical subjects of theology, [[whingelism]], archaeology, and tonsorial art. The Brothers themselves are appointed for life after a series of rigorous physical, intellectual, moral, and gargarational tests, the nature of which is perhaps Ghyll's most profound (and coveted) secret. They are known by pseudonyms which they adopt, or perhaps are assigned, on appointment.<br />
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According to the testimony of such former students as Revelerax, students and Brothers jointly explore the relevance of such archetypal pairs as light/dark, male/female, déosil/widdershins, and honng/hongg to the theory, practice, practice of theory, and theory of practice of each subject.<br />
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The Brothers rarely publish their findings, but maintain a scholarly journal of occasional work by Brothers that has no apparent relevance to the classical subjects. A notorious example was the squib written by Brother Honuphrius in -46 {{EC}} denouncing the early and middle poems of [[Arariax]] for metrical incompetence and semantic triviality.<br />
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In popular belief, the Brothers are also responsible for maintaining a safely low (absolute) value of the [[heh-blammo balance]] throughout Ghyll. However, the organization refuses to either confirm or deny this claim, and scholarly opinion is likewise sharply divided. In the absence of material evidence, the question is likely to remain open for the foreseeable future.<br />
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'''Citations''': [[Arariax]], [[heh-blammo balance]], [[whingelism]].<br />
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--[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 01:07, 11 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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You know what they say about theory and practice... "In theory, there is no difference between Theory and Practice. In practice, this is seldom the case." Heh. Personally though, I don't see how the Brothers could do squat to the [[heh-blammo balance]] throughout Ghyll even if they wanted to. If the balance could be shifted by a group of people, do you really think any of us would even still be here right now? Hardly! No, my opinion, the balance is safe from meddling by folks, and a darn good thing it is too. --[[User:Qwentyth Pyre|Qwentyth Pyre]] 23:29, 11 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Blammo. Needed to tweak the blance there, seeing as it's so lighthearted in the room.--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 11:01 4 March 2005(PST)</div>Theopheneshttps://www.disobey.com/w/index.php?title=Ghyll:Lexicon_discussion&diff=26626Ghyll:Lexicon discussion2005-04-04T17:46:35Z<p>Theophenes: /* Multiple links to the same place */</p>
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If you've any questions or suggestions about the wiki and its syntax, the Lexicon rules, Ghyll continuity errors, letting us know you're gonna miss a turn, etc., use this page to wax poetic. Be sure to sign your name (using either the second - from - the - right toolbar icon, or typing two hyphens and four tildes), which also includes the timestamp. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 11:32, 20 Aug 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Frequently Asked Questions==<br />
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===How do I dib an entry (cf. Rule 1)?===<br />
If there is a specific phantom you'd like to write, wait until the proper turn occurs (ie. waiting for the "R" turn to dib phantom "Rancor") and then edit the phantom to just include a statement of dibbing ("MIIine! ALlL MiIInnE!") and your name/signature. Naturally, the intent of dibbing an entry is so that you actually write it - if you don't during that turn, your dib expires. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:53, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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===Can I cite more than I'm required to cite? (cf. Rule 2)===<br />
Each turn after the first, you're required to cite two phantom entries and one existing entry. Neither of these three citations can be terms you've created or written. However, if you've properly met these requirements, your entry can certainly refer to other terms in the Ghyll encyclopedia, including those you've personally written. These "other terms", however, MUST have been previously defined or created. See the [[Ghyll Index]] for a complete list of in-play terms. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:53, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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: I had been reading this as "You must cite two ''novel'' phantoms", but Doctor Phineas Crank pointed out that Rule 2 doesn't actually say that. What's the intention here? Is it all right to cite phantoms that have already been created (but not defined)? --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 17:51, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Your required per turn phantoms citations may be existing phantoms, brand new phantoms, or a mixture of both. The lack of "novel" innuendo in Rule 2 was intentional, and the "Example of Play" on the main page also reflects this. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:17, 27 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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The way I am given to understand it is this is "forward-only" citations. It isn't retroactively enforced. Meaning: if you cite a phantom that someone else created then - later on down the alphabet - define that term, you have not violated the self-citation rule. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 16:27, 20 Dec 2004 (EST)<br />
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Correct. The rule is intended only for ''original'' creation and citation - citing another entry or phantom NOT created by you does not count towards Rule 3, which states "Scholars shall neither cite themselves (('''in their required per-turn citations''')), nor write phantoms they were the '''first''' to cite." (emphasis and clarification mine). --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 00:17, 21 Dec 2004 (EST)<br />
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===What happens about linking to widely-used terms?===<br />
It may often be the case that terms are used throughout the dictionary that are not cited initially: you're allowed to invent people, places, etc. that you don't actually cite a reference for. That means that later in the game, people can write about these people, and references can be strewn across the wiki that don't actively ''link'' to the phantom. How is the person to be able to research the references? The general rule of thumb is that when you create a term that you know has been mentioned elsewhere, either you go about looking for existing references and link them, or the admins do it for you. [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 22:33, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Comments, Questions, Complaints?==<br />
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===Alternate Reality vs. Fictional World===<br />
Hello people. This looks like a nice game- but I think I got the rules a little wrong in my enthusiasm to get started, entry: anabiscot) by putting more "phantoms" into my entry than were asked for, and by fleshing one or two of them out. I find it impossible to backtrack on the fleshing out, and so a) don't know what to do about them, as I don't want to upeset anyone by not having strictly observed the rules for the first turn and b) wonder whether clearer guidance to newcomers is needed if this isn't to be a closed shop just for oldophytes --[[User:Ginestre|Ginestre]] 05:28, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Ginestre: we're open to newcomers, definitely. As for the rules, check out #1: "Scholars ... write one entry per turn" and then #2: "Entries shall cite two phantom entries". I've deleted all your out of turn entries, so there's no worries there (to return an entry to a phantom, just click the "delete" button as opposed to "edit", and give a reason for the deletion). Let me know which part of the rules initially confused you. We'll be adding an "Example of a Turn" to the main page shortly. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:41, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Finally, and sadly, I've deleted your Anabiscot entry for being too much of an "Earth-parody". It, ultimately, looked like a school term paper that was revised to include "made up" words as opposed to their Earthen counterparts (as seen in your revising of "England" to "Ghyll", and the inclusion of Christian, Protestant, University of Helsinki, etc., etc.). Based on your timpstamps, I can appreciate how this deletion must look compared to your two hours of editing. But, it's really not the sort of material we're looking for. Think "when we crossed the threshold, I hit my new bride's head on the door jamb, and in her ensuing mental insanity, she described something that'd sounds just like Ghyll's [NameOfEntry]" as opposed to "What have I written already that I can modify for the game?" --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:41, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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The new entry on the EXAMPLE OF PLAY page is certainly much clearer than the previous offering, and is to be commended. Had that been there, I would not have stumbled as I did this morning. But the comment on my deleted entry "it's not really what we're looking for" is rather telling, and is telling me to be on my way nevertheless. "It, ultimately, looked like a school term paper..etc" also clearly reveals that you see your position as an empowered subeditor of sorts, who has the role of judging text quality; fair game -it's your server, you call the shots. But to this newcomer (a professional writer who wasted words this morning just for fun, and who hasn't written a term paper in over thirty years!) it nevertheless seems a great pity, because the game is a nice idea. Applying the wiki to what used to be called four-handed writing would allow the natural numerical limits of collaborative collective writing to over-bound. But in fact you're not open to newcomers at all, despite the protestations....but it was an interesting try.--[[User:Ginestre|Ginestre]] 17:49, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Ginestre: there's been a lot of off-wiki discussion about how this game should unfold, comprising nine months of a lot of arguing, a lot of ideas and scanty documentation, and a lot of ideas that it's going to be difficult to crystallise on the wiki quickly. I, personally, think that your entries were marvellous, but in the context of the direction that we're trying to develop for this wiki they're not <em>quite</em> what we're after. In other words, we're opening this up very much on the ground floor and trying to establish the past that we have, so you'll have to excuse the odd bit of seemingly baseless "oh no, that's not the way it should be done" banter. Imagine if you'd come into a game that's been running for nearly a year, and there were a lot of dedicated players and in-game jokes and conventions already. That basically <em>is</em> the situation here to some extent, we just haven't been able to document it properly yet, and we're also in a stage of "well, let's see what other people think". Some things are very much negotiable, and some aren't. Anyway, I hope that you'll consider still joining in and being patient with us as we work through this nascent stage, because I think your entries showed an enthusiasm and quality that it would be sad for us to miss out on. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 18:03, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I've sent Ginestre a longer email on the subject, but the distinction I made with my actions was one of "fictional world" versus "alternate reality." It was our intent for Ghyll to be a "fictional world", one that has little semblance to the "real" world, namely Earth. While we realize this can be an impossibility, as creativity is emboldened in what we know, we wanted to stay away from what we call an "Earth parody" - a world that has direct, obvious, and blatant parallels to our own - more of an "alternate reality" as opposed to "fictional world". LORD OF THE RINGS is a "fictional world", whereas the Sci-Fi show SLIDERS is an alternate reality, as are the TWILIGHT ZONE, THE OUTER LIMITS, and so forth. Which isn't to say that I'm against equivalency - in the early game, newspaper, magnetism, war, research organizations, basements, "flash lights/beacons", etc. already exist. But they're described in an environment of "fictional world" not "alternate reality". As for judging text or entry quality, honestly, I'd like to stay as far away from that as possible. Again, the distinction made with your entry was one of "Earth parody" and not "fictional world." --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:20, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Morbus: What're we doing with respect to canonical but non-turn activities? There's the possibility of the Encyclopedants mailing out letters to all the scholars as you discussed, but did we talk about a per-turn summary too? I think it'd be helpful in that it'd make us analyse what's currently being worked on to ensure its consistency, as well as helping newcomers to the game and people who have been on holiday etc. It could be a collaborative effort between all the scholars who contributed to the first turn, and it might actually serve to clarify some of the intentions etc. behind the entries. I'm not sure what framework could be used to justify it in terms of the game itself though; perhaps the scholars all meet up in a F2F meeting somewhere in a different location per turn? We could order it as though it's meeting minutes: have a little abstract of the location that we met at, introduce some of the scholars, have dialogue, and then the main summary of what's been written. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 17:46, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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My personal in-game plan was, as you mention, the Encyclopedants - the people who are "funding" the encyclopedia and who "collate" the entries for "publication" (at the end of a turn). These Encyclopedants would serve as the "voice of cohesion", and really fill a void that the Ghyll Lexicon is missing: an existing backdrop to base entries on. Other Lexicons were based on existing worlds (Paranoia, Exalted, Nobilis), and thus, the "voice of cohesion" concerning stuff like dates, geography, races, etc. were the original books the games were derived from. There's none of that in Ghyll. For instance, sometime soon, the Encyclopedants will release a document, in-game, on how scholars should handle dates. This would be some sort of "Progress Report Issue 1", where # is the # of the turn in question. Ultimately, the topics discussed in these Progress Reports would be about the integrity of the encyclopedia itself: continuity errors, worrisome plot holes, and etc. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:36, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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As for a scholarly F2F, I like that idea, and I think the best way to approximate that would be a sort of "in-game" Lexicon discussion. The Encyclopedants could release a Progress Report detailing worries they're having, and other scholars could log their own complaints and concerns on the Progress Report page itself. This would keep everything centralized, and would be a more vocal, less-controlled [[Current events]] (a "current in-game events") page. I think it'd also be handy, upon reaching Z, for scholars and the Encyclopedants to prepare a personal "Final Report", discussing how they felt things went, what could be done better for the next Round, and so on and so forth. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:36, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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===A proposal to help simplify Ghyll administration===<br />
I was tracking down a lot of misreferenced links the other day (things like linking to 'Aelfant' instead of 'Aelfants'), and it occurred to me that a change in game mechanics would make this, and several other things, much simpler. Basically, the idea is that someone who creates a phantom should actually make a page for the phantom, which would just say "Phantomed by 'scholar name date'" and Category: Phantoms (as well as any other useful categories). By doing this, a red link becomes prima facie an error, and can be fixed as such by a scholar rather than by the overworked Encyclopedants. When the entry becomes real, it is removed from the phantom category, of course. This allows us to use some of Mediawiki's machinery more usefully. Comments? --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 10:45, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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It's fine for me. I'm sure I've been the cause of this more than once, so anything that helps is okay by me. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 11:37, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Sbp and I had this discussion a bit ago (though, I can't recall the talking points), but I actually find this change counter-intuitive: I feel it LESSENS the usefulness of the wiki, because we're breaking an entire feature: phantoms (or, as MW calls it, "Wantedpages"). It breaks the "Phantom popularity", it breaks the "Random page", it ruins the visual hinting of an entry ("ooh, ooh, I can't wait to dib that one!" as opposed to "<click>, dammit!, <click>, dammit!, <click>, woohoo!"), it breaks the Special:Allpages part of MW (as all phantoms are now all pages - they're not pages, they're wanted!), and so on and so forth. My ultimate feeling is that it breaks TOO much stuff to be considered useful, and we end up overloading another feature (Categories) to recreate something that already exists. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 12:40, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Concedo. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 13:40, 7 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Er, okay, so can we refer to our own characters as the inventors of something? By that I mean, if my character invented a new sight for the smooth-bore musket, could I make an entry based on that? --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 14:13, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Sure, there's nothing stopping you from doing that, but by making yourself an official part of the canon (as opposed to non-canon Scholar bios), you make yourself liable to follow other people's truths. It'd be possible to kill you off, and yadda yadda yadda. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:28, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Well, as long as I can make contributions from beyond the grave, or at least through posthumous notes, I might be okay with that. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 14:32, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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That is a danger I did not foresee. In the Bobby Shwarmph entry, I included a reference that incorporated Scholar Edward Schwarmph into the canon, assuming that since he phantomed the entry and that he studies a field linked closely to that covered by the magazine edited by the character he created with the same surname, they were related. If I put him in danger in the process, that was probably a breach of courtesy. While I suppose there is nothing stopping any of us from embarking on studies to be discovered after our deaths, there is probably a better way to handle this. A later entry could establish a conduit of communication with dead scholars and other Ghyllians, but then we wouldn't have to do research at all- we'd just get a soul who was there on the line to offer their take on things. I suggest we treat bios as canonical, and all characters are "in game," and hence fair game. Then, if a scholar is killed off and its player cares to continue, the player creates a successor- say a favored student or offspring -poised to continue the work. If players are non-canon, I should either delete the Edward reference in the Bobby Shwarmph entry, be referring to someone else entirely who coincidentally has the exact same name and job, or at least get my fellow scholar'a permission before something unfortunate occurs to him as a result of my entering him into canon without his express consent. --[[User:Bast ResNovae|Bast ResNovae]] 20:40, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Which brings me to another question- presuming events are unfolding in our world even as more entries are written, we might run into situations where an entry is obsolete or needs updating based on events that hadn't happened yet, or information only discovered after it was written. Therefore, should we be dating our entries to avoid confusion? (ie: last updated 0/09/1 EC by Bast ResNovae) --[[User:Bast ResNovae|Bast ResNovae]] 20:40, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Making scholar biographies canon is very dangerous as it distorts the flow of the game. Since the bios are not restricted by turn of gameplay, they can be updated at any moment, thus invalidating anything previously written about them. Similarly, any scholar could define a phantom, then write about it in their scholar bio, thus hedging the bets that their phantom, written by someone else, is ''exactly how they envisioned it''. One of the "fun" aspects of the game is seeing your ideas corrupted and perverted into something you've never dreamed of - allowing scholars to modify their biographies at any time (since they're non-turns) invalidates this aspect. Remember the intro to the game: ''you can argue vociferously with the interpretation and introduce new facts that shade the interpretation.'' Just because you've named Edward Shwarmph in an entry doesn't mean it's the exact same Edward as the scholar: it could be his twin, clone, doppelganger, or what have you. If your Edward dies, it is "truth", but that doesn't mean that a new fact can't be introduced that twists the truth into something else entirely. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 21:20, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Making scholars themselves canon is something that only the player playing the scholar should decide they want to do: roleplaying a character based on someone else's direction is another aspect (with its own measure of "fun") of a Lexicon that may be enjoyable to some: it should be a choice to the player whether they want to receive this direction, or if they'd like to fixate on their own vision. Making all scholars canon, and thus definable and modifiable by others, may be above and beyond what a player would like, resulting in a character they simply don't want to play. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 21:20, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Oh, I've opened a can of worms here. How does one propose a new rule? Perhaps the restriction of no new phantoms from a player's scholar's bio? Though, I'm in complete agreement that only players should be allowed to make their scholars canon. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 21:41, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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That is already a house rule actually - see the last paragraph of "How to Participate" on the main page. I've already removed a number of newly defined phantoms from various scholar pages. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 21:54, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Good point. Player Edward Shwarmph could, for example, be riding on the coattails of a more distinguished scholar of the saame name. Or be impersonating him. Or be a relative... or what have you. If he still has the ability to accept or reject the canonical identity as he chooses, I won't worry about it- I'll just leave it up to him.--[[User:Bast ResNovae|Bast ResNovae]] 23:26, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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====Multiple links to the same place====<br />
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I'm removing all links to the same place except the first (there might be some reason to make it other than the first, but I can't imagine it at the moment). Linking ''every'' instance of "Council" to the [[Council for Quezlarian Research]] is unnecessary and makes the page unaesthetic. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 02:45, 18 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I heartily disagree. It makes the page "unaesthetic" quote unquote because of their visual proximity to each other. But, in very long entries, like Bethany or the Bureau, linking only the first mention forces the user to scroll upwards to find a previous link, as opposed to "holding their place" and opening the link they just read in a new window or tab. I'd rather link everything for future usability, then link only the first and be distracted by a "lose the moment" treasure hunt to find the first reference to click on. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 08:42, 18 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I've got to agree with Morbus on this one. Hypertext means never having to say "but I digress." If a page appears too cluttered with links to the same term, that is probably an indication that it should be re-written with synonyms. I look forward to the day when we have a finished Ghyll Encyclopedia, where each entry is chock full of links to things that others have decided to phantom later. --[[User:Qwentyth Pyre|Qwentyth Pyre]] 20:05, 20 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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What I'm trying to discourage is this sort of thing (only somewhat exaggerated): "<nowiki>When [[Rambo Jones]] was born, [[Rambo Jones|he]] was under a prophecy that [[Rambo Jones|he]] would grow up to be [[Rambo Jones|the President]] of the [[Rambo Jones]] Society. [[Rambo Jones|He]] had [[Rambo Jones|his]] share of troubles, but [[Rambo Jones|he]] eventually did.</nowiki>" I agree with Morbus that in a very long article multiple links may be in order, but mechanically linking '''every''' reference, as above, is just maddening. I don't see how rewriting with synonyms would help, since the synonyms would just be linked -- under the preceding strategy -- to the same page in the end. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 10:17, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Well yes, that would just be silly. In your example I would link none of the "he/his/the president" but would link the two "Rambo Jones" proper name citations. Using "he/his/The President" is exactly what I meant by using synonyms. I wouldn't expect those synonyms to be links, but I would expect each proper name usage to be one. Just my opinion, of course. --[[User:Qwentyth Pyre|Qwentyth Pyre]] 18:34, 21 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I reccomend that we maintain professional courtesy by verifying anything said about another scholar before putting it down. If you don't wish to make this policy, that is fine, but I myself shall probably put such an notion into practice.--[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 10:47 $ March 2005 (PST)<br />
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====Correction of spelling and typos====<br />
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What is general etiquette on the correction of spelling and typos in entries other than mine? (not that either my spelling or typing is perfect, but I assume nobody objects if I correct myself)?<br />
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If it's definitely an error, please go ahead and correct it! As long as you don't change the semantics of someone's entry, you can certainly change the syntax to make it easier to read, clearer, etc. Imagine you're correcting someone's English paper: you're not going to do their work for them, but you want to let them know that it's "i before e except after c and except in wierd words such as weird". --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 14:09, 5 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Useful Resources==<br />
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You can use this [http://www.fourteenminutes.com/fun/words/ random word generator] to generate entry names that begin with a specified pair of letters. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 17:07, 1 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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You may also make use of generators found here [http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~pound/ Chris Pound's Name Generation Page], particularly, [http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~pound/#werd werd], for names. (Look for the examples of Victorian English names.)<br />
--[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 14:01, 13 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Not to toot my own horn, but, well, I'm tooting my own horn. Need a "good" name for someone in the Encyclopedia? Try [http://www.fantasist.net/funnynames.shtml The Funny Name Generator], by yours truly.<br />
--[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 17:31, 14 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Proposal for dealing with people who dib but don't complete==<br />
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[I think that] some sort of nominal "punishment" for dibbing an entry but not following through on it is appropriate. At the very least, being forced to sit out a turn seems appropriate. Or, perhaps, not being able to create new phantoms for one or two turns is an alternative. With the rate of players dropping out, the burden of phantoms seems to have gotten rather restrictive. I had a neat idea for an "E" entry that was not possible due to low dib rates. I think some of that might get cleared up by a "punishment" restricting the new phantoms a suprious dibber might make. Just a thought. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 15:43, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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--moved here by [[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 17:16, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I think the ability to join at any time also implies the ability to leave at any time. We need to remember this wiki is only ever going to reflect what we put into it. There are people out there in the ether who will trip over this wiki and think it would be fun to join. They'll dib an entry and then a couple of days later forget it beause they have found something else interesting. There is no way we can stop it from happening and I would personally be happier with undefined phantoms than poor entries. Instead of punishments, what about allowing rewards - what if people who have play some number (x) rounds completely can dib an entry and if they wish, add a second entry? Like Doctor Crank, I had a neat entry that I needed to drop to complete a phantom. Despite this, I would rather the game, its participants and it general feel remains friendly and open. I think this is more likely to attract new payers. If there are public displays of punishment or ridicule, new people are less likely to join in. My 2c worth. --[[User:Dok|Dok]] 17:12, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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--moved here by [[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 17:19, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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An interesting proposal, to be sure, however I think a stick is needed just as much as a carrot. Better to skip a turn than to dib something and not follow through on it. That dib, after all, could prevent someone else from participating who had an idea for that phantom. I like the idea of a reward system for long term participants, however, that gets a bit sticky as well. Personally, I intend to make it through at least one full turn, no matter what I have to dib, to keep things rolling, so, for me, it's now a simple matter of pride. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 17:41, 3 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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It would sure be sad to exclude folks for any reason- if you dib and then don't follow through, maybe it's because you just had a baby or were unexpectedly elected for public office or were attacked by a land shark or whatever. I'm for leaving things as they are, with the understanding that it's kinda rude to dib something and then just leave it hanging.<br />
--[[User:Joe Bowers|Joe Bowers]] 09:42, 5 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Gameplay Change Voting==<br />
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===Time For Turn Changes===<br />
What time should the deadline occur?<br />
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24:00 GMT --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 19:47, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT) (available from 23:00-5:00 GMT)<br />
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I'm against asking for suggestions BESIDES a simple conversion to GMT. Getting 10 to 15 opinions on the best time for them will merely create a secondary vote of "here are the favored three, pick your best", and then people feeling annoyed that their time wasn't chosen. '''Please merely vote on a midnight-EST-to-GMT-instead only (ie. 7pm EST).''' --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:25, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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The preferred value is the only one that really counts, the other values are just there so the talliers can see if the final decision is going to exclude too many people. I guess I should have made that more clear. (Which is what I'm attempting now.) --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 19:47, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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===Length Of Turns===<br />
A week, 9 days if Morbus would let me. --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 19:47, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT) 19:06, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I'm against any sort of non-anniversary date (ie. an odd date like 9 days compared to "every second Friday" or "two weeks"). It's too much effort for people, myself included, to remember, and it'll just cause too many "arrgh, I thought this week was... " lamenting, and eventual maintenance headaches ("I thought this week was Thursday, so I was gonna write it then, but it was Wednesday, here's my entry, I know its late, please accept it, la la la!") --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 19:25, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Anniversary dates have the gigantic advantage of being easy to remember, but I find that a week is just a little too short, and the first turn (week and a half) was just a little too long. I'll live with the anniversary date of a week, but I still feel that 9 days is just right. --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 19:47, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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I'm for the week. I find it a little short, but the pressure keeps me focused. If it were longer, I'd procrastinate too much and lose track of when I neede to complete my entry. --[[User:Dok|Dok]] 21:31, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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Yep, I'm for the one-week turn, too. The odd numbers would throw me off. Also, a week is enough time if I'm paying attention, which I should be if I'm playing. Perhaps we should lengthen to two weeks during the holidays, though. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 22:44, 29 Sep 2004 (EDT)<br />
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==Spam Problem==<br />
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Is it possible to block submissions based on content? Most of these links being posted would be easy to check for, and you could display a nice message to go along with it. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 06:18, 13 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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How about just requiring someone to be logged in before they submit content. While presumably our spammerific visitors could quite happily create accounts, it would seem that they are unlikely to do so. Also, once they create an account, we can force them to submit encyclopedia entries. :-) --[[User:DrBacchus|DrBacchus]] 08:46, 22 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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My apologies - the "must be logged in" change happened either early this week or late last week, can't exactly remember. Shortly after doing so, we banned our first user <g>. It ''is'' a better solution, however. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:57, 22 Oct 2004 (EDT)<br />
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