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User:Snood Trunion

2006-01-06T19:44:42Z

Snood Trunion: What the Snood might be doing between rounds.

==The Snood Trunion, "Scholar" and Purveyor of the Finest of Things==
The scholarly pursuits of The Snood Trunion, the youngest of this generation of the Trunion lineage, began when he was but four years out of the womb. For it was at this time that he set about trying to put together a detailed classification of all his toy blocks not only by color, but by relative size, weight, shape, and number of bumpy things on the top. And yet, after having devoted seven years of his young life to this endeavor, he felt his life was still not complete. Thus, he applied to [[Bute University]] at the tender age of 11. He was, quite succinctly, denied admittance. This traumatizing event stilted the poor Snood's image of himself, and he went into hiding in the basement of his parent's home. He did not resurface until about -9 [[EC]], at which point he published his book of memoirs, entitled ''Playing the Field: How to Pretend to Know Everything About Everything.'' The book was a best-seller for twelve weeks. Two years later, he published a book of [[luminous manuscript|lumics]] entitled ''I Have No Clue What I'm Doing, But I'm Bound to Pen Another Best-Seller by Name Recognition Alone.'' An excerpt:

: There once was a fellow from Ghyll.
: He doth make his home there yet still.
: Though once in a daze,
: To his friend he did say,
: Man, I can't write lumics for shit!

Since then, The Snood Trunion has lived in [[Folktown]], the center of scholarly life in all of Ghyll, with occasional sabbatical trips to [[Iganefta-on-the-Sea]], and other far away towns.

As of late, his contributions to the encyclopedia have been coming postmarked from the village near [[Dŵplat]]. It can only be vaguely speculated as to what he is doing there but, as is the common practice of Ghyll and most Ghyllians, vague speculation abounds. One official source has it on good authority that the Snood has taken a wife from another [[Orthogonalities|orthogonality]] and has decided to abandon the scholarly life to settle in the small village and start a family. What orthogonality that might be is unknown. Another likely story has it that the Snood has found another way to further the Trunion lineage, but just what that was remains a mystery. Of course, given that little is actually known about the inner workings of a [[Trunions|Trunion]], it seems quite plausible that he may accomplish feats of reproduction no [[Ghyllian reproduction|Ghyllian]] is capable of accomplishing.

==Bryan Andrews, Ghyll Player==
A young man of twenty years making his home in rural Texas with wife and three children. At nineteen, obtained an electronic mailing address, situated at [mailto:MysticalGenesis@yahoo.com Yahoo!]. Currently unemployed, as all great scholars tend to be.

'''Entries:'''

* '''U''' - [[Urching tracks]], and phantom [[Toria]]. Please do be gentle in your critiques, as this is my first entry.
* '''V''' - No entry for V. My internet was shut off.
* '''W''' - [[Worrying]], and phantom [[backcountry]]. Perhaps I'm starting to get the hang of this.
* '''X''' - [[Absolute Erasure]], and phantom [[unknown soldier]]. A spotlighted entry! My bosom swells with pride.
* '''Y''' - No entry for Y. We recently moved, and my internet is not connected yet. As such, I am updating from a friend's house.
* '''Z''' - [[Zavinian House]], and phantom [[Trunions]]. My first original entry, and as such, not as cohesive or integrated as I would have wanted.

* '''R2-R3 Mad-edit''' - [[King Harandraff the Great]], a bit of [[Ickle]] and assorted others.

This is '''my''' user page, and if I want to arbitrarily change some facets of my character, I '''will''', damnit!

==Previous Snood Trunion Bios==
Previous versions of the Snood bio can be found [[/bios|here]].

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2006-01-03T21:57:16Z

Snood Trunion: /* Missing Gamemaster? */ A few words of support for our gamemaster.

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This page is for discussing Round 3 of Ghyll, currently scheduled to begin January 2006.

==Should there be a Round 3?==

Are you interested? Would you play? What (rules, date, style, etc.) should change? What makes you unhappy with the current state of play? I've had every intent to keep the Ghyll Lexicon going as long as there are players (and perhaps longer) - in the absence of them, I'd probably move on to other (slower, less regular) products such as a Ghyll game deadtree book ("Poor Ghyllians Almanac" is the most popular choice at the moment, though that, honestly, is years away). Some folks have been debating privately whether to stop playing, and their dissatisfaction partly comes from the quality of phantoms being produced (and thus, needing to be written). What sort of phantoms and entries do you prefer to write? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:08, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:What about introducing some kind of collaboration to the game? Sometimes, it would be useful to get more than one viewpoint brought in beforehand. For example, if you had actually "interviewed" me about the [[Order of Mnerr]], to make it a bit more collaborative. There is a limit past which I don't want to press, because I'm afraid of stepping on someone else's toes. I don't know if that's just me, or if other people similarly are hesitant to take on certain things on their own. I'd also like to see a collegial discussion forum that could allow scholars to pose questions to their colleagues. There's a bit of it in some of the appended scholarly comments, but a central forum might develop some life if some interaction between scholars became more a part of the system. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 17:22, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Hmm. There's nothing, ultimately, stopping this sort of thing from happening *right now*. I think the logistics of it (integration as opposed to collegial discussion), however (specifically, getting other players to respond in a timely, and quality, manner) are a bit too complicated to make it "official". As I'm sure you can see from the RecentChanges, some players do everything on Friday, some jot notes early, some come outta nowhere, leave their final and only edit, and then disappear for months. As for collegial discussion, there was a bit of that out-of-turn, per se, at [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Are you proposing, perhaps, some sort of Inn/Tavern-ish meeting? Perhaps a Scholars-only Bulletin Board? (Bulletin boards do exist publically and in-game - see [[Karcist League]], for example, so it wouldn't be an oddity or breakage...) --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 17:52, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I would have liked to have been around for the [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Some little bulletin board kind of thing where the scholars can unite in character for some banter (friendly or not) would be quite well received, at least by me. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 01:03, 26 November 2005 (EST)

:::I agree. I'm not looking to ''force'' collaboration at any point, but some benefits might arise if some things could be worked out that way. (I actually wanted to see what someone else would do with the [[Order of Mnerr|Order]], otherwise, I wouldn't have phantomed it.) Something that exists at the top level and that encourages everyone to contribute and to exchange messages, perhaps. Right now, I would feel uncomforatble adding something to the '''navigation''' sidebar myself, even if it's okay. That sort of thing probably needs to come from "on high." --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Also, what if someone were to start periodic postings of articles published in [[Quester and Phorrus]] or [[Folktown Records]], for example? Rather than being a static entry, there would, instead, be an ongoing list of what is being published (or submitted for publication) and an opportunity for some intertwining of writing. Things could be linked to the encyclopedia, but it might also provide an opportunity for a different kind of writing. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I hereby proclaim to all of Ghyll proper that I am addicted to this game and the knowledge in the encyclopedia. I would love to continue to contribute to this world as long as creative souls inhabit it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:04, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just realized I never posted a resounding YES in answer to this question. So, [resounding]YES![/resounding] --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:31, 23 November 2005 (EST)

===Missing Gamemaster?===

I have good news and bad news: I'm pregnant. That's the good news. The bad news is that Ghyll, and my "gamemastering" of it will be taking a back seat to that pregnancy. This presents a bit of a problem for me: Round 3 will be about 75% finished by the time the baby arrives. What I don't want to happen is that last 25% to be unintegrated - without fact checking, or Indices modification ([[Encyclopedant Calendar|timeline]], [[WhoIsWho|who's who]], etc., etc.) I'd much rather NOT do a R3 if it's gonna die a horrible death 75% of the way through. I'm looking for suggestions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:From my standpoint, not knowing too much about the inner workings of wiki and how to format pages, I think I would have trouble if I had to add the consequences of my entry (people, places, dates) into [[WhoIsWho]], [[WhereIsWhere]], and the [[Encyclopedant Calendar|Timeline]]. However, I have noticed that you've got some skilled Encyclopedants working under you, Morb. [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], and others might be able to interim admin if you asked them real nice, especially since they'd have plenty of time to get ready before you inevitably leave us. And if not, there are other options, like an accelerated round, or Ghyll taking a sabbatical with you. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:32, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::First of all, Congratulations, Morbus. Do you '''''want''''' to suspend Ghyll at that point, or do you want it to move on? If you want others to take on some of the editing/checking responsibilities, you should set up an Encyclopedants Committee who will take on those tasks. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:32, 7 December 2005 (EST)

:::It has always been my intention for Ghyll to live a long life. So, I would hate if my inevitable leaving caused Ghyll to "die", in the sense of no further updates to it. I do have every intention of returning to Ghyll in my normal glory once my available time returns to full sanity. Of course, I have absolutely no control over that: it could be six months after the birth, it could be six years. No flippin' idea. I've never played Baby: The Coddling before. My concern is, largely, the ''integrity'' of Ghyll whilst I'm gone. I hesitate to give more grandeur to them then necessary, but I do see the Indices as one of the more powerful ways to curb errors, in regards to dates and locations. With all the work put into them now, I'm a little nervous about letting them "maintain themselves", as it were, without the anal attention to detail I've put into them. So, the answer, I guess, is: I want Ghyll to move on without me, but only if it receives the gamemaster-y attention it deserves. If it doesn't receive that gamemaster-y attention that I (perhaps erroneously) think is necessary for it's integrity, I'd rather let it be suspended than slighted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:49, 7 December 2005 (EST)

:As for replacement gamemasters, the two who have been with Ghyll the longest, Sbp and Jcowan, are interminably busy and can't commit to something that far in advance. Which leads me more to a "no Round 3 since it'll suffer in the end" instead of "aaah, it'll all work out, right?" I'm also "up in the air" about a "speed round", with it ending months BEFORE the baby arrives. Either way, it still means a Round 4 without me, which brings up back to the same problem: gamemaster or suspend? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:49, 7 December 2005 (EST)

::How about making the next Round an [[Orthogonality]] round? Say Round 3 is about [[Xurient]] rather than Ghyll. And Morbus plays only a standard role from the outset. Whoever is (are) going to take over the GM duties does those things. That way, if it goes wrong, it doesn't seriously impact on the established canon, and can perhaps even be excised if necessary. And if it works, then we've built more about Xurient and its relationship to Ghyll proper. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 15:07, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:::I like this "Xurient" idea for it allows those of us who desire to continue in this game to do so but it also creates a body of work that can be drastically edited or excised (if necessary) without "harming" the canon that has been created under the supervision of Morbus. I am a bit confused, however, with orthogonalities - isn't the Xurient simply a region very far away from the Folktown/Iganefta region which has been the main basis for the game? I thought "Ghyll" was the name of the world. Or are you saying that "Ghyll" is one world and "Xurient" is an entirely differnet world??? yes, there are many entries I have not read, and some I have read yet not understood - so if this whole time we've been dealing with multiple worlds that is news to me. --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 15:22, 14 December 2005 (EST)

::::More technically, the [[Xurient]] ''turning point'' is "very far away" from the center of Ghyll. Re-read [[orthogonalities]], with an eye toward "Ghyll proper" for some of your other questions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:25, 14 December 2005 (EST)

:::I also like the idea of expanding on other Orthos for the duration of the time Morbus is gone. I vote YEA. The only less-than-desirable outcome I can see happening from such a change in the play style is that we will still need to keep track of changes to the world of Ghyll in the wake of an Ortho entry, and not put them into canon until the turn is successfully completed, in keeping with the whole "If we screw up, we can deny that it happened" round philosophy. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:56, 17 December 2005 (EST)

:::We could always just say that anything affecting Ghyll proper is off limits, with the exception of things that originate in Ghyll and extend into the Xurient. I for one am very in favor of this whole idea, especially since I don't see the Xurient getting fleshed out much otherwise. I would also suggest that the Xuriental round take place IG at the same time as this last Ghyll Proper round, so we don't have to explain why the scholars all took a year off to go study a completely different Orthogonality. Say the Xurientals were impressed with the Ghyll encyclopedia and started making one of their own. In fact, that answers just about every IG question that I can think of. Even if the whole thing gets thrown away, that could easily be because it was found that the emperor of Xurient, or whoever's in charge over there, was heavily censoring the Xurient encyclopedia to make the Xurient look better. Ghyll scholars would then have to reject it as a legitimate source of information. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 02:04, 19 December 2005 (EST)

:I don't personally like the Xurient idea. To do it right would require brand new indices (so that it'd be easy to "delete" it all if necessary) and blah blah blah. At this point, I'm leaning more toward a "lightning round 3", in Ghyll proper, with me just editing (and not contributing new entries). --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:08, 19 December 2005 (EST)

::I certainly didn't think through all the technicalities of doing a Xurient round, and I see the potential problems you point out. What about doing a "telephone pad" round (or maybe even two) in the available time? Do you plan a "lightning round" being shorter turns for entries? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 09:30, 19 December 2005 (EST)

:::Telephone pad is what I was planning, yes, though I need to poke around more and see if others were choosing "one entry per letter group" or something else entirely (like some crazy " entry per letter per group in the allotted time" (which I'm a little hesitant about, personally). --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:35, 19 December 2005 (EST)

::::I always understood telephone pad as "one entry per letter group". Even if someone else treats it differently, that would be the way to implement it in order to run a lightning round. I'd also suggest that the Rule of X should also be suspended, since there are options other than X when we reach that point. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 14:29, 19 December 2005 (EST)

:::::Aside from this little comment, I'm gonna stay out of this discussion and just play round three according to the rules everyone else is using. I don't know what "telephone pad" play is, nor do I like the idea of indices specifically for Xurient, so I'll just stay quiet until R3 starts. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 17:49, 27 December 2005 (EST)

For what it's worth, I'm leaning toward "no Round 3" at the moment. I just don't have time to be as active in it (shortened or not -- I'm busy trying to finalize a zillion other projects before the birth -- consider that I've *still* not yet finished the R2 theatrics for Ghyll), and there's no one else willing to step up to GM. With that said, I fully expect that once I "settle down" with the new child, I'll be back to my old habits, and I'll send a note to everyone informing 'em of updates. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 17:55, 27 December 2005 (EST)

:I was gonna write a comment expressing my sadness at the state of Ghyll, and how there might not be a Round 3 any time soon, if ever. But instead of putting even more pressure on you, Morb, I simply wish to say that I am behind you 100%, with whatever you so choose to do regarding the state of Ghyll. And also, congratulations on your pregnancy, and a very, very happy new year to you and yours. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 16:57, 3 January 2006 (EST)

==Between Rounds==

The following was hammered out during R1-->R2. They'd still apply.

===Allow a rest period between rounds===
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.
* Finish up any discussions on this page.
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.

===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===
* Edit ANY entry for clarity and collection.
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.

==Proposed Rule Changes==

===No restrictions on 3 entry citations===

A player should be able to cite three of any entries in one's citations, not necessarily two phantoms and one finished entry as is the case now. We'd still have to abide by the "don't cite yourself" restriction. The ONLY thing this proposed rule changes is the ''type'' of citations you have to make, not the number. You'd still have to write an entry that has three official citations not your own. Whether those citations are three existing entries, two existing entries and one phantom, three phantoms, or what have you, would no longer matter. You'd still have the ability to generate one new phantom a turn, it'd just be by choice, as opposed to forced.

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

===Writing phantoms first is no longer required===

One should be able to write any entry under the particular turn letter, not necessarily filling in all the phantoms before creating new entries. (This partially coincides with the next rule as well, but ultimately strives to make the playing experience more enjoyable: there's no love in being forced to write an entry you've no interest in.) --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]]

Just as long as some phantoms still do get defined. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:27, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:With this rule in place, it becomes player choice, not an enforceable rule. If other players (or you yourself) want to define an existing phantom for the current letter, you can. Alternatively, if you wanted to create a brand new term entry each and every turn, this rule would allow that as well. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::But if everybody always writes new entries, and nobody ever writes phantoms, that's a bad thing. I dunno, I have mixed feelings about this one. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 12:47, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I share your concern but, ultimately, I think it won't be an issue. If worse comes to worse I, being the GM, will fill in phantoms should the need arise. But, honestly, that's not a forced march of any kind: there are a number of phantoms I'm quite interested in defining. From your own standpoint, do you see yourself defining phantoms on occasion? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 13:32, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::Most certainly. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:22, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::::I would suggest establishing a threshold number of phantoms for a particular letter below which one need not be forced to write an undesirable entry. Say, for example, if there are two or fewer phantoms remaining, you can instead choose to write something other than a phantomed entry. This way, everyone is always afforded a choice, while existing phantoms are not completely ignored either. Setting out the phantoms for others to write is a key element of the interconnectedness of the game (at least, as I understand it). The other suggestion I'd offer would be to set an additional requirement (incoporating additional phantoms or entries, perhaps) on any player selected free entries. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:19, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just changed my vote. Phantoms are too important a part of the game. They're the thread that ties it into a web and they make things so much more interesting, when you have to write some article you never otherwise would. Not that my single vote's going to make much of a difference against everyone else. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:23, 23 November 2005 (EST)

:Not to jump on the bandwagon (or [[trundle cart]], as the case may be), but Dfaran has a point, damnit. When I dibbed [[Absolute Erasure]], it was because I wanted to contribute, and I couldn't fathom, under the Rule of X, to create my own entry under ''any'' letter in the alphabet. And when I began researching the facts surrounding the Erasure, I found out that the phantom I chose was wove so tightly into the world of Ghyll that the entry became an absolute joy to write. Perhaps also, a joy to read, as it became my first and only Spotlighted entry. There are still a ''lot'' of undefined phantoms, and a ''lot'' of them are integral to the world of Ghyll as we know it. Things like [[Perky]], [[Dulalian Empire]], [[Umlaut Tea]], and [[Palace of Lost Souls]] are very important parts of Ghyll, and I'm surprised to see that they've been passed by--some of them twice. I guess what I'm trying to say is, go ahead and enact this rule if you wish, but then you'll have me filling in all these phantoms and, well, that could get messy. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 00:49, 26 November 2005 (EST)

One solution I've just thought of is, perhaps before we get started with Round 3, every scholar gets the chance to define any ONE phantom they wish. What do you think? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 21:42, 30 November 2005 (EST)

:While I don't have an objection to this, I don't see what it accomplishes for us. I suppose you could just as easily give everyone one free dib on the current phantom set, so that scholars could stake out a particular item they want to address in the new Round. But it doesn't seem that useful to me to be worth bothering with. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:38, 1 December 2005 (EST)

===No entries solely about people, groups, or places===

Ban creating entries, even of currently phantomed entries, that are either people, groups, or places. We have way too many of those types of entries already, and banning them would force people to be more creative. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

If we don't write about People, Groups, and Places what do you have in mind? --[[User: Nikos of Ant| Nikos of Ant]] 15:19, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Actually, there's an awful lot. This rule only restricts the creation of ''entire'' entries about people - so, no one would be able to define [[Baby Alek]], but they could certainly continue to talk about the Baby Alek courtcase, or transcribe the court proceedings, or talk about the chemical process that cut him up into all those little pieces. You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places ''in the course of your entry on something else'', they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself. Take a look at all the entries for A. Out of 35 entries, only roughly half are ''named'' for a person, place, or group. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:33, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I'd like to phase this in by disallowing new phantoms that are proper nouns, but still allowing existing proper-noun phantoms to be written. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:49, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I concur with [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]. I think existing phantoms should still be allowed to be defined, but limits on the generation of new phantoms can be used to steer the direction of the encyclopedia. Would it be useful to impose some limits on [[Special:Categories|categories]] for Round 3 as a way of accomplishing this? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:29, 22 November 2005 (EST)

:I like this idea except that I don't think there have been all that many new places recently. In fact, I'd like to see the Ghyllian geography expand, myself. I'm all for banning people and groups, though. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:26, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Out of curiosity: what will that solve? Or, "just because"? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:30, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::More geography? I just don't think we're at a point where we don't need new places, that's all. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 22:31, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::I tend to disagree, but that's OK. I think the creation of new places, currently, fractures Ghyll further, making it harder to talk about politics, practices, and history that ''matter'', and actually have a lasting effect to other players and future entries. Creating a new place merely creates a separate pocket that has little to do with the rest of written Ghyll. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::The above rule stating, ''You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places "in the course of your entry on something else", they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself'', is also not disallowing more ''geography'', just ''direct'' cites on places. With this understanding it seems it "could" push many of us to new creativity, but of course, ultimate play enjoyablility and degree of well-written entries is still dependent upon who actually comes to ths site and plays. I would not, however, make it a ban on proper nouns - if that is the case then not even processes can be cited; for example [[Awal Shrinkage|Awal shrinkage]] is NOT a person, place or group, it is a process, but the ''name'' of this particular process '''is''' a ''proper noun''! --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 10:23, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::Actually it isn't. Awal shrinkage is named after Awal, and "Awal" is indeed a proper noun, but "Awal shrinkage" is a common (compound) noun. There is no reason why common nouns can't have proper nouns embedded in them: consider "Bush" vs. "the Bush administration". Of course, "Awal Shrinkage", the name of Madam Calvian's poodle (say), would be once again a proper noun. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:06, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)

So what's the status of this new rule? Apparently, since Morbus has YEA'd it, we will be integrating it in some form, but will we be able to define current proper noun phantoms first, or are we completely restricted from proper nouns altogether? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:16, 5 December 2005 (EST)

:The rule will only apply to newly created phantoms - those that have been created in previous rounds are still in play, and thus, still definable as normal. I'll figure out someway to word this into the revised ruling when it's enacted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 20:07, 5 December 2005 (EST)

===Dib a new entry when you've finished your own===

I would suggest revising the rules to allow a player to place a dib immediately once a current entry is completed. This would encourage people to complete entries early in order to earn a dib. Perhaps dibs could also be extended beyond the next letter in sequence, so if someone wanted to write an entry for a Q phantom and had some good ideas for it, they could stake their claim early on. Alternatively, special dibs could be awarded either by acclaim by other encyclopedants or simply based on having an article chosen as a spotlight. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:50, 21 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I don't like this idea. Some people write articles later rather than sooner because of busy schedules. Other sorts of special dibbing privilages sound unfair and a probable cause of confusion and unhappiness. Besides, part of the point of the game is having to write articles that you normally wouldn't and then coming up with something totally unexpected and interesting. At least, I feel that way. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:59, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:While it would be nice, as [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] said, to reward such creativity that merits a Spotlight entry, seeing my entry for [[Absolute Erasure]] mentioned on the main page made me proud enough that I don't need a special dib. Plus, just today did my internet finally get reconnected after I had gone nearly two weeks without the wonderful world of Ghyll, so one must take that into account. Prolificness does not equal profoundness. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:01, 22 November 2005 (EST)

===Turn order progresses from Z to A===

Okay, this is a pretty big change to suggest and probably Morbus will be no-ing it as soon as he sees it, but what if for round three we started at turn Z and went back to turn A? The reason being, I've noticed the last couple of turns started with lots of players at the beginning of the round and then slowly lost them here and there until by turn Z we were only producing a few articles a turn. If we reverse the order, then it stands to reason there will be a lot more Z articles and only a few more A articles, balancing things out. Then again, the english language supports words that begin with letters at the beginning of the alphabet much more than it does all those Xs and Ws and Zs at the end, and there aren't as many (or, as a matter of fact, any at all) Z phantoms right now. So, any thoughts? --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 20:52, 30 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] (start at P)
 NAY: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I've also heard of Lexicons where everyone started at a different place (like the first letter of the player's last name) and then everyone progresses from their own start point. Here, everyone stays together in a cohort, which is fine. But getting that startup bulge (I've noticed it as well) in a different part of the alphabet would be a good thing. Starting at Z and going backward might put too much of a challenge (no Z, Y, X or V phantoms currently) at the beginning and thereby scare people off. How about starting somewhere in the middle of the alphabet? Or, even better, start with whatever letter has the most phantoms. (It looks like that would be P, which has 16 phantoms.) I'd be happy with either approach. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:28, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:Starting with P might be a good idea, actually. I'm for it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

::That sounds too complicated for me. If we're going to do this, we should keep it in SOME form of logical order that everyone knows ahead of time.--[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 19:52, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:::I know that I haven't contributed to Ghyll since back in F or so.. but that is exactly Snood's point. It is true that the Ghyllian dictionary is a little "bottom heavy". For what it's worth, I like Snood's idea. --[[User:Larj Zyquon|Larj Zyquon]] 11:14, 6 December 2005 (EST)

::::I didn't come up with the idea, [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran]] did. I'm just a hanger-on. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 12:56, 6 December 2005 (EST)

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-27T22:49:23Z

Snood Trunion: /* Missing Gamemaster? */ My two cents.

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This page is for discussing Round 3 of Ghyll, currently scheduled to begin January 2006.

==Should there be a Round 3?==

Are you interested? Would you play? What (rules, date, style, etc.) should change? What makes you unhappy with the current state of play? I've had every intent to keep the Ghyll Lexicon going as long as there are players (and perhaps longer) - in the absence of them, I'd probably move on to other (slower, less regular) products such as a Ghyll game deadtree book ("Poor Ghyllians Almanac" is the most popular choice at the moment, though that, honestly, is years away). Some folks have been debating privately whether to stop playing, and their dissatisfaction partly comes from the quality of phantoms being produced (and thus, needing to be written). What sort of phantoms and entries do you prefer to write? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:08, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:What about introducing some kind of collaboration to the game? Sometimes, it would be useful to get more than one viewpoint brought in beforehand. For example, if you had actually "interviewed" me about the [[Order of Mnerr]], to make it a bit more collaborative. There is a limit past which I don't want to press, because I'm afraid of stepping on someone else's toes. I don't know if that's just me, or if other people similarly are hesitant to take on certain things on their own. I'd also like to see a collegial discussion forum that could allow scholars to pose questions to their colleagues. There's a bit of it in some of the appended scholarly comments, but a central forum might develop some life if some interaction between scholars became more a part of the system. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 17:22, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Hmm. There's nothing, ultimately, stopping this sort of thing from happening *right now*. I think the logistics of it (integration as opposed to collegial discussion), however (specifically, getting other players to respond in a timely, and quality, manner) are a bit too complicated to make it "official". As I'm sure you can see from the RecentChanges, some players do everything on Friday, some jot notes early, some come outta nowhere, leave their final and only edit, and then disappear for months. As for collegial discussion, there was a bit of that out-of-turn, per se, at [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Are you proposing, perhaps, some sort of Inn/Tavern-ish meeting? Perhaps a Scholars-only Bulletin Board? (Bulletin boards do exist publically and in-game - see [[Karcist League]], for example, so it wouldn't be an oddity or breakage...) --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 17:52, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I would have liked to have been around for the [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Some little bulletin board kind of thing where the scholars can unite in character for some banter (friendly or not) would be quite well received, at least by me. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 01:03, 26 November 2005 (EST)

:::I agree. I'm not looking to ''force'' collaboration at any point, but some benefits might arise if some things could be worked out that way. (I actually wanted to see what someone else would do with the [[Order of Mnerr|Order]], otherwise, I wouldn't have phantomed it.) Something that exists at the top level and that encourages everyone to contribute and to exchange messages, perhaps. Right now, I would feel uncomforatble adding something to the '''navigation''' sidebar myself, even if it's okay. That sort of thing probably needs to come from "on high." --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Also, what if someone were to start periodic postings of articles published in [[Quester and Phorrus]] or [[Folktown Records]], for example? Rather than being a static entry, there would, instead, be an ongoing list of what is being published (or submitted for publication) and an opportunity for some intertwining of writing. Things could be linked to the encyclopedia, but it might also provide an opportunity for a different kind of writing. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I hereby proclaim to all of Ghyll proper that I am addicted to this game and the knowledge in the encyclopedia. I would love to continue to contribute to this world as long as creative souls inhabit it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:04, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just realized I never posted a resounding YES in answer to this question. So, [resounding]YES![/resounding] --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:31, 23 November 2005 (EST)

===Missing Gamemaster?===

I have good news and bad news: I'm pregnant. That's the good news. The bad news is that Ghyll, and my "gamemastering" of it will be taking a back seat to that pregnancy. This presents a bit of a problem for me: Round 3 will be about 75% finished by the time the baby arrives. What I don't want to happen is that last 25% to be unintegrated - without fact checking, or Indices modification ([[Encyclopedant Calendar|timeline]], [[WhoIsWho|who's who]], etc., etc.) I'd much rather NOT do a R3 if it's gonna die a horrible death 75% of the way through. I'm looking for suggestions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:From my standpoint, not knowing too much about the inner workings of wiki and how to format pages, I think I would have trouble if I had to add the consequences of my entry (people, places, dates) into [[WhoIsWho]], [[WhereIsWhere]], and the [[Encyclopedant Calendar|Timeline]]. However, I have noticed that you've got some skilled Encyclopedants working under you, Morb. [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], and others might be able to interim admin if you asked them real nice, especially since they'd have plenty of time to get ready before you inevitably leave us. And if not, there are other options, like an accelerated round, or Ghyll taking a sabbatical with you. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:32, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::First of all, Congratulations, Morbus. Do you '''''want''''' to suspend Ghyll at that point, or do you want it to move on? If you want others to take on some of the editing/checking responsibilities, you should set up an Encyclopedants Committee who will take on those tasks. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:32, 7 December 2005 (EST)

:::It has always been my intention for Ghyll to live a long life. So, I would hate if my inevitable leaving caused Ghyll to "die", in the sense of no further updates to it. I do have every intention of returning to Ghyll in my normal glory once my available time returns to full sanity. Of course, I have absolutely no control over that: it could be six months after the birth, it could be six years. No flippin' idea. I've never played Baby: The Coddling before. My concern is, largely, the ''integrity'' of Ghyll whilst I'm gone. I hesitate to give more grandeur to them then necessary, but I do see the Indices as one of the more powerful ways to curb errors, in regards to dates and locations. With all the work put into them now, I'm a little nervous about letting them "maintain themselves", as it were, without the anal attention to detail I've put into them. So, the answer, I guess, is: I want Ghyll to move on without me, but only if it receives the gamemaster-y attention it deserves. If it doesn't receive that gamemaster-y attention that I (perhaps erroneously) think is necessary for it's integrity, I'd rather let it be suspended than slighted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:49, 7 December 2005 (EST)

:As for replacement gamemasters, the two who have been with Ghyll the longest, Sbp and Jcowan, are interminably busy and can't commit to something that far in advance. Which leads me more to a "no Round 3 since it'll suffer in the end" instead of "aaah, it'll all work out, right?" I'm also "up in the air" about a "speed round", with it ending months BEFORE the baby arrives. Either way, it still means a Round 4 without me, which brings up back to the same problem: gamemaster or suspend? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:49, 7 December 2005 (EST)

::How about making the next Round an [[Orthogonality]] round? Say Round 3 is about [[Xurient]] rather than Ghyll. And Morbus plays only a standard role from the outset. Whoever is (are) going to take over the GM duties does those things. That way, if it goes wrong, it doesn't seriously impact on the established canon, and can perhaps even be excised if necessary. And if it works, then we've built more about Xurient and its relationship to Ghyll proper. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 15:07, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:::I like this "Xurient" idea for it allows those of us who desire to continue in this game to do so but it also creates a body of work that can be drastically edited or excised (if necessary) without "harming" the canon that has been created under the supervision of Morbus. I am a bit confused, however, with orthogonalities - isn't the Xurient simply a region very far away from the Folktown/Iganefta region which has been the main basis for the game? I thought "Ghyll" was the name of the world. Or are you saying that "Ghyll" is one world and "Xurient" is an entirely differnet world??? yes, there are many entries I have not read, and some I have read yet not understood - so if this whole time we've been dealing with multiple worlds that is news to me. --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 15:22, 14 December 2005 (EST)

::::More technically, the [[Xurient]] ''turning point'' is "very far away" from the center of Ghyll. Re-read [[orthogonalities]], with an eye toward "Ghyll proper" for some of your other questions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:25, 14 December 2005 (EST)

:::I also like the idea of expanding on other Orthos for the duration of the time Morbus is gone. I vote YEA. The only less-than-desirable outcome I can see happening from such a change in the play style is that we will still need to keep track of changes to the world of Ghyll in the wake of an Ortho entry, and not put them into canon until the turn is successfully completed, in keeping with the whole "If we screw up, we can deny that it happened" round philosophy. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:56, 17 December 2005 (EST)

:::We could always just say that anything affecting Ghyll proper is off limits, with the exception of things that originate in Ghyll and extend into the Xurient. I for one am very in favor of this whole idea, especially since I don't see the Xurient getting fleshed out much otherwise. I would also suggest that the Xuriental round take place IG at the same time as this last Ghyll Proper round, so we don't have to explain why the scholars all took a year off to go study a completely different Orthogonality. Say the Xurientals were impressed with the Ghyll encyclopedia and started making one of their own. In fact, that answers just about every IG question that I can think of. Even if the whole thing gets thrown away, that could easily be because it was found that the emperor of Xurient, or whoever's in charge over there, was heavily censoring the Xurient encyclopedia to make the Xurient look better. Ghyll scholars would then have to reject it as a legitimate source of information. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 02:04, 19 December 2005 (EST)

:I don't personally like the Xurient idea. To do it right would require brand new indices (so that it'd be easy to "delete" it all if necessary) and blah blah blah. At this point, I'm leaning more toward a "lightning round 3", in Ghyll proper, with me just editing (and not contributing new entries). --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:08, 19 December 2005 (EST)

::I certainly didn't think through all the technicalities of doing a Xurient round, and I see the potential problems you point out. What about doing a "telephone pad" round (or maybe even two) in the available time? Do you plan a "lightning round" being shorter turns for entries? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 09:30, 19 December 2005 (EST)

:::Telephone pad is what I was planning, yes, though I need to poke around more and see if others were choosing "one entry per letter group" or something else entirely (like some crazy " entry per letter per group in the allotted time" (which I'm a little hesitant about, personally). --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:35, 19 December 2005 (EST)

::::I always understood telephone pad as "one entry per letter group". Even if someone else treats it differently, that would be the way to implement it in order to run a lightning round. I'd also suggest that the Rule of X should also be suspended, since there are options other than X when we reach that point. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 14:29, 19 December 2005 (EST)

:::::Aside from this little comment, I'm gonna stay out of this discussion and just play round three according to the rules everyone else is using. I don't know what "telephone pad" play is, nor do I like the idea of indices specifically for Xurient, so I'll just stay quiet until R3 starts. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 17:49, 27 December 2005 (EST)

==Between Rounds==

The following was hammered out during R1-->R2. They'd still apply.

===Allow a rest period between rounds===
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.
* Finish up any discussions on this page.
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.

===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===
* Edit ANY entry for clarity and collection.
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.

==Proposed Rule Changes==

===No restrictions on 3 entry citations===

A player should be able to cite three of any entries in one's citations, not necessarily two phantoms and one finished entry as is the case now. We'd still have to abide by the "don't cite yourself" restriction. The ONLY thing this proposed rule changes is the ''type'' of citations you have to make, not the number. You'd still have to write an entry that has three official citations not your own. Whether those citations are three existing entries, two existing entries and one phantom, three phantoms, or what have you, would no longer matter. You'd still have the ability to generate one new phantom a turn, it'd just be by choice, as opposed to forced.

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

===Writing phantoms first is no longer required===

One should be able to write any entry under the particular turn letter, not necessarily filling in all the phantoms before creating new entries. (This partially coincides with the next rule as well, but ultimately strives to make the playing experience more enjoyable: there's no love in being forced to write an entry you've no interest in.) --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]]

Just as long as some phantoms still do get defined. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:27, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:With this rule in place, it becomes player choice, not an enforceable rule. If other players (or you yourself) want to define an existing phantom for the current letter, you can. Alternatively, if you wanted to create a brand new term entry each and every turn, this rule would allow that as well. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::But if everybody always writes new entries, and nobody ever writes phantoms, that's a bad thing. I dunno, I have mixed feelings about this one. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 12:47, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I share your concern but, ultimately, I think it won't be an issue. If worse comes to worse I, being the GM, will fill in phantoms should the need arise. But, honestly, that's not a forced march of any kind: there are a number of phantoms I'm quite interested in defining. From your own standpoint, do you see yourself defining phantoms on occasion? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 13:32, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::Most certainly. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:22, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::::I would suggest establishing a threshold number of phantoms for a particular letter below which one need not be forced to write an undesirable entry. Say, for example, if there are two or fewer phantoms remaining, you can instead choose to write something other than a phantomed entry. This way, everyone is always afforded a choice, while existing phantoms are not completely ignored either. Setting out the phantoms for others to write is a key element of the interconnectedness of the game (at least, as I understand it). The other suggestion I'd offer would be to set an additional requirement (incoporating additional phantoms or entries, perhaps) on any player selected free entries. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:19, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just changed my vote. Phantoms are too important a part of the game. They're the thread that ties it into a web and they make things so much more interesting, when you have to write some article you never otherwise would. Not that my single vote's going to make much of a difference against everyone else. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:23, 23 November 2005 (EST)

:Not to jump on the bandwagon (or [[trundle cart]], as the case may be), but Dfaran has a point, damnit. When I dibbed [[Absolute Erasure]], it was because I wanted to contribute, and I couldn't fathom, under the Rule of X, to create my own entry under ''any'' letter in the alphabet. And when I began researching the facts surrounding the Erasure, I found out that the phantom I chose was wove so tightly into the world of Ghyll that the entry became an absolute joy to write. Perhaps also, a joy to read, as it became my first and only Spotlighted entry. There are still a ''lot'' of undefined phantoms, and a ''lot'' of them are integral to the world of Ghyll as we know it. Things like [[Perky]], [[Dulalian Empire]], [[Umlaut Tea]], and [[Palace of Lost Souls]] are very important parts of Ghyll, and I'm surprised to see that they've been passed by--some of them twice. I guess what I'm trying to say is, go ahead and enact this rule if you wish, but then you'll have me filling in all these phantoms and, well, that could get messy. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 00:49, 26 November 2005 (EST)

One solution I've just thought of is, perhaps before we get started with Round 3, every scholar gets the chance to define any ONE phantom they wish. What do you think? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 21:42, 30 November 2005 (EST)

:While I don't have an objection to this, I don't see what it accomplishes for us. I suppose you could just as easily give everyone one free dib on the current phantom set, so that scholars could stake out a particular item they want to address in the new Round. But it doesn't seem that useful to me to be worth bothering with. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:38, 1 December 2005 (EST)

===No entries solely about people, groups, or places===

Ban creating entries, even of currently phantomed entries, that are either people, groups, or places. We have way too many of those types of entries already, and banning them would force people to be more creative. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

If we don't write about People, Groups, and Places what do you have in mind? --[[User: Nikos of Ant| Nikos of Ant]] 15:19, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Actually, there's an awful lot. This rule only restricts the creation of ''entire'' entries about people - so, no one would be able to define [[Baby Alek]], but they could certainly continue to talk about the Baby Alek courtcase, or transcribe the court proceedings, or talk about the chemical process that cut him up into all those little pieces. You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places ''in the course of your entry on something else'', they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself. Take a look at all the entries for A. Out of 35 entries, only roughly half are ''named'' for a person, place, or group. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:33, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I'd like to phase this in by disallowing new phantoms that are proper nouns, but still allowing existing proper-noun phantoms to be written. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:49, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I concur with [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]. I think existing phantoms should still be allowed to be defined, but limits on the generation of new phantoms can be used to steer the direction of the encyclopedia. Would it be useful to impose some limits on [[Special:Categories|categories]] for Round 3 as a way of accomplishing this? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:29, 22 November 2005 (EST)

:I like this idea except that I don't think there have been all that many new places recently. In fact, I'd like to see the Ghyllian geography expand, myself. I'm all for banning people and groups, though. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:26, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Out of curiosity: what will that solve? Or, "just because"? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:30, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::More geography? I just don't think we're at a point where we don't need new places, that's all. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 22:31, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::I tend to disagree, but that's OK. I think the creation of new places, currently, fractures Ghyll further, making it harder to talk about politics, practices, and history that ''matter'', and actually have a lasting effect to other players and future entries. Creating a new place merely creates a separate pocket that has little to do with the rest of written Ghyll. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::The above rule stating, ''You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places "in the course of your entry on something else", they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself'', is also not disallowing more ''geography'', just ''direct'' cites on places. With this understanding it seems it "could" push many of us to new creativity, but of course, ultimate play enjoyablility and degree of well-written entries is still dependent upon who actually comes to ths site and plays. I would not, however, make it a ban on proper nouns - if that is the case then not even processes can be cited; for example [[Awal Shrinkage|Awal shrinkage]] is NOT a person, place or group, it is a process, but the ''name'' of this particular process '''is''' a ''proper noun''! --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 10:23, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::Actually it isn't. Awal shrinkage is named after Awal, and "Awal" is indeed a proper noun, but "Awal shrinkage" is a common (compound) noun. There is no reason why common nouns can't have proper nouns embedded in them: consider "Bush" vs. "the Bush administration". Of course, "Awal Shrinkage", the name of Madam Calvian's poodle (say), would be once again a proper noun. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:06, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)

So what's the status of this new rule? Apparently, since Morbus has YEA'd it, we will be integrating it in some form, but will we be able to define current proper noun phantoms first, or are we completely restricted from proper nouns altogether? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:16, 5 December 2005 (EST)

:The rule will only apply to newly created phantoms - those that have been created in previous rounds are still in play, and thus, still definable as normal. I'll figure out someway to word this into the revised ruling when it's enacted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 20:07, 5 December 2005 (EST)

===Dib a new entry when you've finished your own===

I would suggest revising the rules to allow a player to place a dib immediately once a current entry is completed. This would encourage people to complete entries early in order to earn a dib. Perhaps dibs could also be extended beyond the next letter in sequence, so if someone wanted to write an entry for a Q phantom and had some good ideas for it, they could stake their claim early on. Alternatively, special dibs could be awarded either by acclaim by other encyclopedants or simply based on having an article chosen as a spotlight. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:50, 21 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I don't like this idea. Some people write articles later rather than sooner because of busy schedules. Other sorts of special dibbing privilages sound unfair and a probable cause of confusion and unhappiness. Besides, part of the point of the game is having to write articles that you normally wouldn't and then coming up with something totally unexpected and interesting. At least, I feel that way. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:59, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:While it would be nice, as [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] said, to reward such creativity that merits a Spotlight entry, seeing my entry for [[Absolute Erasure]] mentioned on the main page made me proud enough that I don't need a special dib. Plus, just today did my internet finally get reconnected after I had gone nearly two weeks without the wonderful world of Ghyll, so one must take that into account. Prolificness does not equal profoundness. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:01, 22 November 2005 (EST)

===Turn order progresses from Z to A===

Okay, this is a pretty big change to suggest and probably Morbus will be no-ing it as soon as he sees it, but what if for round three we started at turn Z and went back to turn A? The reason being, I've noticed the last couple of turns started with lots of players at the beginning of the round and then slowly lost them here and there until by turn Z we were only producing a few articles a turn. If we reverse the order, then it stands to reason there will be a lot more Z articles and only a few more A articles, balancing things out. Then again, the english language supports words that begin with letters at the beginning of the alphabet much more than it does all those Xs and Ws and Zs at the end, and there aren't as many (or, as a matter of fact, any at all) Z phantoms right now. So, any thoughts? --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 20:52, 30 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] (start at P)
 NAY: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I've also heard of Lexicons where everyone started at a different place (like the first letter of the player's last name) and then everyone progresses from their own start point. Here, everyone stays together in a cohort, which is fine. But getting that startup bulge (I've noticed it as well) in a different part of the alphabet would be a good thing. Starting at Z and going backward might put too much of a challenge (no Z, Y, X or V phantoms currently) at the beginning and thereby scare people off. How about starting somewhere in the middle of the alphabet? Or, even better, start with whatever letter has the most phantoms. (It looks like that would be P, which has 16 phantoms.) I'd be happy with either approach. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:28, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:Starting with P might be a good idea, actually. I'm for it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

::That sounds too complicated for me. If we're going to do this, we should keep it in SOME form of logical order that everyone knows ahead of time.--[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 19:52, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:::I know that I haven't contributed to Ghyll since back in F or so.. but that is exactly Snood's point. It is true that the Ghyllian dictionary is a little "bottom heavy". For what it's worth, I like Snood's idea. --[[User:Larj Zyquon|Larj Zyquon]] 11:14, 6 December 2005 (EST)

::::I didn't come up with the idea, [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran]] did. I'm just a hanger-on. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 12:56, 6 December 2005 (EST)

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-17T23:56:38Z

Snood Trunion: /* Missing Gamemaster? */ I forgot my name.

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This page is for discussing Round 3 of Ghyll, currently scheduled to begin January 2006.

==Should there be a Round 3?==

Are you interested? Would you play? What (rules, date, style, etc.) should change? What makes you unhappy with the current state of play? I've had every intent to keep the Ghyll Lexicon going as long as there are players (and perhaps longer) - in the absence of them, I'd probably move on to other (slower, less regular) products such as a Ghyll game deadtree book ("Poor Ghyllians Almanac" is the most popular choice at the moment, though that, honestly, is years away). Some folks have been debating privately whether to stop playing, and their dissatisfaction partly comes from the quality of phantoms being produced (and thus, needing to be written). What sort of phantoms and entries do you prefer to write? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:08, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:What about introducing some kind of collaboration to the game? Sometimes, it would be useful to get more than one viewpoint brought in beforehand. For example, if you had actually "interviewed" me about the [[Order of Mnerr]], to make it a bit more collaborative. There is a limit past which I don't want to press, because I'm afraid of stepping on someone else's toes. I don't know if that's just me, or if other people similarly are hesitant to take on certain things on their own. I'd also like to see a collegial discussion forum that could allow scholars to pose questions to their colleagues. There's a bit of it in some of the appended scholarly comments, but a central forum might develop some life if some interaction between scholars became more a part of the system. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 17:22, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Hmm. There's nothing, ultimately, stopping this sort of thing from happening *right now*. I think the logistics of it (integration as opposed to collegial discussion), however (specifically, getting other players to respond in a timely, and quality, manner) are a bit too complicated to make it "official". As I'm sure you can see from the RecentChanges, some players do everything on Friday, some jot notes early, some come outta nowhere, leave their final and only edit, and then disappear for months. As for collegial discussion, there was a bit of that out-of-turn, per se, at [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Are you proposing, perhaps, some sort of Inn/Tavern-ish meeting? Perhaps a Scholars-only Bulletin Board? (Bulletin boards do exist publically and in-game - see [[Karcist League]], for example, so it wouldn't be an oddity or breakage...) --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 17:52, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I would have liked to have been around for the [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Some little bulletin board kind of thing where the scholars can unite in character for some banter (friendly or not) would be quite well received, at least by me. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 01:03, 26 November 2005 (EST)

:::I agree. I'm not looking to ''force'' collaboration at any point, but some benefits might arise if some things could be worked out that way. (I actually wanted to see what someone else would do with the [[Order of Mnerr|Order]], otherwise, I wouldn't have phantomed it.) Something that exists at the top level and that encourages everyone to contribute and to exchange messages, perhaps. Right now, I would feel uncomforatble adding something to the '''navigation''' sidebar myself, even if it's okay. That sort of thing probably needs to come from "on high." --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Also, what if someone were to start periodic postings of articles published in [[Quester and Phorrus]] or [[Folktown Records]], for example? Rather than being a static entry, there would, instead, be an ongoing list of what is being published (or submitted for publication) and an opportunity for some intertwining of writing. Things could be linked to the encyclopedia, but it might also provide an opportunity for a different kind of writing. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I hereby proclaim to all of Ghyll proper that I am addicted to this game and the knowledge in the encyclopedia. I would love to continue to contribute to this world as long as creative souls inhabit it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:04, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just realized I never posted a resounding YES in answer to this question. So, [resounding]YES![/resounding] --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:31, 23 November 2005 (EST)

===Missing Gamemaster?===

I have good news and bad news: I'm pregnant. That's the good news. The bad news is that Ghyll, and my "gamemastering" of it will be taking a back seat to that pregnancy. This presents a bit of a problem for me: Round 3 will be about 75% finished by the time the baby arrives. What I don't want to happen is that last 25% to be unintegrated - without fact checking, or Indices modification ([[Encyclopedant Calendar|timeline]], [[WhoIsWho|who's who]], etc., etc.) I'd much rather NOT do a R3 if it's gonna die a horrible death 75% of the way through. I'm looking for suggestions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:From my standpoint, not knowing too much about the inner workings of wiki and how to format pages, I think I would have trouble if I had to add the consequences of my entry (people, places, dates) into [[WhoIsWho]], [[WhereIsWhere]], and the [[Encyclopedant Calendar|Timeline]]. However, I have noticed that you've got some skilled Encyclopedants working under you, Morb. [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], and others might be able to interim admin if you asked them real nice, especially since they'd have plenty of time to get ready before you inevitably leave us. And if not, there are other options, like an accelerated round, or Ghyll taking a sabbatical with you. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:32, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::First of all, Congratulations, Morbus. Do you '''''want''''' to suspend Ghyll at that point, or do you want it to move on? If you want others to take on some of the editing/checking responsibilities, you should set up an Encyclopedants Committee who will take on those tasks. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:32, 7 December 2005 (EST)

:::It has always been my intention for Ghyll to live a long life. So, I would hate if my inevitable leaving caused Ghyll to "die", in the sense of no further updates to it. I do have every intention of returning to Ghyll in my normal glory once my available time returns to full sanity. Of course, I have absolutely no control over that: it could be six months after the birth, it could be six years. No flippin' idea. I've never played Baby: The Coddling before. My concern is, largely, the ''integrity'' of Ghyll whilst I'm gone. I hesitate to give more grandeur to them then necessary, but I do see the Indices as one of the more powerful ways to curb errors, in regards to dates and locations. With all the work put into them now, I'm a little nervous about letting them "maintain themselves", as it were, without the anal attention to detail I've put into them. So, the answer, I guess, is: I want Ghyll to move on without me, but only if it receives the gamemaster-y attention it deserves. If it doesn't receive that gamemaster-y attention that I (perhaps erroneously) think is necessary for it's integrity, I'd rather let it be suspended than slighted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:49, 7 December 2005 (EST)

:As for replacement gamemasters, the two who have been with Ghyll the longest, Sbp and Jcowan, are interminably busy and can't commit to something that far in advance. Which leads me more to a "no Round 3 since it'll suffer in the end" instead of "aaah, it'll all work out, right?" I'm also "up in the air" about a "speed round", with it ending months BEFORE the baby arrives. Either way, it still means a Round 4 without me, which brings up back to the same problem: gamemaster or suspend? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:49, 7 December 2005 (EST)

::How about making the next Round an [[Orthogonality]] round? Say Round 3 is about [[Xurient]] rather than Ghyll. And Morbus plays only a standard role from the outset. Whoever is (are) going to take over the GM duties does those things. That way, if it goes wrong, it doesn't seriously impact on the established canon, and can perhaps even be excised if necessary. And if it works, then we've built more about Xurient and its relationship to Ghyll proper. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 15:07, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:::I like this "Xurient" idea for it allows those of us who desire to continue in this game to do so but it also creates a body of work that can be drastically edited or excised (if necessary) without "harming" the canon that has been created under the supervision of Morbus. I am a bit confused, however, with orthogonalities - isn't the Xurient simply a region very far away from the Folktown/Iganefta region which has been the main basis for the game? I thought "Ghyll" was the name of the world. Or are you saying that "Ghyll" is one world and "Xurient" is an entirely differnet world??? yes, there are many entries I have not read, and some I have read yet not understood - so if this whole time we've been dealing with multiple worlds that is news to me. --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 15:22, 14 December 2005 (EST)

::::More technically, the [[Xurient]] ''turning point'' is "very far away" from the center of Ghyll. Re-read [[orthogonalities]], with an eye toward "Ghyll proper" for some of your other questions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:25, 14 December 2005 (EST)

:::I also like the idea of expanding on other Orthos for the duration of the time Morbus is gone. I vote YEA. The only less-than-desirable outcome I can see happening from such a change in the play style is that we will still need to keep track of changes to the world of Ghyll in the wake of an Ortho entry, and not put them into canon until the turn is successfully completed, in keeping with the whole "If we screw up, we can deny that it happened" round philosophy. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:56, 17 December 2005 (EST)

==Between Rounds==

The following was hammered out during R1-->R2. They'd still apply.

===Allow a rest period between rounds===
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.
* Finish up any discussions on this page.
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.

===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===
* Edit ANY entry for clarity and collection.
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.

==Proposed Rule Changes==

===No restrictions on 3 entry citations===

A player should be able to cite three of any entries in one's citations, not necessarily two phantoms and one finished entry as is the case now. We'd still have to abide by the "don't cite yourself" restriction. The ONLY thing this proposed rule changes is the ''type'' of citations you have to make, not the number. You'd still have to write an entry that has three official citations not your own. Whether those citations are three existing entries, two existing entries and one phantom, three phantoms, or what have you, would no longer matter. You'd still have the ability to generate one new phantom a turn, it'd just be by choice, as opposed to forced.

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

===Writing phantoms first is no longer required===

One should be able to write any entry under the particular turn letter, not necessarily filling in all the phantoms before creating new entries. (This partially coincides with the next rule as well, but ultimately strives to make the playing experience more enjoyable: there's no love in being forced to write an entry you've no interest in.) --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]]

Just as long as some phantoms still do get defined. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:27, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:With this rule in place, it becomes player choice, not an enforceable rule. If other players (or you yourself) want to define an existing phantom for the current letter, you can. Alternatively, if you wanted to create a brand new term entry each and every turn, this rule would allow that as well. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::But if everybody always writes new entries, and nobody ever writes phantoms, that's a bad thing. I dunno, I have mixed feelings about this one. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 12:47, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I share your concern but, ultimately, I think it won't be an issue. If worse comes to worse I, being the GM, will fill in phantoms should the need arise. But, honestly, that's not a forced march of any kind: there are a number of phantoms I'm quite interested in defining. From your own standpoint, do you see yourself defining phantoms on occasion? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 13:32, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::Most certainly. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:22, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::::I would suggest establishing a threshold number of phantoms for a particular letter below which one need not be forced to write an undesirable entry. Say, for example, if there are two or fewer phantoms remaining, you can instead choose to write something other than a phantomed entry. This way, everyone is always afforded a choice, while existing phantoms are not completely ignored either. Setting out the phantoms for others to write is a key element of the interconnectedness of the game (at least, as I understand it). The other suggestion I'd offer would be to set an additional requirement (incoporating additional phantoms or entries, perhaps) on any player selected free entries. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:19, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just changed my vote. Phantoms are too important a part of the game. They're the thread that ties it into a web and they make things so much more interesting, when you have to write some article you never otherwise would. Not that my single vote's going to make much of a difference against everyone else. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:23, 23 November 2005 (EST)

:Not to jump on the bandwagon (or [[trundle cart]], as the case may be), but Dfaran has a point, damnit. When I dibbed [[Absolute Erasure]], it was because I wanted to contribute, and I couldn't fathom, under the Rule of X, to create my own entry under ''any'' letter in the alphabet. And when I began researching the facts surrounding the Erasure, I found out that the phantom I chose was wove so tightly into the world of Ghyll that the entry became an absolute joy to write. Perhaps also, a joy to read, as it became my first and only Spotlighted entry. There are still a ''lot'' of undefined phantoms, and a ''lot'' of them are integral to the world of Ghyll as we know it. Things like [[Perky]], [[Dulalian Empire]], [[Umlaut Tea]], and [[Palace of Lost Souls]] are very important parts of Ghyll, and I'm surprised to see that they've been passed by--some of them twice. I guess what I'm trying to say is, go ahead and enact this rule if you wish, but then you'll have me filling in all these phantoms and, well, that could get messy. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 00:49, 26 November 2005 (EST)

One solution I've just thought of is, perhaps before we get started with Round 3, every scholar gets the chance to define any ONE phantom they wish. What do you think? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 21:42, 30 November 2005 (EST)

:While I don't have an objection to this, I don't see what it accomplishes for us. I suppose you could just as easily give everyone one free dib on the current phantom set, so that scholars could stake out a particular item they want to address in the new Round. But it doesn't seem that useful to me to be worth bothering with. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:38, 1 December 2005 (EST)

===No entries solely about people, groups, or places===

Ban creating entries, even of currently phantomed entries, that are either people, groups, or places. We have way too many of those types of entries already, and banning them would force people to be more creative. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

If we don't write about People, Groups, and Places what do you have in mind? --[[User: Nikos of Ant| Nikos of Ant]] 15:19, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Actually, there's an awful lot. This rule only restricts the creation of ''entire'' entries about people - so, no one would be able to define [[Baby Alek]], but they could certainly continue to talk about the Baby Alek courtcase, or transcribe the court proceedings, or talk about the chemical process that cut him up into all those little pieces. You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places ''in the course of your entry on something else'', they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself. Take a look at all the entries for A. Out of 35 entries, only roughly half are ''named'' for a person, place, or group. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:33, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I'd like to phase this in by disallowing new phantoms that are proper nouns, but still allowing existing proper-noun phantoms to be written. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:49, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I concur with [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]. I think existing phantoms should still be allowed to be defined, but limits on the generation of new phantoms can be used to steer the direction of the encyclopedia. Would it be useful to impose some limits on [[Special:Categories|categories]] for Round 3 as a way of accomplishing this? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:29, 22 November 2005 (EST)

:I like this idea except that I don't think there have been all that many new places recently. In fact, I'd like to see the Ghyllian geography expand, myself. I'm all for banning people and groups, though. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:26, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Out of curiosity: what will that solve? Or, "just because"? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:30, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::More geography? I just don't think we're at a point where we don't need new places, that's all. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 22:31, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::I tend to disagree, but that's OK. I think the creation of new places, currently, fractures Ghyll further, making it harder to talk about politics, practices, and history that ''matter'', and actually have a lasting effect to other players and future entries. Creating a new place merely creates a separate pocket that has little to do with the rest of written Ghyll. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::The above rule stating, ''You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places "in the course of your entry on something else", they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself'', is also not disallowing more ''geography'', just ''direct'' cites on places. With this understanding it seems it "could" push many of us to new creativity, but of course, ultimate play enjoyablility and degree of well-written entries is still dependent upon who actually comes to ths site and plays. I would not, however, make it a ban on proper nouns - if that is the case then not even processes can be cited; for example [[Awal Shrinkage|Awal shrinkage]] is NOT a person, place or group, it is a process, but the ''name'' of this particular process '''is''' a ''proper noun''! --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 10:23, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::Actually it isn't. Awal shrinkage is named after Awal, and "Awal" is indeed a proper noun, but "Awal shrinkage" is a common (compound) noun. There is no reason why common nouns can't have proper nouns embedded in them: consider "Bush" vs. "the Bush administration". Of course, "Awal Shrinkage", the name of Madam Calvian's poodle (say), would be once again a proper noun. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:06, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)

So what's the status of this new rule? Apparently, since Morbus has YEA'd it, we will be integrating it in some form, but will we be able to define current proper noun phantoms first, or are we completely restricted from proper nouns altogether? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:16, 5 December 2005 (EST)

:The rule will only apply to newly created phantoms - those that have been created in previous rounds are still in play, and thus, still definable as normal. I'll figure out someway to word this into the revised ruling when it's enacted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 20:07, 5 December 2005 (EST)

===Dib a new entry when you've finished your own===

I would suggest revising the rules to allow a player to place a dib immediately once a current entry is completed. This would encourage people to complete entries early in order to earn a dib. Perhaps dibs could also be extended beyond the next letter in sequence, so if someone wanted to write an entry for a Q phantom and had some good ideas for it, they could stake their claim early on. Alternatively, special dibs could be awarded either by acclaim by other encyclopedants or simply based on having an article chosen as a spotlight. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:50, 21 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I don't like this idea. Some people write articles later rather than sooner because of busy schedules. Other sorts of special dibbing privilages sound unfair and a probable cause of confusion and unhappiness. Besides, part of the point of the game is having to write articles that you normally wouldn't and then coming up with something totally unexpected and interesting. At least, I feel that way. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:59, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:While it would be nice, as [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] said, to reward such creativity that merits a Spotlight entry, seeing my entry for [[Absolute Erasure]] mentioned on the main page made me proud enough that I don't need a special dib. Plus, just today did my internet finally get reconnected after I had gone nearly two weeks without the wonderful world of Ghyll, so one must take that into account. Prolificness does not equal profoundness. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:01, 22 November 2005 (EST)

===Turn order progresses from Z to A===

Okay, this is a pretty big change to suggest and probably Morbus will be no-ing it as soon as he sees it, but what if for round three we started at turn Z and went back to turn A? The reason being, I've noticed the last couple of turns started with lots of players at the beginning of the round and then slowly lost them here and there until by turn Z we were only producing a few articles a turn. If we reverse the order, then it stands to reason there will be a lot more Z articles and only a few more A articles, balancing things out. Then again, the english language supports words that begin with letters at the beginning of the alphabet much more than it does all those Xs and Ws and Zs at the end, and there aren't as many (or, as a matter of fact, any at all) Z phantoms right now. So, any thoughts? --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 20:52, 30 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] (start at P)
 NAY: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I've also heard of Lexicons where everyone started at a different place (like the first letter of the player's last name) and then everyone progresses from their own start point. Here, everyone stays together in a cohort, which is fine. But getting that startup bulge (I've noticed it as well) in a different part of the alphabet would be a good thing. Starting at Z and going backward might put too much of a challenge (no Z, Y, X or V phantoms currently) at the beginning and thereby scare people off. How about starting somewhere in the middle of the alphabet? Or, even better, start with whatever letter has the most phantoms. (It looks like that would be P, which has 16 phantoms.) I'd be happy with either approach. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:28, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:Starting with P might be a good idea, actually. I'm for it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

::That sounds too complicated for me. If we're going to do this, we should keep it in SOME form of logical order that everyone knows ahead of time.--[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 19:52, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:::I know that I haven't contributed to Ghyll since back in F or so.. but that is exactly Snood's point. It is true that the Ghyllian dictionary is a little "bottom heavy". For what it's worth, I like Snood's idea. --[[User:Larj Zyquon|Larj Zyquon]] 11:14, 6 December 2005 (EST)

::::I didn't come up with the idea, [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran]] did. I'm just a hanger-on. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 12:56, 6 December 2005 (EST)

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-17T23:54:04Z

Snood Trunion: /* Missing Gamemaster? */ I vote YEA on the Ortho round idea.

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This page is for discussing Round 3 of Ghyll, currently scheduled to begin January 2006.

==Should there be a Round 3?==

Are you interested? Would you play? What (rules, date, style, etc.) should change? What makes you unhappy with the current state of play? I've had every intent to keep the Ghyll Lexicon going as long as there are players (and perhaps longer) - in the absence of them, I'd probably move on to other (slower, less regular) products such as a Ghyll game deadtree book ("Poor Ghyllians Almanac" is the most popular choice at the moment, though that, honestly, is years away). Some folks have been debating privately whether to stop playing, and their dissatisfaction partly comes from the quality of phantoms being produced (and thus, needing to be written). What sort of phantoms and entries do you prefer to write? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:08, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:What about introducing some kind of collaboration to the game? Sometimes, it would be useful to get more than one viewpoint brought in beforehand. For example, if you had actually "interviewed" me about the [[Order of Mnerr]], to make it a bit more collaborative. There is a limit past which I don't want to press, because I'm afraid of stepping on someone else's toes. I don't know if that's just me, or if other people similarly are hesitant to take on certain things on their own. I'd also like to see a collegial discussion forum that could allow scholars to pose questions to their colleagues. There's a bit of it in some of the appended scholarly comments, but a central forum might develop some life if some interaction between scholars became more a part of the system. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 17:22, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Hmm. There's nothing, ultimately, stopping this sort of thing from happening *right now*. I think the logistics of it (integration as opposed to collegial discussion), however (specifically, getting other players to respond in a timely, and quality, manner) are a bit too complicated to make it "official". As I'm sure you can see from the RecentChanges, some players do everything on Friday, some jot notes early, some come outta nowhere, leave their final and only edit, and then disappear for months. As for collegial discussion, there was a bit of that out-of-turn, per se, at [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Are you proposing, perhaps, some sort of Inn/Tavern-ish meeting? Perhaps a Scholars-only Bulletin Board? (Bulletin boards do exist publically and in-game - see [[Karcist League]], for example, so it wouldn't be an oddity or breakage...) --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 17:52, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I would have liked to have been around for the [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Some little bulletin board kind of thing where the scholars can unite in character for some banter (friendly or not) would be quite well received, at least by me. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 01:03, 26 November 2005 (EST)

:::I agree. I'm not looking to ''force'' collaboration at any point, but some benefits might arise if some things could be worked out that way. (I actually wanted to see what someone else would do with the [[Order of Mnerr|Order]], otherwise, I wouldn't have phantomed it.) Something that exists at the top level and that encourages everyone to contribute and to exchange messages, perhaps. Right now, I would feel uncomforatble adding something to the '''navigation''' sidebar myself, even if it's okay. That sort of thing probably needs to come from "on high." --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Also, what if someone were to start periodic postings of articles published in [[Quester and Phorrus]] or [[Folktown Records]], for example? Rather than being a static entry, there would, instead, be an ongoing list of what is being published (or submitted for publication) and an opportunity for some intertwining of writing. Things could be linked to the encyclopedia, but it might also provide an opportunity for a different kind of writing. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I hereby proclaim to all of Ghyll proper that I am addicted to this game and the knowledge in the encyclopedia. I would love to continue to contribute to this world as long as creative souls inhabit it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:04, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just realized I never posted a resounding YES in answer to this question. So, [resounding]YES![/resounding] --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:31, 23 November 2005 (EST)

===Missing Gamemaster?===

I have good news and bad news: I'm pregnant. That's the good news. The bad news is that Ghyll, and my "gamemastering" of it will be taking a back seat to that pregnancy. This presents a bit of a problem for me: Round 3 will be about 75% finished by the time the baby arrives. What I don't want to happen is that last 25% to be unintegrated - without fact checking, or Indices modification ([[Encyclopedant Calendar|timeline]], [[WhoIsWho|who's who]], etc., etc.) I'd much rather NOT do a R3 if it's gonna die a horrible death 75% of the way through. I'm looking for suggestions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:From my standpoint, not knowing too much about the inner workings of wiki and how to format pages, I think I would have trouble if I had to add the consequences of my entry (people, places, dates) into [[WhoIsWho]], [[WhereIsWhere]], and the [[Encyclopedant Calendar|Timeline]]. However, I have noticed that you've got some skilled Encyclopedants working under you, Morb. [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], and others might be able to interim admin if you asked them real nice, especially since they'd have plenty of time to get ready before you inevitably leave us. And if not, there are other options, like an accelerated round, or Ghyll taking a sabbatical with you. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:32, 5 December 2005 (EST)

::First of all, Congratulations, Morbus. Do you '''''want''''' to suspend Ghyll at that point, or do you want it to move on? If you want others to take on some of the editing/checking responsibilities, you should set up an Encyclopedants Committee who will take on those tasks. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:32, 7 December 2005 (EST)

:::It has always been my intention for Ghyll to live a long life. So, I would hate if my inevitable leaving caused Ghyll to "die", in the sense of no further updates to it. I do have every intention of returning to Ghyll in my normal glory once my available time returns to full sanity. Of course, I have absolutely no control over that: it could be six months after the birth, it could be six years. No flippin' idea. I've never played Baby: The Coddling before. My concern is, largely, the ''integrity'' of Ghyll whilst I'm gone. I hesitate to give more grandeur to them then necessary, but I do see the Indices as one of the more powerful ways to curb errors, in regards to dates and locations. With all the work put into them now, I'm a little nervous about letting them "maintain themselves", as it were, without the anal attention to detail I've put into them. So, the answer, I guess, is: I want Ghyll to move on without me, but only if it receives the gamemaster-y attention it deserves. If it doesn't receive that gamemaster-y attention that I (perhaps erroneously) think is necessary for it's integrity, I'd rather let it be suspended than slighted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:49, 7 December 2005 (EST)

:As for replacement gamemasters, the two who have been with Ghyll the longest, Sbp and Jcowan, are interminably busy and can't commit to something that far in advance. Which leads me more to a "no Round 3 since it'll suffer in the end" instead of "aaah, it'll all work out, right?" I'm also "up in the air" about a "speed round", with it ending months BEFORE the baby arrives. Either way, it still means a Round 4 without me, which brings up back to the same problem: gamemaster or suspend? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 16:49, 7 December 2005 (EST)

::How about making the next Round an [[Orthogonality]] round? Say Round 3 is about [[Xurient]] rather than Ghyll. And Morbus plays only a standard role from the outset. Whoever is (are) going to take over the GM duties does those things. That way, if it goes wrong, it doesn't seriously impact on the established canon, and can perhaps even be excised if necessary. And if it works, then we've built more about Xurient and its relationship to Ghyll proper. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 15:07, 8 December 2005 (EST)

:::I like this "Xurient" idea for it allows those of us who desire to continue in this game to do so but it also creates a body of work that can be drastically edited or excised (if necessary) without "harming" the canon that has been created under the supervision of Morbus. I am a bit confused, however, with orthogonalities - isn't the Xurient simply a region very far away from the Folktown/Iganefta region which has been the main basis for the game? I thought "Ghyll" was the name of the world. Or are you saying that "Ghyll" is one world and "Xurient" is an entirely differnet world??? yes, there are many entries I have not read, and some I have read yet not understood - so if this whole time we've been dealing with multiple worlds that is news to me. --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 15:22, 14 December 2005 (EST)

::::More technically, the [[Xurient]] ''turning point'' is "very far away" from the center of Ghyll. Re-read [[orthogonalities]], with an eye toward "Ghyll proper" for some of your other questions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:25, 14 December 2005 (EST)

:::I also like the idea of expanding on other Orthos for the duration of the time Morbus is gone. I vote YEA. The only less-than-desirable outcome I can see happening from such a change in the play style is that we will still need to keep track of changes to the world of Ghyll in the wake of an Ortho entry, and not put them into canon until the turn is successfully completed, in keeping with the whole "If we screw up, we can deny that it happened" round philosophy.

==Between Rounds==

The following was hammered out during R1-->R2. They'd still apply.

===Allow a rest period between rounds===
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.
* Finish up any discussions on this page.
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.

===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===
* Edit ANY entry for clarity and collection.
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.

==Proposed Rule Changes==

===No restrictions on 3 entry citations===

A player should be able to cite three of any entries in one's citations, not necessarily two phantoms and one finished entry as is the case now. We'd still have to abide by the "don't cite yourself" restriction. The ONLY thing this proposed rule changes is the ''type'' of citations you have to make, not the number. You'd still have to write an entry that has three official citations not your own. Whether those citations are three existing entries, two existing entries and one phantom, three phantoms, or what have you, would no longer matter. You'd still have the ability to generate one new phantom a turn, it'd just be by choice, as opposed to forced.

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

===Writing phantoms first is no longer required===

One should be able to write any entry under the particular turn letter, not necessarily filling in all the phantoms before creating new entries. (This partially coincides with the next rule as well, but ultimately strives to make the playing experience more enjoyable: there's no love in being forced to write an entry you've no interest in.) --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]]

Just as long as some phantoms still do get defined. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:27, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:With this rule in place, it becomes player choice, not an enforceable rule. If other players (or you yourself) want to define an existing phantom for the current letter, you can. Alternatively, if you wanted to create a brand new term entry each and every turn, this rule would allow that as well. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::But if everybody always writes new entries, and nobody ever writes phantoms, that's a bad thing. I dunno, I have mixed feelings about this one. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 12:47, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I share your concern but, ultimately, I think it won't be an issue. If worse comes to worse I, being the GM, will fill in phantoms should the need arise. But, honestly, that's not a forced march of any kind: there are a number of phantoms I'm quite interested in defining. From your own standpoint, do you see yourself defining phantoms on occasion? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 13:32, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::Most certainly. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:22, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::::I would suggest establishing a threshold number of phantoms for a particular letter below which one need not be forced to write an undesirable entry. Say, for example, if there are two or fewer phantoms remaining, you can instead choose to write something other than a phantomed entry. This way, everyone is always afforded a choice, while existing phantoms are not completely ignored either. Setting out the phantoms for others to write is a key element of the interconnectedness of the game (at least, as I understand it). The other suggestion I'd offer would be to set an additional requirement (incoporating additional phantoms or entries, perhaps) on any player selected free entries. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:19, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just changed my vote. Phantoms are too important a part of the game. They're the thread that ties it into a web and they make things so much more interesting, when you have to write some article you never otherwise would. Not that my single vote's going to make much of a difference against everyone else. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:23, 23 November 2005 (EST)

:Not to jump on the bandwagon (or [[trundle cart]], as the case may be), but Dfaran has a point, damnit. When I dibbed [[Absolute Erasure]], it was because I wanted to contribute, and I couldn't fathom, under the Rule of X, to create my own entry under ''any'' letter in the alphabet. And when I began researching the facts surrounding the Erasure, I found out that the phantom I chose was wove so tightly into the world of Ghyll that the entry became an absolute joy to write. Perhaps also, a joy to read, as it became my first and only Spotlighted entry. There are still a ''lot'' of undefined phantoms, and a ''lot'' of them are integral to the world of Ghyll as we know it. Things like [[Perky]], [[Dulalian Empire]], [[Umlaut Tea]], and [[Palace of Lost Souls]] are very important parts of Ghyll, and I'm surprised to see that they've been passed by--some of them twice. I guess what I'm trying to say is, go ahead and enact this rule if you wish, but then you'll have me filling in all these phantoms and, well, that could get messy. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 00:49, 26 November 2005 (EST)

One solution I've just thought of is, perhaps before we get started with Round 3, every scholar gets the chance to define any ONE phantom they wish. What do you think? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 21:42, 30 November 2005 (EST)

:While I don't have an objection to this, I don't see what it accomplishes for us. I suppose you could just as easily give everyone one free dib on the current phantom set, so that scholars could stake out a particular item they want to address in the new Round. But it doesn't seem that useful to me to be worth bothering with. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:38, 1 December 2005 (EST)

===No entries solely about people, groups, or places===

Ban creating entries, even of currently phantomed entries, that are either people, groups, or places. We have way too many of those types of entries already, and banning them would force people to be more creative. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

If we don't write about People, Groups, and Places what do you have in mind? --[[User: Nikos of Ant| Nikos of Ant]] 15:19, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Actually, there's an awful lot. This rule only restricts the creation of ''entire'' entries about people - so, no one would be able to define [[Baby Alek]], but they could certainly continue to talk about the Baby Alek courtcase, or transcribe the court proceedings, or talk about the chemical process that cut him up into all those little pieces. You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places ''in the course of your entry on something else'', they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself. Take a look at all the entries for A. Out of 35 entries, only roughly half are ''named'' for a person, place, or group. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:33, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I'd like to phase this in by disallowing new phantoms that are proper nouns, but still allowing existing proper-noun phantoms to be written. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:49, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I concur with [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]. I think existing phantoms should still be allowed to be defined, but limits on the generation of new phantoms can be used to steer the direction of the encyclopedia. Would it be useful to impose some limits on [[Special:Categories|categories]] for Round 3 as a way of accomplishing this? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:29, 22 November 2005 (EST)

:I like this idea except that I don't think there have been all that many new places recently. In fact, I'd like to see the Ghyllian geography expand, myself. I'm all for banning people and groups, though. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:26, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Out of curiosity: what will that solve? Or, "just because"? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:30, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::More geography? I just don't think we're at a point where we don't need new places, that's all. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 22:31, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::I tend to disagree, but that's OK. I think the creation of new places, currently, fractures Ghyll further, making it harder to talk about politics, practices, and history that ''matter'', and actually have a lasting effect to other players and future entries. Creating a new place merely creates a separate pocket that has little to do with the rest of written Ghyll. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::The above rule stating, ''You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places "in the course of your entry on something else", they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself'', is also not disallowing more ''geography'', just ''direct'' cites on places. With this understanding it seems it "could" push many of us to new creativity, but of course, ultimate play enjoyablility and degree of well-written entries is still dependent upon who actually comes to ths site and plays. I would not, however, make it a ban on proper nouns - if that is the case then not even processes can be cited; for example [[Awal Shrinkage|Awal shrinkage]] is NOT a person, place or group, it is a process, but the ''name'' of this particular process '''is''' a ''proper noun''! --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 10:23, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::Actually it isn't. Awal shrinkage is named after Awal, and "Awal" is indeed a proper noun, but "Awal shrinkage" is a common (compound) noun. There is no reason why common nouns can't have proper nouns embedded in them: consider "Bush" vs. "the Bush administration". Of course, "Awal Shrinkage", the name of Madam Calvian's poodle (say), would be once again a proper noun. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:06, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)

So what's the status of this new rule? Apparently, since Morbus has YEA'd it, we will be integrating it in some form, but will we be able to define current proper noun phantoms first, or are we completely restricted from proper nouns altogether? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:16, 5 December 2005 (EST)

:The rule will only apply to newly created phantoms - those that have been created in previous rounds are still in play, and thus, still definable as normal. I'll figure out someway to word this into the revised ruling when it's enacted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 20:07, 5 December 2005 (EST)

===Dib a new entry when you've finished your own===

I would suggest revising the rules to allow a player to place a dib immediately once a current entry is completed. This would encourage people to complete entries early in order to earn a dib. Perhaps dibs could also be extended beyond the next letter in sequence, so if someone wanted to write an entry for a Q phantom and had some good ideas for it, they could stake their claim early on. Alternatively, special dibs could be awarded either by acclaim by other encyclopedants or simply based on having an article chosen as a spotlight. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:50, 21 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I don't like this idea. Some people write articles later rather than sooner because of busy schedules. Other sorts of special dibbing privilages sound unfair and a probable cause of confusion and unhappiness. Besides, part of the point of the game is having to write articles that you normally wouldn't and then coming up with something totally unexpected and interesting. At least, I feel that way. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:59, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:While it would be nice, as [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] said, to reward such creativity that merits a Spotlight entry, seeing my entry for [[Absolute Erasure]] mentioned on the main page made me proud enough that I don't need a special dib. Plus, just today did my internet finally get reconnected after I had gone nearly two weeks without the wonderful world of Ghyll, so one must take that into account. Prolificness does not equal profoundness. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:01, 22 November 2005 (EST)

===Turn order progresses from Z to A===

Okay, this is a pretty big change to suggest and probably Morbus will be no-ing it as soon as he sees it, but what if for round three we started at turn Z and went back to turn A? The reason being, I've noticed the last couple of turns started with lots of players at the beginning of the round and then slowly lost them here and there until by turn Z we were only producing a few articles a turn. If we reverse the order, then it stands to reason there will be a lot more Z articles and only a few more A articles, balancing things out. Then again, the english language supports words that begin with letters at the beginning of the alphabet much more than it does all those Xs and Ws and Zs at the end, and there aren't as many (or, as a matter of fact, any at all) Z phantoms right now. So, any thoughts? --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 20:52, 30 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] (start at P)
 NAY: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I've also heard of Lexicons where everyone started at a different place (like the first letter of the player's last name) and then everyone progresses from their own start point. Here, everyone stays together in a cohort, which is fine. But getting that startup bulge (I've noticed it as well) in a different part of the alphabet would be a good thing. Starting at Z and going backward might put too much of a challenge (no Z, Y, X or V phantoms currently) at the beginning and thereby scare people off. How about starting somewhere in the middle of the alphabet? Or, even better, start with whatever letter has the most phantoms. (It looks like that would be P, which has 16 phantoms.) I'd be happy with either approach. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:28, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:Starting with P might be a good idea, actually. I'm for it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

::That sounds too complicated for me. If we're going to do this, we should keep it in SOME form of logical order that everyone knows ahead of time.--[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 19:52, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:::I know that I haven't contributed to Ghyll since back in F or so.. but that is exactly Snood's point. It is true that the Ghyllian dictionary is a little "bottom heavy". For what it's worth, I like Snood's idea. --[[User:Larj Zyquon|Larj Zyquon]] 11:14, 6 December 2005 (EST)

::::I didn't come up with the idea, [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran]] did. I'm just a hanger-on. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 12:56, 6 December 2005 (EST)

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Snood Trunion:

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Snood Trunion: /* Previous Snood Trunion Bios */ Relinking.

==The Snood Trunion, "Scholar" and Purveyor of the Finest of Things==
The scholarly pursuits of The Snood Trunion, the youngest of this generation of the Trunion lineage, began when he was but four years out of the womb. For it was at this time that he set about trying to put together a detailed classification of all his toy blocks not only by color, but by relative size, weight, shape, and number of bumpy things on the top. And yet, after having devoted seven years of his young life to this endeavor, he felt his life was still not complete. Thus, he applied to [[Bute University]] at the tender age of 11. He was, quite succinctly, denied admittance. This traumatizing event stilted the poor Snood's image of himself, and he went into hiding in the basement of his parent's home. He did not resurface until about -9 [[EC]], at which point he published his book of memoirs, entitled ''Playing the Field: How to Pretend to Know Everything About Everything.'' The book was a best-seller for twelve weeks. Two years later, he published a book of [[luminous manuscript|lumics]] entitled ''I Have No Clue What I'm Doing, But I'm Bound to Pen Another Best-Seller by Name Recognition Alone.'' An excerpt:

: There once was a fellow from Ghyll.
: He doth make his home there yet still.
: Though once in a daze,
: To his friend he did say,
: Man, I can't write lumics for shit!

Since then, The Snood Trunion has lived in [[Folktown]], the center of scholarly life in all of Ghyll, with occasional sabbatical trips to [[Iganefta-on-the-Sea]], where he hopes to purchase his new home. It has been reported that he is planning a journey north to [[Dŵplat]], where he hopes to revel in the clear stream and perhaps finally solve the mystery of the seven-walled house. Best of luck to him.

==Bryan Andrews, Ghyll Player==
A young man of twenty years making his home in rural Texas with wife and three children. At nineteen, obtained an electronic mailing address, situated at [mailto:MysticalGenesis@yahoo.com Yahoo!]. Currently unemployed, as all great scholars tend to be.

'''Entries:'''

* '''U''' - [[Urching tracks]], and phantom [[Toria]]. Please do be gentle in your critiques, as this is my first entry.
* '''V''' - No entry for V. My internet was shut off.
* '''W''' - [[Worrying]], and phantom [[backcountry]]. Perhaps I'm starting to get the hang of this.
* '''X''' - [[Absolute Erasure]], and phantom [[unknown soldier]]. A spotlighted entry! My bosom swells with pride.
* '''Y''' - No entry for Y. We recently moved, and my internet is not connected yet. As such, I am updating from a friend's house.
* '''Z''' - [[Zavinian House]], and phantom [[Trunions]]. My first original entry, and as such, not as cohesive or integrated as I would have wanted.

* '''R2-R3 Mad-edit''' - [[King Harandraff the Great]], a bit of [[Ickle]] and assorted others.

This is '''my''' user page, and if I want to arbitrarily change some facets of my character, I '''will''', damnit!

==Previous Snood Trunion Bios==
Previous versions of the Snood bio can be found [[/bios|here]].

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Snood Trunion: Placeholding.

This is where I plan to store some cool Ghyll-related things.

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'''14 Oct -- 25 Oct, 2005''' 
Not much is known about the Snood Trunion, aside from the well-documented exploits of his brother and sister Trunions. No, the Snood Trunion much despises familiarity, prefering to sulk around in the dark, shadowy confines of his grand manor, which is widely known to be the largest building in [[Folktown]]. It is rumored he has a great many young females traipsing his halls, tending to his every whim. It is also rumored that the grand building in Folktown is not even his residence. As he keeps his business so secretive, most of what is "known" about him is purely hearsay. Many don't even know what manner of species of creature he is, and those who do know, and do tell, are taken with their word as false.

As for the validity of "Snood" being his real name, is has been widely reported that the moniker is indeed an alias. Reports of his actual name vary, from one "official" publication outing him as Corinne Gublingmig, the female adventurer from several centuries ago, to another purporting to have evidence of a written certificate of his birth, in which his name is shown to be Bryan Andrews. But then again, no one could (or should, for that matter) ever be born with such a droll name.

'''25 Oct -- 26 Oct, 2005''' 
Hello, I am the Snood Trunion, last and greatest of the Trunion line. Actually, I don't know for sure that I am the last, as I don't speak to my family since they kicked me out of the basement. I am a scholar, which means I have free reign about the town to copy down my observances, and nobody can tell me my word is false. That also means I don't have to have a "real" job, so there's another plus.

My life consists of donning the preferred disguise of the day (as I am hideously ugly beneath) and walking about [[Folktown]], where I live in the largest building in town. At least, it's largest to me, as I stand no taller than two or three kinanits. One thing I do have to say about the people of Folktown: your feet stink! Do you make it a point to trudge in every splak mound you find?

One last thing: my identity is my own, and not the intellectual property of some twenty-year-old sitting at his desk prescribing my past, present, and destiny. I am my own creature, damnit!

'''26 Oct -- 02 Nov, 2005''' 
The Snood Trunion, noted lumicist... lumicker... lumician... lumaster...

The Snood Trunion, noted writer of lumics. Also a scholar.

: There once was a fellow from Ghyll.
: He doth make his home there yet still.
: Though once in a daze,
: To his friend he did say,
: Man, I can't write lumics for shit!

'''02 Nov -- 04 Nov, 2005''' 
Not the brightest needle in the [[splak]]. 
Not the highest string in the kitchen. 
Not the loosest ball on the chain. 
Not the most exascerbated Monotapute on the plains. 
Not even sure how to spell exascerbated. 
And neverthelessly, one of the foremost scholars and tea brewers on the whole of Ghyll proper.

''"If I only had more fefferberries..."''

'''04 Nov -- 30 Nov, 2005''' 
The scholarly pursuits of The Snood Trunion, the youngest of this generation of the Trunion lineage, began when he was but four years out of the womb. For it was at this time that he set about trying to put together a detailed classification of all his toy blocks not only by color, but by relative size, weight, shape, and number of bumpy things on the top. And yet, after having devoted seven years of his young life to this endeavor, he felt his life was still not complete. Thus, he applied to [[Bute University]] at the tender age of 11. He was, quite succinctly, denied admittance. This traumatizing event stilted the poor Snood's image of himself, and he went into hiding in the basement of his parent's home. He did not resurface until about -9 [[EC]], at which point he published his book of memoirs, entitled ''Playing the Field: How to Pretend to Know Everything About Everything.'' The book was a best-seller for twelve weeks.

The Snood Trunion currently lives in [[Folktown]], where he pretends to know everything about everything. In other words, he has successfully assimilated himself with every other scholar in Ghyll.

User:Snood Trunion

2005-12-06T18:52:28Z

Snood Trunion: /* Bryan Andrews, Ghyll Player */

==The Snood Trunion, "Scholar" and Purveyor of the Finest of Things==
The scholarly pursuits of The Snood Trunion, the youngest of this generation of the Trunion lineage, began when he was but four years out of the womb. For it was at this time that he set about trying to put together a detailed classification of all his toy blocks not only by color, but by relative size, weight, shape, and number of bumpy things on the top. And yet, after having devoted seven years of his young life to this endeavor, he felt his life was still not complete. Thus, he applied to [[Bute University]] at the tender age of 11. He was, quite succinctly, denied admittance. This traumatizing event stilted the poor Snood's image of himself, and he went into hiding in the basement of his parent's home. He did not resurface until about -9 [[EC]], at which point he published his book of memoirs, entitled ''Playing the Field: How to Pretend to Know Everything About Everything.'' The book was a best-seller for twelve weeks. Two years later, he published a book of [[luminous manuscript|lumics]] entitled ''I Have No Clue What I'm Doing, But I'm Bound to Pen Another Best-Seller by Name Recognition Alone.'' An excerpt:

: There once was a fellow from Ghyll.
: He doth make his home there yet still.
: Though once in a daze,
: To his friend he did say,
: Man, I can't write lumics for shit!

Since then, The Snood Trunion has lived in [[Folktown]], the center of scholarly life in all of Ghyll, with occasional sabbatical trips to [[Iganefta-on-the-Sea]], where he hopes to purchase his new home. It has been reported that he is planning a journey north to [[Dŵplat]], where he hopes to revel in the clear stream and perhaps finally solve the mystery of the seven-walled house. Best of luck to him.

==Bryan Andrews, Ghyll Player==
A young man of twenty years making his home in rural Texas with wife and three children. At nineteen, obtained an electronic mailing address, situated at [mailto:MysticalGenesis@yahoo.com Yahoo!]. Currently unemployed, as all great scholars tend to be.

'''Entries:'''

* '''U''' - [[Urching tracks]], and phantom [[Toria]]. Please do be gentle in your critiques, as this is my first entry.
* '''V''' - No entry for V. My internet was shut off.
* '''W''' - [[Worrying]], and phantom [[backcountry]]. Perhaps I'm starting to get the hang of this.
* '''X''' - [[Absolute Erasure]], and phantom [[unknown soldier]]. A spotlighted entry! My bosom swells with pride.
* '''Y''' - No entry for Y. We recently moved, and my internet is not connected yet. As such, I am updating from a friend's house.
* '''Z''' - [[Zavinian House]], and phantom [[Trunions]]. My first original entry, and as such, not as cohesive or integrated as I would have wanted.

* '''R2-R3 Mad-edit''' - [[King Harandraff the Great]], a bit of [[Ickle]] and assorted others.

This is '''my''' user page, and if I want to arbitrarily change some facets of my character, I '''will''', damnit!

==Previous Snood Trunion Bios==
Previous versions of the Snood bio can be found [[/notepad|here]].

Ghyll:Ickle

2005-12-06T18:49:51Z

Snood Trunion: Moved the period so Retrackets would link correctly. Ever have a summary longer than the actual change you made?

'''Ickles''' are a parasitic organism that live in the bodies of modern day Ghyllians. Although they've been around for as long as we can remember, there has been no conclusive or documented proof of their existence before -250 [[EC]], probably attributable to our lack of scientific know-how (or so the [[Council for Quezlarian Research|Council]] would have you believe!). Exactly what the organisms get from their host besides their continued existence is unknown, but they've been known to cause anxious consternation in the infected.

The chief cause of this consternation is accountable to the curious means of reproduction that an Ickle partakes in. Unlike the wooing and howling that [[Ghyllian reproduction|we're]] known to act out, there are no "male" and "female" portions of Ickle "society", merely the "Ickus" and the "Ickus Concipio". The Ickus is equipped with a dagger-like aedeagus used to puncture a hole in the Ickus Concipio, which is then filled with a large deposit of the Ickuses semen. After a short gestation, five to twelve new Ickles are born, ready to start the process anew.

Unfortunately, the Ickus Concipio is the Ghyllian throat. When the need arises, an Ickle will crawl upwards into the throat, find a particularly tasty spot, and begin procreation. The incessant stabbing of the aedeagus causes some mild irritation, resulting in uncontrollable coughs (and originated the phrase "I have an Ickle in my throat"). As modern research into hygiene proved that Ickles can be expelled during these convulsions, many suggest rather strongly to "cover your mouth when you cough" so as to prevent spreading.

The actual act of procreation doesn't truly affect the host in any sort of damaging way... the pain only comes during the birthing period, when the Ickle babies burst forth from the partially healed throat wall. The hurt is further compounded by the coughing fit that follows, making a bad situation even more ragged. [[Umlaut Tea]] has been known to strengthen the recovery process... unfortunately, it has no effect on the mental state of the violated individual.

Rarely, when a baby Ickle has not been expelled from the Ghyllian's throat, it will find its way upwards and borrow into the soft spot of said Ghyllian's carapace, where it will grow and flourish, attaching itself to said Ghyllian's brain. This is commonly called [[Retrackets]].

The origins of Ickles has been attributed to one of two possibilities, both of which are firmly rooted in the realm of idiocy. The first suggests that an overly drunk [[Pyxie]] shapeshifted into the First Ickle, and in the randy state generally typical of said overly drunk [[Pyxie]], attacked the first passerby he saw. After impregnating the unassuming throat, he fell backwards into the belly of the beast, unable to shapeshift back to his normal self. The common [[wive's tale|wives' tale]] that "your face will freeze like that", a warning to misbehaving children, can be roughly traced to this particular origin story.

The other equally preposterous possibility is that the Ickles are made "in the image of Ickus", a god of the [[Alezan pantheon]]. As the people of [[Alezan]] slowly disappeared, the collective feeling of the gods was one of pure and simple survival: what better way to become a living heart, a living core, of Ghyll than to become nearer the hearts and cores of Ghyllians themselves? Their purported answer was quite literal and very representative of the "willies" many Ghyllians report when thinking of the ne'er forgotten pantheon and "aggressive aedeaguses in our feed tubes".

'''Citations''': [[Alezan pantheon]], [[Pyxie]], [[Umlaut Tea]].

--[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:49, 12 Nov 2004 (EST)

[[Category: Wildlife]]

Ghyll:Ickle

2005-12-06T18:48:06Z

Snood Trunion: Adding Retrackets.

'''Ickles''' are a parasitic organism that live in the bodies of modern day Ghyllians. Although they've been around for as long as we can remember, there has been no conclusive or documented proof of their existence before -250 [[EC]], probably attributable to our lack of scientific know-how (or so the [[Council for Quezlarian Research|Council]] would have you believe!). Exactly what the organisms get from their host besides their continued existence is unknown, but they've been known to cause anxious consternation in the infected.

The chief cause of this consternation is accountable to the curious means of reproduction that an Ickle partakes in. Unlike the wooing and howling that [[Ghyllian reproduction|we're]] known to act out, there are no "male" and "female" portions of Ickle "society", merely the "Ickus" and the "Ickus Concipio". The Ickus is equipped with a dagger-like aedeagus used to puncture a hole in the Ickus Concipio, which is then filled with a large deposit of the Ickuses semen. After a short gestation, five to twelve new Ickles are born, ready to start the process anew.

Unfortunately, the Ickus Concipio is the Ghyllian throat. When the need arises, an Ickle will crawl upwards into the throat, find a particularly tasty spot, and begin procreation. The incessant stabbing of the aedeagus causes some mild irritation, resulting in uncontrollable coughs (and originated the phrase "I have an Ickle in my throat"). As modern research into hygiene proved that Ickles can be expelled during these convulsions, many suggest rather strongly to "cover your mouth when you cough" so as to prevent spreading.

The actual act of procreation doesn't truly affect the host in any sort of damaging way... the pain only comes during the birthing period, when the Ickle babies burst forth from the partially healed throat wall. The hurt is further compounded by the coughing fit that follows, making a bad situation even more ragged. [[Umlaut Tea]] has been known to strengthen the recovery process... unfortunately, it has no effect on the mental state of the violated individual.

Rarely, when a baby Ickle has not been expelled from the Ghyllian's throat, it will find its way upwards and borrow into the soft spot of said Ghyllian's carapace, where it will grow and flourish, attaching itself to said Ghyllian's brain. This is commonly called [[Retrackets.]]

The origins of Ickles has been attributed to one of two possibilities, both of which are firmly rooted in the realm of idiocy. The first suggests that an overly drunk [[Pyxie]] shapeshifted into the First Ickle, and in the randy state generally typical of said overly drunk [[Pyxie]], attacked the first passerby he saw. After impregnating the unassuming throat, he fell backwards into the belly of the beast, unable to shapeshift back to his normal self. The common [[wive's tale|wives' tale]] that "your face will freeze like that", a warning to misbehaving children, can be roughly traced to this particular origin story.

The other equally preposterous possibility is that the Ickles are made "in the image of Ickus", a god of the [[Alezan pantheon]]. As the people of [[Alezan]] slowly disappeared, the collective feeling of the gods was one of pure and simple survival: what better way to become a living heart, a living core, of Ghyll than to become nearer the hearts and cores of Ghyllians themselves? Their purported answer was quite literal and very representative of the "willies" many Ghyllians report when thinking of the ne'er forgotten pantheon and "aggressive aedeaguses in our feed tubes".

'''Citations''': [[Alezan pantheon]], [[Pyxie]], [[Umlaut Tea]].

--[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:49, 12 Nov 2004 (EST)

[[Category: Wildlife]]

Ghyll:Hive-Lord

2005-12-06T18:36:04Z

Snood Trunion: Linking linanit.

'''Hive-Lords''', though unremarkable in appearance, wealth, mentality, and respect, are vitally important to the growth of children, steering their direction in life by giving them a single as-yet-unanswered Question to seek the truth of. These queries can range from the suitably mundane ("which of my mandibles is your breakfast in?"), to the delightfully esoteric ("what are the rituals of patron goddess [[Kiluma]]?"), to the philosophically perverted ("is it possible to [[Cartographer's Nerves|enforce consensus reality]] by proclaiming a longer, or smaller, aedeagus?"). Oftentimes, the questions will veer toward community service ("who killed [[Daniel Mboya]]?", "how long would it take you to complete an index of the [[Folktown Records]]?", and "who is the lady in [[Alarius]]' fresco?")

Whatever the Question, the importance of its Answer is reiterated regularly as the young mature. Many consider the solution a status symbol, to "make something of yourself", "grow up", and "make the family proud." Those who get easily Answered Questions are considered to have been "spoon-fed" their status (and those particular Hive-Lords are quite popular among parents who have an "image to uphold"). "Spoon-fed" Ghyllians are often looked down upon by those who dream daily of the same lofty perches, and attacked by miscreants who have eshewed the search for Answers in exchange for destroying what they can't (or won't) attain.

As joyous an occasion it is to publicly proclaim your Answer, it is equally disastrous to solve another person's Question, whether deliberately or accidentally. To do so and be discovered usually means a stripping of one's status and an assignation of an incredibly difficult puzzle (often a Question that has remained unsolved for centuries, having reverted to the public domain after the recipient died). The punishment becomes even worse when knowledgeable and helpful scholars remain tight-lipped, stonewalling questions with a disapproving glance and heavy sigh. Only two people have successfully returned from these travails: [[Quezlar 6]] and Andelphracia, having both answered the other's Question, also worked together to solve their newly assigned Mysteries.

Because of the negative repercussions, editors at the [[Folktown Records]] toe a very fine line (much smaller than a [[Chesix System Of Measures|linanit]]) between what Questions to Answer and which to Reject. No one wants a repeat of Garth Haversham's accidental Answering in -5 [[EC]], but some suspected (hoped, even schemed) it would happen sooner or later after [[AuroAnthropology|his failed baiting of Gibbous Saunders's mother]] in -7 [[EC]]. Garth hasn't been heard from since his banishment, and current speculation places him deep in the [[Elminster Mire]].

Hive-Lords assign Questions when the young has reached 5 years of age.

'''Citations''': [[Folktown Records]], [[Daniel Mboya]], [[Kiluma]].

--[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:54, 5 Nov 2004 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

User talk:Snood Trunion

2005-12-06T18:23:47Z

Snood Trunion: Didn't work.

Didn't work.
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User talk:Snood Trunion

2005-12-06T18:23:20Z

Snood Trunion: Continuing the test.

User talk:Snood Trunion

2005-12-06T18:22:39Z

Snood Trunion: A test, to see if the message GOES AWAY.

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Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-06T18:08:42Z

Snood Trunion: /* Turn order progresses from Z to A */ Adding my name to YEA.

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This page is for discussing Round 3 of Ghyll, currently scheduled to begin January 2006.

==Should there be a Round 3?==

Are you interested? Would you play? What (rules, date, style, etc.) should change? What makes you unhappy with the current state of play? I've had every intent to keep the Ghyll Lexicon going as long as there are players (and perhaps longer) - in the absence of them, I'd probably move on to other (slower, less regular) products such as a Ghyll game deadtree book ("Poor Ghyllians Almanac" is the most popular choice at the moment, though that, honestly, is years away). Some folks have been debating privately whether to stop playing, and their dissatisfaction partly comes from the quality of phantoms being produced (and thus, needing to be written). What sort of phantoms and entries do you prefer to write? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:08, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:What about introducing some kind of collaboration to the game? Sometimes, it would be useful to get more than one viewpoint brought in beforehand. For example, if you had actually "interviewed" me about the [[Order of Mnerr]], to make it a bit more collaborative. There is a limit past which I don't want to press, because I'm afraid of stepping on someone else's toes. I don't know if that's just me, or if other people similarly are hesitant to take on certain things on their own. I'd also like to see a collegial discussion forum that could allow scholars to pose questions to their colleagues. There's a bit of it in some of the appended scholarly comments, but a central forum might develop some life if some interaction between scholars became more a part of the system. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 17:22, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Hmm. There's nothing, ultimately, stopping this sort of thing from happening *right now*. I think the logistics of it (integration as opposed to collegial discussion), however (specifically, getting other players to respond in a timely, and quality, manner) are a bit too complicated to make it "official". As I'm sure you can see from the RecentChanges, some players do everything on Friday, some jot notes early, some come outta nowhere, leave their final and only edit, and then disappear for months. As for collegial discussion, there was a bit of that out-of-turn, per se, at [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Are you proposing, perhaps, some sort of Inn/Tavern-ish meeting? Perhaps a Scholars-only Bulletin Board? (Bulletin boards do exist publically and in-game - see [[Karcist League]], for example, so it wouldn't be an oddity or breakage...) --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 17:52, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I would have liked to have been around for the [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Some little bulletin board kind of thing where the scholars can unite in character for some banter (friendly or not) would be quite well received, at least by me. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 01:03, 26 November 2005 (EST)

:::I agree. I'm not looking to ''force'' collaboration at any point, but some benefits might arise if some things could be worked out that way. (I actually wanted to see what someone else would do with the [[Order of Mnerr|Order]], otherwise, I wouldn't have phantomed it.) Something that exists at the top level and that encourages everyone to contribute and to exchange messages, perhaps. Right now, I would feel uncomforatble adding something to the '''navigation''' sidebar myself, even if it's okay. That sort of thing probably needs to come from "on high." --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Also, what if someone were to start periodic postings of articles published in [[Quester and Phorrus]] or [[Folktown Records]], for example? Rather than being a static entry, there would, instead, be an ongoing list of what is being published (or submitted for publication) and an opportunity for some intertwining of writing. Things could be linked to the encyclopedia, but it might also provide an opportunity for a different kind of writing. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I hereby proclaim to all of Ghyll proper that I am addicted to this game and the knowledge in the encyclopedia. I would love to continue to contribute to this world as long as creative souls inhabit it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:04, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just realized I never posted a resounding YES in answer to this question. So, [resounding]YES![/resounding] --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:31, 23 November 2005 (EST)

===Missing Gamemaster?===

I have good news and bad news: I'm pregnant. That's the good news. The bad news is that Ghyll, and my "gamemastering" of it will be taking a back seat to that pregnancy. This presents a bit of a problem for me: Round 3 will be about 75% finished by the time the baby arrives. What I don't want to happen is that last 25% to be unintegrated - without fact checking, or Indices modification ([[Encyclopedant Calendar|timeline]], [[WhoIsWho|who's who]], etc., etc.) I'd much rather NOT do a R3 if it's gonna die a horrible death 75% of the way through. I'm looking for suggestions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:From my standpoint, not knowing too much about the inner workings of wiki and how to format pages, I think I would have trouble if I had to add the consequences of my entry (people, places, dates) into [[WhoIsWho]], [[WhereIsWhere]], and the [[Encyclopedant Calendar|Timeline]]. However, I have noticed that you've got some skilled Encyclopedants working under you, Morb. [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], and others might be able to interim admin if you asked them real nice, especially since they'd have plenty of time to get ready before you inevitably leave us. And if not, there are other options, like an accelerated round, or Ghyll taking a sabbatical with you. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:32, 5 December 2005 (EST)

==Between Rounds==

The following was hammered out during R1-->R2. They'd still apply.

===Allow a rest period between rounds===
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.
* Finish up any discussions on this page.
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.

===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===
* Edit ANY entry for clarity and collection.
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.

==Proposed Rule Changes==

===No restrictions on 3 entry citations===

A player should be able to cite three of any entries in one's citations, not necessarily two phantoms and one finished entry as is the case now. We'd still have to abide by the "don't cite yourself" restriction. The ONLY thing this proposed rule changes is the ''type'' of citations you have to make, not the number. You'd still have to write an entry that has three official citations not your own. Whether those citations are three existing entries, two existing entries and one phantom, three phantoms, or what have you, would no longer matter. You'd still have the ability to generate one new phantom a turn, it'd just be by choice, as opposed to forced.

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

===Writing phantoms first is no longer required===

One should be able to write any entry under the particular turn letter, not necessarily filling in all the phantoms before creating new entries. (This partially coincides with the next rule as well, but ultimately strives to make the playing experience more enjoyable: there's no love in being forced to write an entry you've no interest in.) --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]]

Just as long as some phantoms still do get defined. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:27, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:With this rule in place, it becomes player choice, not an enforceable rule. If other players (or you yourself) want to define an existing phantom for the current letter, you can. Alternatively, if you wanted to create a brand new term entry each and every turn, this rule would allow that as well. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::But if everybody always writes new entries, and nobody ever writes phantoms, that's a bad thing. I dunno, I have mixed feelings about this one. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 12:47, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I share your concern but, ultimately, I think it won't be an issue. If worse comes to worse I, being the GM, will fill in phantoms should the need arise. But, honestly, that's not a forced march of any kind: there are a number of phantoms I'm quite interested in defining. From your own standpoint, do you see yourself defining phantoms on occasion? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 13:32, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::Most certainly. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:22, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::::I would suggest establishing a threshold number of phantoms for a particular letter below which one need not be forced to write an undesirable entry. Say, for example, if there are two or fewer phantoms remaining, you can instead choose to write something other than a phantomed entry. This way, everyone is always afforded a choice, while existing phantoms are not completely ignored either. Setting out the phantoms for others to write is a key element of the interconnectedness of the game (at least, as I understand it). The other suggestion I'd offer would be to set an additional requirement (incoporating additional phantoms or entries, perhaps) on any player selected free entries. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:19, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just changed my vote. Phantoms are too important a part of the game. They're the thread that ties it into a web and they make things so much more interesting, when you have to write some article you never otherwise would. Not that my single vote's going to make much of a difference against everyone else. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:23, 23 November 2005 (EST)

:Not to jump on the bandwagon (or [[trundle cart]], as the case may be), but Dfaran has a point, damnit. When I dibbed [[Absolute Erasure]], it was because I wanted to contribute, and I couldn't fathom, under the Rule of X, to create my own entry under ''any'' letter in the alphabet. And when I began researching the facts surrounding the Erasure, I found out that the phantom I chose was wove so tightly into the world of Ghyll that the entry became an absolute joy to write. Perhaps also, a joy to read, as it became my first and only Spotlighted entry. There are still a ''lot'' of undefined phantoms, and a ''lot'' of them are integral to the world of Ghyll as we know it. Things like [[Perky]], [[Dulalian Empire]], [[Umlaut Tea]], and [[Palace of Lost Souls]] are very important parts of Ghyll, and I'm surprised to see that they've been passed by--some of them twice. I guess what I'm trying to say is, go ahead and enact this rule if you wish, but then you'll have me filling in all these phantoms and, well, that could get messy. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 00:49, 26 November 2005 (EST)

One solution I've just thought of is, perhaps before we get started with Round 3, every scholar gets the chance to define any ONE phantom they wish. What do you think? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 21:42, 30 November 2005 (EST)

:While I don't have an objection to this, I don't see what it accomplishes for us. I suppose you could just as easily give everyone one free dib on the current phantom set, so that scholars could stake out a particular item they want to address in the new Round. But it doesn't seem that useful to me to be worth bothering with. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:38, 1 December 2005 (EST)

===No entries solely about people, groups, or places===

Ban creating entries, even of currently phantomed entries, that are either people, groups, or places. We have way too many of those types of entries already, and banning them would force people to be more creative. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

If we don't write about People, Groups, and Places what do you have in mind? --[[User: Nikos of Ant| Nikos of Ant]] 15:19, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Actually, there's an awful lot. This rule only restricts the creation of ''entire'' entries about people - so, no one would be able to define [[Baby Alek]], but they could certainly continue to talk about the Baby Alek courtcase, or transcribe the court proceedings, or talk about the chemical process that cut him up into all those little pieces. You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places ''in the course of your entry on something else'', they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself. Take a look at all the entries for A. Out of 35 entries, only roughly half are ''named'' for a person, place, or group. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:33, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I'd like to phase this in by disallowing new phantoms that are proper nouns, but still allowing existing proper-noun phantoms to be written. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:49, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I concur with [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]. I think existing phantoms should still be allowed to be defined, but limits on the generation of new phantoms can be used to steer the direction of the encyclopedia. Would it be useful to impose some limits on [[Special:Categories|categories]] for Round 3 as a way of accomplishing this? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:29, 22 November 2005 (EST)

:I like this idea except that I don't think there have been all that many new places recently. In fact, I'd like to see the Ghyllian geography expand, myself. I'm all for banning people and groups, though. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:26, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Out of curiosity: what will that solve? Or, "just because"? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:30, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::More geography? I just don't think we're at a point where we don't need new places, that's all. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 22:31, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::I tend to disagree, but that's OK. I think the creation of new places, currently, fractures Ghyll further, making it harder to talk about politics, practices, and history that ''matter'', and actually have a lasting effect to other players and future entries. Creating a new place merely creates a separate pocket that has little to do with the rest of written Ghyll. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::The above rule stating, ''You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places "in the course of your entry on something else", they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself'', is also not disallowing more ''geography'', just ''direct'' cites on places. With this understanding it seems it "could" push many of us to new creativity, but of course, ultimate play enjoyablility and degree of well-written entries is still dependent upon who actually comes to ths site and plays. I would not, however, make it a ban on proper nouns - if that is the case then not even processes can be cited; for example [[Awal Shrinkage|Awal shrinkage]] is NOT a person, place or group, it is a process, but the ''name'' of this particular process '''is''' a ''proper noun''! --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 10:23, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::Actually it isn't. Awal shrinkage is named after Awal, and "Awal" is indeed a proper noun, but "Awal shrinkage" is a common (compound) noun. There is no reason why common nouns can't have proper nouns embedded in them: consider "Bush" vs. "the Bush administration". Of course, "Awal Shrinkage", the name of Madam Calvian's poodle (say), would be once again a proper noun. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:06, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)

So what's the status of this new rule? Apparently, since Morbus has YEA'd it, we will be integrating it in some form, but will we be able to define current proper noun phantoms first, or are we completely restricted from proper nouns altogether? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:16, 5 December 2005 (EST)

:The rule will only apply to newly created phantoms - those that have been created in previous rounds are still in play, and thus, still definable as normal. I'll figure out someway to word this into the revised ruling when it's enacted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 20:07, 5 December 2005 (EST)

===Dib a new entry when you've finished your own===

I would suggest revising the rules to allow a player to place a dib immediately once a current entry is completed. This would encourage people to complete entries early in order to earn a dib. Perhaps dibs could also be extended beyond the next letter in sequence, so if someone wanted to write an entry for a Q phantom and had some good ideas for it, they could stake their claim early on. Alternatively, special dibs could be awarded either by acclaim by other encyclopedants or simply based on having an article chosen as a spotlight. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:50, 21 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I don't like this idea. Some people write articles later rather than sooner because of busy schedules. Other sorts of special dibbing privilages sound unfair and a probable cause of confusion and unhappiness. Besides, part of the point of the game is having to write articles that you normally wouldn't and then coming up with something totally unexpected and interesting. At least, I feel that way. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:59, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:While it would be nice, as [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] said, to reward such creativity that merits a Spotlight entry, seeing my entry for [[Absolute Erasure]] mentioned on the main page made me proud enough that I don't need a special dib. Plus, just today did my internet finally get reconnected after I had gone nearly two weeks without the wonderful world of Ghyll, so one must take that into account. Prolificness does not equal profoundness. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:01, 22 November 2005 (EST)

===Turn order progresses from Z to A===

Okay, this is a pretty big change to suggest and probably Morbus will be no-ing it as soon as he sees it, but what if for round three we started at turn Z and went back to turn A? The reason being, I've noticed the last couple of turns started with lots of players at the beginning of the round and then slowly lost them here and there until by turn Z we were only producing a few articles a turn. If we reverse the order, then it stands to reason there will be a lot more Z articles and only a few more A articles, balancing things out. Then again, the english language supports words that begin with letters at the beginning of the alphabet much more than it does all those Xs and Ws and Zs at the end, and there aren't as many (or, as a matter of fact, any at all) Z phantoms right now. So, any thoughts? --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 20:52, 30 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]]
 NAY: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I've also heard of Lexicons where everyone started at a different place (like the first letter of the player's last name) and then everyone progresses from their own start point. Here, everyone stays together in a cohort, which is fine. But getting that startup bulge (I've noticed it as well) in a different part of the alphabet would be a good thing. Starting at Z and going backward might put too much of a challenge (no Z, Y, X or V phantoms currently) at the beginning and thereby scare people off. How about starting somewhere in the middle of the alphabet? Or, even better, start with whatever letter has the most phantoms. (It looks like that would be P, which has 16 phantoms.) I'd be happy with either approach. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:28, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:Starting with P might be a good idea, actually. I'm for it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

::That sounds too complicated for me. If we're going to do this, we should keep it in SOME form of logical order that everyone knows ahead of time.--[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 19:52, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:::I know that I haven't contributed to Ghyll since back in F or so.. but that is exactly Snood's point. It is true that the Ghyllian dictionary is a little "bottom heavy". For what it's worth, I like Snood's idea. --[[User:Larj Zyquon|Larj Zyquon]] 11:14, 6 December 2005 (EST)

::::I didn't come up with the idea, [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran]] did. I'm just a hanger-on. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 12:56, 6 December 2005 (EST)

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-06T17:56:22Z

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This page is for discussing Round 3 of Ghyll, currently scheduled to begin January 2006.

==Should there be a Round 3?==

Are you interested? Would you play? What (rules, date, style, etc.) should change? What makes you unhappy with the current state of play? I've had every intent to keep the Ghyll Lexicon going as long as there are players (and perhaps longer) - in the absence of them, I'd probably move on to other (slower, less regular) products such as a Ghyll game deadtree book ("Poor Ghyllians Almanac" is the most popular choice at the moment, though that, honestly, is years away). Some folks have been debating privately whether to stop playing, and their dissatisfaction partly comes from the quality of phantoms being produced (and thus, needing to be written). What sort of phantoms and entries do you prefer to write? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:08, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:What about introducing some kind of collaboration to the game? Sometimes, it would be useful to get more than one viewpoint brought in beforehand. For example, if you had actually "interviewed" me about the [[Order of Mnerr]], to make it a bit more collaborative. There is a limit past which I don't want to press, because I'm afraid of stepping on someone else's toes. I don't know if that's just me, or if other people similarly are hesitant to take on certain things on their own. I'd also like to see a collegial discussion forum that could allow scholars to pose questions to their colleagues. There's a bit of it in some of the appended scholarly comments, but a central forum might develop some life if some interaction between scholars became more a part of the system. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 17:22, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Hmm. There's nothing, ultimately, stopping this sort of thing from happening *right now*. I think the logistics of it (integration as opposed to collegial discussion), however (specifically, getting other players to respond in a timely, and quality, manner) are a bit too complicated to make it "official". As I'm sure you can see from the RecentChanges, some players do everything on Friday, some jot notes early, some come outta nowhere, leave their final and only edit, and then disappear for months. As for collegial discussion, there was a bit of that out-of-turn, per se, at [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Are you proposing, perhaps, some sort of Inn/Tavern-ish meeting? Perhaps a Scholars-only Bulletin Board? (Bulletin boards do exist publically and in-game - see [[Karcist League]], for example, so it wouldn't be an oddity or breakage...) --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 17:52, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I would have liked to have been around for the [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]]. Some little bulletin board kind of thing where the scholars can unite in character for some banter (friendly or not) would be quite well received, at least by me. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 01:03, 26 November 2005 (EST)

:::I agree. I'm not looking to ''force'' collaboration at any point, but some benefits might arise if some things could be worked out that way. (I actually wanted to see what someone else would do with the [[Order of Mnerr|Order]], otherwise, I wouldn't have phantomed it.) Something that exists at the top level and that encourages everyone to contribute and to exchange messages, perhaps. Right now, I would feel uncomforatble adding something to the '''navigation''' sidebar myself, even if it's okay. That sort of thing probably needs to come from "on high." --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Also, what if someone were to start periodic postings of articles published in [[Quester and Phorrus]] or [[Folktown Records]], for example? Rather than being a static entry, there would, instead, be an ongoing list of what is being published (or submitted for publication) and an opportunity for some intertwining of writing. Things could be linked to the encyclopedia, but it might also provide an opportunity for a different kind of writing. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 12:03, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I hereby proclaim to all of Ghyll proper that I am addicted to this game and the knowledge in the encyclopedia. I would love to continue to contribute to this world as long as creative souls inhabit it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:04, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just realized I never posted a resounding YES in answer to this question. So, [resounding]YES![/resounding] --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:31, 23 November 2005 (EST)

===Missing Gamemaster?===

I have good news and bad news: I'm pregnant. That's the good news. The bad news is that Ghyll, and my "gamemastering" of it will be taking a back seat to that pregnancy. This presents a bit of a problem for me: Round 3 will be about 75% finished by the time the baby arrives. What I don't want to happen is that last 25% to be unintegrated - without fact checking, or Indices modification ([[Encyclopedant Calendar|timeline]], [[WhoIsWho|who's who]], etc., etc.) I'd much rather NOT do a R3 if it's gonna die a horrible death 75% of the way through. I'm looking for suggestions. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 18:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:From my standpoint, not knowing too much about the inner workings of wiki and how to format pages, I think I would have trouble if I had to add the consequences of my entry (people, places, dates) into [[WhoIsWho]], [[WhereIsWhere]], and the [[Encyclopedant Calendar|Timeline]]. However, I have noticed that you've got some skilled Encyclopedants working under you, Morb. [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], and others might be able to interim admin if you asked them real nice, especially since they'd have plenty of time to get ready before you inevitably leave us. And if not, there are other options, like an accelerated round, or Ghyll taking a sabbatical with you. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:32, 5 December 2005 (EST)

==Between Rounds==

The following was hammered out during R1-->R2. They'd still apply.

===Allow a rest period between rounds===
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.
* Finish up any discussions on this page.
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.

===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===
* Edit ANY entry for clarity and collection.
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.

==Proposed Rule Changes==

===No restrictions on 3 entry citations===

A player should be able to cite three of any entries in one's citations, not necessarily two phantoms and one finished entry as is the case now. We'd still have to abide by the "don't cite yourself" restriction. The ONLY thing this proposed rule changes is the ''type'' of citations you have to make, not the number. You'd still have to write an entry that has three official citations not your own. Whether those citations are three existing entries, two existing entries and one phantom, three phantoms, or what have you, would no longer matter. You'd still have the ability to generate one new phantom a turn, it'd just be by choice, as opposed to forced.

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

===Writing phantoms first is no longer required===

One should be able to write any entry under the particular turn letter, not necessarily filling in all the phantoms before creating new entries. (This partially coincides with the next rule as well, but ultimately strives to make the playing experience more enjoyable: there's no love in being forced to write an entry you've no interest in.) --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]]

Just as long as some phantoms still do get defined. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:27, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:With this rule in place, it becomes player choice, not an enforceable rule. If other players (or you yourself) want to define an existing phantom for the current letter, you can. Alternatively, if you wanted to create a brand new term entry each and every turn, this rule would allow that as well. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::But if everybody always writes new entries, and nobody ever writes phantoms, that's a bad thing. I dunno, I have mixed feelings about this one. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 12:47, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I share your concern but, ultimately, I think it won't be an issue. If worse comes to worse I, being the GM, will fill in phantoms should the need arise. But, honestly, that's not a forced march of any kind: there are a number of phantoms I'm quite interested in defining. From your own standpoint, do you see yourself defining phantoms on occasion? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 13:32, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::Most certainly. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:22, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::::I would suggest establishing a threshold number of phantoms for a particular letter below which one need not be forced to write an undesirable entry. Say, for example, if there are two or fewer phantoms remaining, you can instead choose to write something other than a phantomed entry. This way, everyone is always afforded a choice, while existing phantoms are not completely ignored either. Setting out the phantoms for others to write is a key element of the interconnectedness of the game (at least, as I understand it). The other suggestion I'd offer would be to set an additional requirement (incoporating additional phantoms or entries, perhaps) on any player selected free entries. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:19, 22 November 2005 (EST)

I just changed my vote. Phantoms are too important a part of the game. They're the thread that ties it into a web and they make things so much more interesting, when you have to write some article you never otherwise would. Not that my single vote's going to make much of a difference against everyone else. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 00:23, 23 November 2005 (EST)

:Not to jump on the bandwagon (or [[trundle cart]], as the case may be), but Dfaran has a point, damnit. When I dibbed [[Absolute Erasure]], it was because I wanted to contribute, and I couldn't fathom, under the Rule of X, to create my own entry under ''any'' letter in the alphabet. And when I began researching the facts surrounding the Erasure, I found out that the phantom I chose was wove so tightly into the world of Ghyll that the entry became an absolute joy to write. Perhaps also, a joy to read, as it became my first and only Spotlighted entry. There are still a ''lot'' of undefined phantoms, and a ''lot'' of them are integral to the world of Ghyll as we know it. Things like [[Perky]], [[Dulalian Empire]], [[Umlaut Tea]], and [[Palace of Lost Souls]] are very important parts of Ghyll, and I'm surprised to see that they've been passed by--some of them twice. I guess what I'm trying to say is, go ahead and enact this rule if you wish, but then you'll have me filling in all these phantoms and, well, that could get messy. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 00:49, 26 November 2005 (EST)

One solution I've just thought of is, perhaps before we get started with Round 3, every scholar gets the chance to define any ONE phantom they wish. What do you think? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 21:42, 30 November 2005 (EST)

:While I don't have an objection to this, I don't see what it accomplishes for us. I suppose you could just as easily give everyone one free dib on the current phantom set, so that scholars could stake out a particular item they want to address in the new Round. But it doesn't seem that useful to me to be worth bothering with. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:38, 1 December 2005 (EST)

===No entries solely about people, groups, or places===

Ban creating entries, even of currently phantomed entries, that are either people, groups, or places. We have way too many of those types of entries already, and banning them would force people to be more creative. --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 12:54, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

YEA: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]
 NAY:

If we don't write about People, Groups, and Places what do you have in mind? --[[User: Nikos of Ant| Nikos of Ant]] 15:19, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:Actually, there's an awful lot. This rule only restricts the creation of ''entire'' entries about people - so, no one would be able to define [[Baby Alek]], but they could certainly continue to talk about the Baby Alek courtcase, or transcribe the court proceedings, or talk about the chemical process that cut him up into all those little pieces. You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places ''in the course of your entry on something else'', they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself. Take a look at all the entries for A. Out of 35 entries, only roughly half are ''named'' for a person, place, or group. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:33, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::I'd like to phase this in by disallowing new phantoms that are proper nouns, but still allowing existing proper-noun phantoms to be written. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:49, 16 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::I concur with [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]. I think existing phantoms should still be allowed to be defined, but limits on the generation of new phantoms can be used to steer the direction of the encyclopedia. Would it be useful to impose some limits on [[Special:Categories|categories]] for Round 3 as a way of accomplishing this? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 13:29, 22 November 2005 (EST)

:I like this idea except that I don't think there have been all that many new places recently. In fact, I'd like to see the Ghyllian geography expand, myself. I'm all for banning people and groups, though. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:26, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::Out of curiosity: what will that solve? Or, "just because"? --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:30, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::More geography? I just don't think we're at a point where we don't need new places, that's all. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 22:31, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::::I tend to disagree, but that's OK. I think the creation of new places, currently, fractures Ghyll further, making it harder to talk about politics, practices, and history that ''matter'', and actually have a lasting effect to other players and future entries. Creating a new place merely creates a separate pocket that has little to do with the rest of written Ghyll. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 10:59, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

::The above rule stating, ''You'd still be able to talk about people, groups, and places "in the course of your entry on something else", they just wouldn't be the crux of the entry itself'', is also not disallowing more ''geography'', just ''direct'' cites on places. With this understanding it seems it "could" push many of us to new creativity, but of course, ultimate play enjoyablility and degree of well-written entries is still dependent upon who actually comes to ths site and plays. I would not, however, make it a ban on proper nouns - if that is the case then not even processes can be cited; for example [[Awal Shrinkage|Awal shrinkage]] is NOT a person, place or group, it is a process, but the ''name'' of this particular process '''is''' a ''proper noun''! --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 10:23, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)

:::Actually it isn't. Awal shrinkage is named after Awal, and "Awal" is indeed a proper noun, but "Awal shrinkage" is a common (compound) noun. There is no reason why common nouns can't have proper nouns embedded in them: consider "Bush" vs. "the Bush administration". Of course, "Awal Shrinkage", the name of Madam Calvian's poodle (say), would be once again a proper noun. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 15:06, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)

So what's the status of this new rule? Apparently, since Morbus has YEA'd it, we will be integrating it in some form, but will we be able to define current proper noun phantoms first, or are we completely restricted from proper nouns altogether? --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 18:16, 5 December 2005 (EST)

:The rule will only apply to newly created phantoms - those that have been created in previous rounds are still in play, and thus, still definable as normal. I'll figure out someway to word this into the revised ruling when it's enacted. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 20:07, 5 December 2005 (EST)

===Dib a new entry when you've finished your own===

I would suggest revising the rules to allow a player to place a dib immediately once a current entry is completed. This would encourage people to complete entries early in order to earn a dib. Perhaps dibs could also be extended beyond the next letter in sequence, so if someone wanted to write an entry for a Q phantom and had some good ideas for it, they could stake their claim early on. Alternatively, special dibs could be awarded either by acclaim by other encyclopedants or simply based on having an article chosen as a spotlight. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 16:50, 21 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]]
 NAY: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]], [[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I don't like this idea. Some people write articles later rather than sooner because of busy schedules. Other sorts of special dibbing privilages sound unfair and a probable cause of confusion and unhappiness. Besides, part of the point of the game is having to write articles that you normally wouldn't and then coming up with something totally unexpected and interesting. At least, I feel that way. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 18:59, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:While it would be nice, as [[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] said, to reward such creativity that merits a Spotlight entry, seeing my entry for [[Absolute Erasure]] mentioned on the main page made me proud enough that I don't need a special dib. Plus, just today did my internet finally get reconnected after I had gone nearly two weeks without the wonderful world of Ghyll, so one must take that into account. Prolificness does not equal profoundness. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:01, 22 November 2005 (EST)

===Turn order progresses from Z to A===

Okay, this is a pretty big change to suggest and probably Morbus will be no-ing it as soon as he sees it, but what if for round three we started at turn Z and went back to turn A? The reason being, I've noticed the last couple of turns started with lots of players at the beginning of the round and then slowly lost them here and there until by turn Z we were only producing a few articles a turn. If we reverse the order, then it stands to reason there will be a lot more Z articles and only a few more A articles, balancing things out. Then again, the english language supports words that begin with letters at the beginning of the alphabet much more than it does all those Xs and Ws and Zs at the end, and there aren't as many (or, as a matter of fact, any at all) Z phantoms right now. So, any thoughts? --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 20:52, 30 November 2005 (EST)

YEA: [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]]
 NAY: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]

I've also heard of Lexicons where everyone started at a different place (like the first letter of the player's last name) and then everyone progresses from their own start point. Here, everyone stays together in a cohort, which is fine. But getting that startup bulge (I've noticed it as well) in a different part of the alphabet would be a good thing. Starting at Z and going backward might put too much of a challenge (no Z, Y, X or V phantoms currently) at the beginning and thereby scare people off. How about starting somewhere in the middle of the alphabet? Or, even better, start with whatever letter has the most phantoms. (It looks like that would be P, which has 16 phantoms.) I'd be happy with either approach. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 11:28, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:Starting with P might be a good idea, actually. I'm for it. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 15:50, 1 December 2005 (EST)

::That sounds too complicated for me. If we're going to do this, we should keep it in SOME form of logical order that everyone knows ahead of time.--[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 19:52, 1 December 2005 (EST)

:::I know that I haven't contributed to Ghyll since back in F or so.. but that is exactly Snood's point. It is true that the Ghyllian dictionary is a little "bottom heavy". For what it's worth, I like Snood's idea. --[[User:Larj Zyquon|Larj Zyquon]] 11:14, 6 December 2005 (EST)

::::I didn't come up with the idea, [[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran]] did. I'm just a hanger-on. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 12:56, 6 December 2005 (EST)

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-05T23:32:33Z

Snood Trunion: /* Missing Gamemaster? */

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-05T23:16:07Z

Snood Trunion: /* No entries solely about people, groups, or places */

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-03T18:43:22Z

Snood Trunion: /* Writing phantoms first is no longer required */ Dibbed, not phantomed. Duh.

Ghyll:Zavinian House

2005-12-01T20:56:51Z

Snood Trunion:

The '''Zavinian House''' is, according to popular lore, the house that mysteriously exploded in -2004 [[EC]], killing no one but destroying itself and the surrounding buildings. Indeed, there is even a shrine in memoriam of the incident, at which hundreds of the [[lay public]] regularly rest their mandibles in solemn salute. But not every story about the Zavinian House tells the whole truth as it was meant to be heard.

The house was actually built in the year -2047 [[EC]] by two young newlywed farmers, Ambuline and Zechariah Zavini, who had had enough of the city life and wanted to settle down on the back roads and harvest the land. So that's just what they did: they built a small house near the [[Andelphracian River Valley]] and began farming the nearby land. Pretty soon, having found success selling fruits and vegetables to passing travellers, they began to expand their holdings by incorporating a barn, a greenhouse, a restaurant, and a small theme park where patrons could test their carapaces against numerous challenges such as simulated weapon duels and [[Knackerbats|knackerbat]] attacks. The Zavinian House quickly became a tourist attraction, with its influence reaching as far as the outermost edges of Ghyll proper, even drawing in tourists from other [[orthogonalities]], as the house was quite near to a [[Xurient]]al turning point, unbeknownst at the time to the Zavinis.

The Zavini family's success was short lived, however. As early as the year -2020 [[EC]], raids on the Zavini land began stripping the property of its value. These raids were thought to have been as innocent as a school of [[Phaelros|Phaelrosen]] charting a new trail through what was once their land alone. Recent studies, however, suggest something more insidious, such as a deliberate attack by early ancestors of the [[Trunions|Trunion]] lineage, who are thought to have a deep and extreme dislike of the Zavinis, along with an intimate knowledge of how to disguise their getaway paths as Phaelrosen trails.

In any case, by the year of -2009 [[EC]] people stopped coming to the Zavinian House, on account of the smell of [[Phaelros|Phaelrosen]] dung-balls. Thusly, the Zavini family, which by now encompassed not only Ambuline and Zechariah, but also their fourteen children and numerous pets, set off on a great journey to the south of Ghyll, where they would colonize and civilize an area they called, quite justly, Zavini. Historically speaking, there is no recollection of a town called Zavini, but according to popular lore, the town flourished for four years until -2005 [[EC]], when the entire family lineage was killed by the Iganefta family. Of course, we all know how fierce a group of Ghyllians can be in defense of their version of history. In truth, or at least in books, the Zavini lineage was killed by assailants unknown, and their land eventually, many centuries later, became part of the [[Iganefta|Iganeftan Settlement]].

Oh yeah, and their now-abandoned house exploded the very next year. No one is sure why.

'''Citations''': [[Andelphracian River Valley]], [[Phaelros]], [[Trunions]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 17:29, 18 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:Locations]]

Ghyll:WhoIsWho

2005-12-01T20:53:41Z

Snood Trunion: Ambuline Zavini is a woman.

Listing in alphabetical order, not by surname, since some entries ([[Quezlar 6]]) don't have a known surname, and Ghyll sorting procedures for names--and even baby name giving procedures--are currently unknown. Note that the short descriptions below are NOT indicative of "all we know"... we just didn't duplicate data available elsewhere in the Encyclopedia. Consider using the search engine to find more information about a particular name.

* '''#47 (or 4274049)''' - Skullcap of this [[Nitenmangrey]] god forms the [[Sarfelogian Mountains]].
* '''Adamantine Areola Duphine''' - Ran for Mayor of [[Folktown]]; committed suicide.
* '''Adelaide Clementine Chimmlefut''' - Mother of Gabson Foye.
* '''Agwa Reeum''' - Received translated copy of [[Grimporke Grimoire]]; translated it to Untch.
* '''[[Alarius]]''' - A renowned freethinker, philosopher and artist; son of [[Arariax]].
* '''Alastair Bledgewater''' - Format compatriot of Johnny Lightning's father.
* '''Alek Hambeck-Harblock''' - [[Baby Alek]]; his fate was decided by the [[Folktown]] court system.
* '''Aleksandra Mary Blackgold''' - Daughter of Mary Elizabeth Carsokian.
* '''Alessa Mboya''' - Sister of Windsor Creame and mother of [[Daniel Mboya]].
* '''[[Algothequinas]]''' - Poet and recorder of [[Cornover Reflex Syndrome]].
* '''Alia Amber''' - Youngest sister of [[Oregano Amber]].
* '''Alice Bob Charlie David Edward Smallwood''' - [[Iain Underholm Smallwood]]'s mother; baroness.
* '''Allison Clarinda Husslespear''' - Mother of [[Captain Riquiras]].
* '''Alpaca One''' - The most notorious [[lollipop]] man of alllLLlLll time.
* '''Altifur Witherspoon''' - The "hobosopher of the East"; was apparently eaten by his mate.
* '''Ambuline Zavini''' - She and her husband Zechariah built the [[Zavinian House]].
* '''[[Aminfarances]]''' - Founder/Foundress of the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy]].
* '''Amy Sue Bardway''' - Like's tickling Novice Frettac's [[grenfing|grenfs]].
* '''Andelphracia''' - (flourised -300 EC) Mayoress of Fylesgate, inventor of [[Andelphracian Lights]].
* '''[[Antony C. Sutton]]''' - Was leaked a member list of the [[Monotapute House]].
* '''[[Arariax]]''' - (born c. -280 EC) One of Ghyll's most influential poets.
* '''[[Arbugghyll]]''' - Unknown owner of [[Arbugghyll]] Manor circa -700 EC in [[Folktown]].
* '''Archimetres''' - Co-owner of The Underfunded Eastside Publishing House for Small and Insignificant Mammals.
* '''Archovy Infatale''' - Husband of [[Doc Rockett]]; married after Doc's divorce.
* '''Aria Humm''' - Elder sister of [[Oregano Amber]].
* '''Aristea Sylvia Panderlock''' - Daughter of Sylvia Beth Panderlock and [[Frandos Wakami]].
* '''Arthir Jhostings''' - Founder of [[cataclysmatology]] in -305 EC.
* '''Artiax''' - A much less gifted poet often confused with [[Arariax]].
* '''Awal''' - The first to apply [[Jesper's constant]] to the study of spelgof emulsions.
* '''[[Azer Wallabin]]''' - A great musician; jumped to his death from the walls of Bute.
* '''B. T. Gidgewell''' - Late Supreme Commandant of the [[Tarkherk Corps]].
* '''Baltizar''' - A philosopher; was studied by [[Pricludious]].
* '''Barb Sipin''' - Mother of [[Wapsipinicon of Aghquabamticook]].
* '''[[Baron Claude Lloyd Albert Smallwood]]''' - Wine producer, ex-husband of [[Bavarian Creame]].
* '''[[Baron James Horkmanifester]]''' - Of "Horkmanifester's investment rules"; founded [[TransAvian]].
* '''Bartholemew Sinch''' - Second husband of [[Bavarian Creame]]; died shortly after Siam Sinch was born.
* '''[[User:Bartmoss|Bartmoss]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar, ex-member of the [[Bureau of Forgotten Knowledge]].
* '''Bat-Boy''' - Of the Cirq l' Tytns travelling circus; an acrobat par excellence.
* '''Baugh (family)''' - Saw themselves as a moral voice against [[Lord Glosfordshier]].
* '''[[Bavarian Creame]]''' - Wife of Windsor Creame, older sister of [[Hack And The Jacks|Jack Juffers]] and [[Madam Calvian]].
* '''Bela Wallinger''' - Grand nephew to Bouk Amber.
* '''Bellis Cruminwithe''' - Spokesman of the Clubberspear House.
* '''Belsperg''' - Creator of a [[luminous manuscript|lumogram]] of the vista of the [[Kites d'Jeaux]].
* '''[[Berell]]''' - Once a [[Brothers of the Lantern|Brother]], now a revered patron and belief system founder.
* '''[[Bethany Mboya]]''' - “We are all enthrall [sic] to the beauty of Bethany Mboya”.
* '''Bikari Smallwood''' - Alias of an informant regarding the [[Darkened Lantern]].
* '''Billubert Shwartanger''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Brandi Soo Calvian''' - Child of Kardiff Calvian and [[Madam Calvian]].
* '''Brian David Sinningprick''' - Private advocate working in [[Iganefta-on-the-Sea]].
* '''[[Blivingdel]]''' - An interpreter of Ternary Script.
* '''Blowtie and the Hoofish''' - Jazz ensemble.
* '''Bob Phanqué''' - Lead cartographer and inventor of fecksadecimal.
* '''[[Bobby Shwarmph|Bobby "Robert" Shwarmph]]''' - Runs the [[Aliens Everywhere]] mag, lives near [[Alezan]].
* '''[[Boing]]''' - A crime-solving [[horse]] with springs on his hooves; [[luminous manuscript|lumic]] hero.
* '''Bolma Knengsken-Drasselmeyer''' - Her [[Hive-Lord]] has gone missing, which inspired [[EUPHORIA]].
* '''Bordingbras''' - ''Mere bagatelle in the hands of a Fate'' (cf. [[Battle of Barnum Stones]], [[Bordingbras his hatt!]]).
* '''Borges W. Gush''' - Anti-librarian in the court of [[King Harandraff the Great]].
* '''Bouk Amber''' - Father of [[Oregano Amber]].
* '''Brandi''' - [[Odgar IV]] sung about her; administrator of the [[Folktown]] Arts Council.
* '''Brandi Silverstein''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Brat Wapsipin''' - Son of Rok, brother of [[Wapsipinicon of Aghquabamticook]].
* '''Brin Leedis''' - Publisher of Pink Aelfant Lumix and "Amazing Mathist".
* '''[[Briorus Jan-Vanderschusen]]''' - Original conceiver of the betrothal march, born circa -300 EC.
* '''Brolo Yerit''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Brother Oarb''' - Wrote a Big Book of Bird Migrations in the [[Dreamy period]].
* '''[[Budgerigar Master]]''' - A mysterious historical figure from as far back as -2000 EC.
* '''Bunny Hutch''' - Famed performance artist.
* '''Burbleson''' - Wrote a multi-volume set about [[Folktown]]'s court documents.
* '''Burgengute''' - A book copier for the Encyclopedants.
* '''Burnflyman''' - A character in the [[Karcist League]] [[Luminous manuscript|lumics]].
* '''Bursine the 14th''' - Creator of the [[Bursine Calendar]], [[Hive-Lord]] of the [[Nitenmangrey]].
* '''[[Busco]]''' - According to Avazian legend, wielded the [[Horreld blade]], immune to the [[Justice Device]].
* '''[[Bysted Timperton]]''' - Vice Chairman of the [[Council for Quezlarian Research]].
* '''[[Captain Riquiras]]''' - Legendary buccaneer and smuggler. Sailor of [[Besq Boats]].
* '''Carl Kapek''' - Creator of the first [[EctoMechanauts|EctoMechanaut]], named him Jacques.
* '''Carsok''' - Defiled Earth Mother, of [[Vulcrue]].
* '''Candi Rapper''' - Wrote a best selling novel My Little Oblong Fantasy, which mentions [[Gyll Hill]].
* '''Canonical Goo''' - Advertises about [[Gyll Hill]] in the [[Folktown Records]].
* '''Casostates''' - Was to judge a contest of smilching prowess at the [[Battle of Barnum Stones|Barnum Stones]].
* '''[[Charles Clarke Grimdale]]''' - Kmuppens' colleague and grandfather of Russell Grimdale.
* '''Charis Laronge''' - Wrote the Book of the Abyss during the [[Dreamy period]].
* '''Chub (family)''' - Saw themselves as a moral voice against [[Lord Glosfordshier]].
* '''[[User:Clsn|clsn]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Cornelious Junior Crunch''' - Appointed third Marshall of the [[Folktown]] court in -565 EC.
* '''Corvin Axehand''' - Moved the [[Battle of Barnum Stones|Barnum Stones]] to [[Stindersgrough]] in -158 EC.
* '''[[Creator]]''' - Deity. Believed to have wiped Ghyll from its finger.
* '''[[Croam Olpo]]''' - Established trade with the [[Xurient]] back in -430 [[EC]].
* '''[[User:Crschmidt|Christopher Schmidt]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''The Cwazy Cats Do Hollywood''' - Classic performer of [[quiver'n'bend]] music.
* '''Daffe Lok''' - Fictional name of a supposedly [[zilch]]ed detractor of [[Lord Glosfordshier]].
* '''Daffid Grommie''' - Founder of the [[Grommies|Grommie]] family fortune.
* '''Daisy''' - [[Odgar IV]] sung about her; administrator of the [[Folktown]] Arts Council.
* '''[[Daniel Mboya]]''' - Nephew of Windsor Creame; died recently in mysterious circumstances.
* '''Dardâ´îl''' - A servant of the [[Creator]] per the [[Nitenmangrey]] religion.
* '''Dash Humbugg''' - Of [[Umbo Moor]]; considered the most prolific writer of [[Ungerry-Tubers]].
* '''Dashpine''' - Husband and biographer of [[Eixis Anos]].
* '''[[Daydream Believer]]''' - A ''the'' from [[Aliens Everywhere]]! and a type of employment.
* '''[[User:Darus Ixa|Darus Ixa]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar, ex-member of the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy]].
* '''Dead Crabbits''' - A tween-gang that was known around [[Iganefta]] in the -270s and -260s.
* '''Dentyl Cane''' - Alias of an informant regarding the [[Darkened Lantern]].
* '''Detective Bernhard Lenhork''' - Investigated the events surrounding the [[Darkened Lantern]].
* '''Dex from Hillbottom''' - Appointed second Marshall of the [[Folktown]] court in -579 EC.
* '''Dirk Blood-Skull-Saint-Monsterface''' - Director of the [[Morphomancy|Dark Conventicle of Morphomancy]]; met with [[Odgar IV]].
* '''Dobrovius''' - A mathematical luminary; [[Pricludious]] studied their work.
* '''[[Doc Rockett]]''' - Wrote ''Invariant Transforms, with Historio-Physical Applications''.
* '''Doctor Mary Jane Shrigure''' - Discovered the [[Shrigure Gradient]] while investigating mountain cartography.
* '''[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar and self-styled "doctor" of occult studies.
* '''Dogui Olpo''' - Grandson of [[Croam Olpo]], brought [[hungfold]] to Ghyll.
* '''[[User:Dok|Dok]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Donna Coral One''' - A [[lollipop]] tycoon who was twice as bloodthirsty as Alpaca One.
* '''Dr. B. J. Spook''' - Famous developmental psychoalchemist and expert on [[toilet training]].
* '''Dr. Buddy-Mortimer Antwal''' - Of [[Bute University]]; confirmed that [[vornalts]] were ourge pods.
* '''[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''[[User:DrBacchus|DrBacchus]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Dullford''' - A [[pachyderm]] with the unpleasant honor of being the first [[recollectiball]] test.
* '''D. R. Orerorer''' - PostAncientist whose rediscovered art sparked [[NeoPostAncientism]].
* '''[[Wapsipinicon of Aghquabamticook|Earl Wapsipinicon]]''' - Second Lord-Mayor of [[Iganefta]].
* '''"Easy" Lizzard''' - An associate and confidante of [[Bobby Shwarmph]].
* '''Ed Tickal''' - Clerk to the Librarian Third-Staff of [[Folktown]] University.
* '''Eddie Pobertop''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Edlunch''' - Was the root cause of the [[Po Mountain]] landslide.
* '''[[Edvard von Craghelm]]''' - (died -20 EC) Famous [[Anaximancer]].
* '''[[Eixis Anos]]''' - (b. -464 EC d. -388 EC) Military leader and fencer.
* '''Elki Hue Vallinger''' - Mother of [[Oregano Amber]].
* '''Elmo "Phorrus" Quester''' - One of the founders of ''[[Quester and Phorrus]]''.
* '''[[User:Tehwalrus|Edward Shwarmph]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar, quasi-science lover.
* '''[[User:Pixel|Eric Vitiello]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar, ex-member of the [[Bureau of Forgotten Knowledge]], and farmer in Dandarth.
* '''[[Eriq Tali]]''' - aka Eric Tally, leader of the [[Great Awakening]].
* '''[[Exis of Whunn]]''' - Led the [[Army of Whunn]] against [[Bute University]].
* '''[[User:Fausto Sorensen|Fausto Sorensen]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar, correspondent for the ''[[Iganefta Recorder]]''.
* '''Felix Ximberly''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Feliz Zimberly''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Fermous Ibb''' - Father of [[Morphous Ibb]], discovered [[Deathood]] mask.
* '''Ferrestung Longraze''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''[[Fijjit Mejora]]''' - A [[pachyderm]] in the courier business. Retired in -79 EC.
* '''[[User:Finna Sunderhorn|Finna Sunderhorn]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Firebird Jazz Ensemble''' - A group of jazz music performers.
* '''[[User:Arnia|Fingest Arnia]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar, [[Amphitheatre aristocracy]] member.
* '''Frank "Quester" Phorrus''' - One of the founders of ''[[Quester and Phorrus]]''.
* '''Frank Sicksdagrees''' - Suspected of being the imposter [[Not Peershakes]].
* '''Franklyn''' - One of those known as the Three Wise [[Rejah]]s.
* '''Fondal''' - Helped prove that [[Gyll Hill]] was etymologically unrelated to "Ghyll".
* '''[[Frandos Wakami]]''' - Overseer, for 25 years, of the [[DermPachyges]] courier service.
* '''Freddd Threibees''' - Music historian, broke arm in -55 [[EC]] trying to play a [[Rattallan]] composition.
* '''[[Fuldermox]]''' - First proponent of the [[Intellectuals' Conspiracy]].
* '''Full Pinky Jazz Group''' - A group of jazz music performers.
* '''Gabson Foye''' - Husband of Siam Sinch and exposer of [[Bethany Mboya]].
* '''[[Gadsringer Clubberspear]]''' - First president of [[DasMineGold]].
* '''Garth Haversham''' - Managing Editor of the [[Folktown Records]] on -7/9/15 EC.
* '''Gassalasca Jape''' - Ghyll scholar, believes [[Arariax]] was both assassin and assassined.
* '''[[Ged Nokaway]]''' - Popular lyricist who urged [[Zot, The|Zotters]] to go ever faster.
* '''[[General Lude'crus]]''' - Once-popular militarist of Ghyll, now a golemic mess.
* '''Geoffrey Prepuce''' - Despised Mayor of [[Iganefta]]. Burned in -99/12/21 by the townsfolk. Husband of [[Grommies|Izzimae Grommie]].
* '''[[Geoge Gjiosin]]''' - Actually discovered [[Jesper's constant]] in his [[Awal shrinkage]] research.
* '''Ghates''' - A mathematical luminary; [[Pricludious]] studied their work.
* '''Ghyllian''' - Uninventive name of a young boy; died in -104 EC (cf. [[Irictus Ross]]).
* '''Gibbous Saunders''' - (born -18 EC) Wrote to the [[Folktown Records]], published in edition 312.
* '''[[Gimlet]]''' - Main character and young prince of the play ''[[Gimlet]]''.
* '''[[User:Ginestre|Ginestre]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''[[Godfroi Hasawithe]]''' - Current owner of the [[Charterhouse Collection]].
* '''Gonmolfier''' - Tried to measure the [[Kites d'Jeaux]]; lost three men in the attempt.
* '''Got Quezlar''' - Returned [[Quezlar's Quaff, Inc.]] to wine production (cf. [[Quezlar family]]).
* '''Great Master and Lord of All Life''' - [[Creator]] equivalent of [[Kebro-shepenor]].
* '''[[Grephthosthenes]]''' - A well-known (though little respected) figure of mythology.
* '''Grephthosthenes''' - A letter writer to Sock in old [[Ignaefta Recorder]]s.
* '''Griffin Alastair Bommlehodge''' - Sat on the Board of Mechanician's Guild; retired to Iganefta.
* '''Groll the Do-Gooder''' - One of Five Do-Gooders not defeated by Jemima Panderlock.
* '''Guido''' - One of the fictional pals of [[Gimlet]] from the play ''[[Gimlet]]''.
* '''Guy in the third row''' - Prematurely ended the [[Bindlet Banality]] game.
* '''Gyll Hill''' - The current (0 EC) president of the [[Cranee Historical Society]].
* '''[[Hack And The Jacks|Hackleford Vermeer]]''' ''(aka "Hack")'' - Founder of the [[NeoAlezanians]].
* '''Hallerman''' - Of Hallerman's Chaws & Straws, a family business closed in -183 EC.
* '''Hambeck clan''' - Claimed parentage of the [[Baby Alek]], deliberated by the [[Folktown]] courts.
* '''Harblock clan''' - Claimed parentage of the [[Baby Alek]], deliberated by the [[Folktown]] courts.
* '''Harover''' - Brother to [[Llysver the Doomed]], insulted by [[Kebonston Lefkrane]]; artist of the [[Dreamy period]].
* '''[[Harv Gretborn]]''' - Inventor of the [[Gravion Process]].
* '''Hattie''' - A farmhand, and topic of a poem called [[Hattie's Day]].
* '''Heh and the Blammos''' - Classic performer of [[quiver'n'bend]] music.
* '''[[Hemoss The Heretic]]''' - Issuer of two Great Heresies (cf. [[Altoxian Bulb]]).
* '''Heinrich Cornover''' - Once great [[Speedish Chefs|Speedish Chef]]; took his own life due to [[Cornover Reflex Syndrome]].
* '''Herbertoid''' - Translator of the [[Folktown]] X Documents.
* '''Herbertron''' - Translator of the [[Folktown]] X Documents.
* '''Herbert Blashford''' - Classic performer of [[quiver'n'bend]] music, founder of Musical [[Hermeneutics]].
* '''Hermen "J.J" Neut''' - of Wikaway Lane, Cranee Village, subject of study by a branch of [[Hermeneutics]].
* '''Herve Spe’Lhex''' - Second-generation student of [[Aminfarances]]; founder of ''Ancient Academy of Aminfarances''.
* '''Hew Loan''' - Once a Mayor of [[Folktown]]; [[Bavarian Creame]] was one of his Core Advisors.
* '''Hirum Paul Macklefoot''' - Owner of Untch-translated [[Grimporke Grimoire]]; translated it to MSG.
* '''Honuphrius''' - Brother of the Lantern and denouncer of [[Arariax]].
* '''[[Hopdurg]]''' - A God-king; unsuspected devotion to him by the [[Looliers]].
* '''Horatio Gloom Wakami''' - Son of Sylvia Beth Panderlock and [[Frandos Wakami]].
* '''Horglia''' - Trackster's girlfriend's sister; a once love-interest of scholar [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]].
* '''Horlog''' - Created a mechanism to tell time based on [[valley mice]] decorporation.
* '''[[Iain Underholm Smallwood]]''' - Assassinated [[Folktown]] Councilor.
* '''[[Ibaan Malmiz]]''' - Drunken Prophet and author of the [[Grimporke Grimoire]].
* '''[[Ibah Mahli]]''' - Author of ''Grinham Noire: Collected Tails''.
* '''Icon (family)''' - Saw themselves as a moral voice against [[Lord Glosfordshier]].
* '''The Iganefta City Jazz Band''' - A group of jazz music performers.
* '''[[Ignatius Maximillian Albertus Crank]]''' - Charlatan, creator of hair restoration tonic.
* '''Indigo Huac''' - One-time owner of the [[Folktown Records]].
* '''Innkeep of the Brhang Turnpike Inn''' - father of [[York of Brahang]].
* '''[[Irictus Ross]]''' - Coined the term [[theoalchemy]] in -96 EC.
* '''Ishrâfâ´îl''' - A servant of the [[Creator]] per the [[Nitenmangrey]] religion.
* '''Izadora Gutschtup''' - Actress, Alezan or [[Bobby Shwarmph|Shwarmph]] childbearer depending on who you ask.
* '''Izrâ´îl Tâwûs Malâk''' - The single deity of the [[Nitenmangrey]]; of the [[Creator]]; renamed [[The Beast]].
* '''Izzimae Grommie''' - Daffid Grommie's sister, first to climb [[Mount Yurch]]; ''Supreme Omigod'' of the [[Order of Truth]].
* '''[[Hack And The Jacks|Jack Juffers]]''' ''(aka "Long Jack")''- Co-founder of the [[NeoAlezanians]], younger sister of [[Bavarian Creame]].
* '''[[Hack And The Jacks|Jack Kootz]]''' ''(aka "Small Jack")''- Co-founder of the [[NeoAlezanians]].
* '''Jack Marksfields''' - Current president of [[DasMineGold]].
* '''[[Jack Tuckarando]]''' - Created the supply and demand for [[Tuckarando]] pets.
* '''[[Jimmy Cashews|James "Jimmy Cashews" Cashinawitz]]''' - Long time business parter of [[Johnny Lightning]].
* '''James Joojooflop Jones''' - [[NeoPostAncientism|NeoPostAncientist]], created a sculpture entitled "Horse" made from a single horse.
* '''Jan ver Daath''' - Retired from the [[Tarkherk Corps]] with a rank of Spearholder. He fooled us all.
* '''[[Jarvik Jarvik]]''' - Authority at the Committee for Epistemological Hygiene.
* '''Jeffers''' - One of those known as the Three Wise [[Rejah]]s.
* '''Jekkrey of Monmoth''' - First spouted about Luhddism.
* '''Jelena Brandi Dossleham-Lenhork''' - Mother of [[Madam Calvian]].
* '''Jelena Panderlock''' - Jemima Panderlock's non-identical twin sister.
* '''Jemima Panderlock''' - A fictional city girl living in a tall well-kept building in the east of [[Iganefta]].
* '''Jermaine Loweltree 78th''' - Alias of an informant regarding the [[Darkened Lantern]].
* '''Jesper Mirnle''' - Had a wife who unknowingly coined the "[[Jesper's constant]]" name.
* '''Joash Lokmire''' - Esteemed poet laureate and literary historian.
* '''Johanniz Fermple''' - Former Master Librarian.
* '''[[Johnny Lightning]]''' - Born Johan Ichabod Lightning, Grand [[Hive-Lord]] of [[Iganefta]] Back Market.
* '''Judhael Rockett''' - Father of [[Doc Rockett]].
* '''[[User:Joe Bowers|Joe Bowers]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar, has written for the [[Folktown Records]].
* '''[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]''' - Neutral Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''[[User:Juzh Iruk|Juzh Iruk]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''K Mrx''' - A play, "T'as a blimey nikt", details his exploits.
* '''[[Kan d'Aire]]''' - The first Ghyllian to cease being dead.
* '''Kardiff Aeleks Calvian''' - Child of Kardiff Calvian and [[Madam Calvian]].
* '''Kardiff Calvian''' - Current husband of [[Madam Calvian]].
* '''Kasteel Clubberspear''' - Father of [[Gadsringer Clubberspear]].
* '''Kathryn Pearl Blatherwill''' - A [[Harrabloon Bank]] teller in love with [[Johnny Lightning]].
* '''[[Kebonston Lefkrane]]''' - An anthropologist who first cited the name [[Nitenmangrey]].
* '''Kev, The''' - Inhabitants of [[Kebro-shepenor]]; they don't like visitors very much.
* '''Kifomyria Altos''' - A loose poet, rumored to have wintered with X R Quezlar; wrote about [[Grephthosthenes]].
* '''[[Kiluma]]''' - Goddess of chaos to the [[Looliers]], patron goddess to the Exingians.
* '''[[King Harandraff the Great]]''' - Led siege on [[Bute University]]; died in the Civil War that followed.
* '''King Leverznod the Sibilant''' - Father of [[King Harandraff the Great]].
* '''Kooper''' - A philosopher; was studied by [[Pricludious]].
* '''Kortayal''' - Owned the now-defunct [[Kortayal Trading Expedition]].
* '''The Knackerbats''' - Classic (well, maybe not) performer of [[quiver'n'bend]] music.
* '''Kraft''' - A Sub-Theophane, he helped write the new Constitution of [[Iganefta]].
* '''The Lalalas''' - Classic performer of [[quiver'n'bend]] music.
* '''[[User:Lady Aleksandra Quininery|Lady Aleksandra]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''[[Lane Smallwood]]''' - A younger sister of [[Iain Underholm Smallwood]].
* '''[[User:Lankin|Lankin the Mad Mage]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Lapernees''' - Historian and scholar of [[Bute University]].
* '''Latnai''' - Legendary hero of the [[Aerle]]; his tentacles dried and fell off.
* '''Latvi Bouk Calvian''' - Child of Kardiff Calvian and [[Madam Calvian]].
* '''Latvi Reginal Cronin Wallinger''' - Father of [[Madam Calvian]], cousin of [[Oregano Amber]].
* '''Legate Constan Zefrynus''' - Struck a deal with Ramshod Axis regarding the Acquaduck Filiis.
* '''Leemonje'lo''' - An entity worshipped by Ibaan Malmiz.
* '''[[User:Leonard_J._Keatings|Leonard J. Keatings]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Leselle d'Burder''' - Holds record for longest recorded [[suspension]] due to [[lollipop]] recipe theft.
* '''Lightning''' - Of the Cirq l' Tytns travelling circus; a speedster.
* '''Litvia''' - A [[Paramount Queen]], joined with Bursine the 14th.
* '''[[Llysver the Doomed]]''' - Magistrate of Alpha peninsula; brother of Harover.
* '''Looly''' - Divinity of Dark Fire, of [[Vulcrue]].
* '''[[Lord Glosfordshier]]''' - Supposedly of Alezan, had herald of the [[Furious Apple]], Lord-Mayor of [[Iganefta]].
* '''Los Hombres del Rey''' - Classic performer of [[quiver'n'bend]] music.
* '''Lucy O'Donnell''' - Her [[NeoPostAncientism|NeoPostAncientist]] experiments in incongruent imagery hang in the [[Zaprosingfrink Gallery]].
* '''Lufford Grommie''' - Cousin of Rikkard Grommie; original writer of [[Boing]].
* '''Lumawig the Great Spirit''' - [[Creator]] equivalent of the [[Xurient]].
* '''[[Llysver the Doomed]]''' - Royalty of some sort; had a brother named Harover.
* '''[[M'Kev D'wal]]''' - A Kev from [[Kebro-shepenor]]; shrieks a lot and scares kids.
* '''[[Peershakes|M. Peershakes]]''' - Playwright of the perennial favorite ''[[Gimlet]]''.
* '''[[Madam Calvian]]''' - Neighbour to a [[Folktown Records]] employee, younger sister of [[Bavarian Creame]].
* '''Mack Himminfen''' - Second president of [[DasMineGold]].
* '''Madson''' - One of those known as the Three Wise [[Rejah]]s.
* '''Magot''' - A farmer who lives in, or near, the teensy village of Uothe.
* '''[[User:Robbi|Makarii Spitignev]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar, [[Iganefta]] resident.
* '''Margaret Widderson''' - One of the foremost contemporary Andelight craftswomen.
* '''Markleson''' - A sub-lochree of [[Folktown]]'s ISMEPCJ in -590 EC.
* '''Marque Cho'gall''' - Alias of an informant regarding the [[Darkened Lantern]].
* '''Mary Elizabeth Carsokian''' - Became head of the [[Carsokian|Carsokian Clan]] in -100 EC.
* '''Mason Grommie''' - Runs entertainment halls in [[Iganefta-on-the-Sea]].
* '''Matriarch Palanquin''' - "She Whose Eggsack Nurtures All Children".
* '''Maxilla von Sims''' - Little-known archeologist who discovered lore related to [[Grephthosthenes]].
* '''Maximilian Gustavus Grande''' - The de facto leader of the [[Houvers]].
* '''Martyr Ursula Sandwich of the Hill''' - Name given to nameless [[Arbuckle Hill]] Martyr by [[Odgar IV]].
* '''Maximilian Thaddeus Dossleham''' - Translated the [[Grimporke Grimoire]] into Olkuull.
* '''Mek Meckton''' - Director of the Brotherhood of Golemists; met with [[Odgar IV]].
* '''[[Meldersen]]''' - [[Awal shrinkage]] scholar, has a famous axiom: "It's downside up!".
* '''[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar and Fadr resident.
* '''Menia Pyre''' - Married [[Bysted Timperton]], had son Tim Timperton.
* '''[[Hack And The Jacks|Michael Mooney]]''' ''(aka "Jack")''- Co-founder of the [[NeoAlezanians]], younger sister of [[Bavarian Creame]].
* '''Mick from Hillbottom''' - The first Marshall of the [[Folktown]] court in -587 EC.
* '''Mikel Mboya''' - A writer of little consequence. Mboya is a common name.
* '''Mikail abû Bakr''' - A servant of the [[Creator]] per the [[Nitenmangrey]] religion.
* '''Misery Gobble''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Miss Deona Hasal''' - Mother of [[Gadsringer Clubberspear]].
* '''Miss Haether Aspic''' - Younger sister of Thoedore Aspic.
* '''Miss Hairy Mandibles''' - Travelled with [[Ignatius Maximillian Albertus Crank]].
* '''Miss Wonder''' - Of the Cirq l' Tytns travelling circus; can bend metal with her hands.
* '''Mmyogurt''' - An entity worshipped by Ibaan Malmiz.
* '''Mo Quezlar''' - Created [[Fefferberry]] juice and Frozen Fefferpops (cf. [[Quezlar family]]).
* '''Molly Harling''' - Mother of [[Baron James Horkmanifester]] and "Hostess".
* '''[[Momfrex Resgrew]]''' - The once-famous sage was claimed by [[Mount Yurch]].
* '''Monty Thabot''' - Vice Chairman of the [[Bureau of Forgotten Knowledge]]'s Steering Committee.
* '''[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Mork Waterson''' - 87 year old Author Laureate winner at the [[Calends Gala]] in -1 EC.
* '''[[Morphous Ibb]]''' - (born -8 EC) Wrote to the [[Folktown Records]], published in edition 578.
* '''Mother Mutton''' - Wrote a long-to-type, fun-to-say coloring book on Historio-Physics.
* '''Mox Elder''' - Once a Mildly Impressive Commandant of the [[Tarkherk Corps]].
* '''Mrs. Bagouville''' - Housekeeper of [[Pricludious]]; was there when he died.
* '''Nadia Icon''' - Married [[Wapsipinicon of Aghquabamticook]].
* '''Naggard Grommie''' - Son of Lufford Grommie; now writes the [[Boing]] [[luminous manuscript|lumic]].
* '''Ned Altocks''' - Subclerk to the [[High Librarian]] of [[Bute University]].
* '''Neville Sidgeford''' - Helped rob [[Harrabloon Bank]] branch with [[Johnny Lightning]].
* '''Niala Wallinger''' - Oldest daughter of [[Bavarian Creame]], from her first marriage.
* '''Nigala Jasna Calvian''' - Child of Kardiff Calvian and [[Madam Calvian]].
* '''Niles Wammerham''' - Helped rob [[Harrabloon Bank]] branch with [[Johnny Lightning]].
* '''Norm Bryforge''' - A founding member of [[Bute University]]; [[Pricludious]] named "Normal Math" after him.
* '''[[Not Peershakes]]''' - An imposter of [[Peershakes]].
* '''Novice Frettac''' - Possibly of the [[Order of Mnerr]], see [[Uninformed, The|The Uninformed]].
* '''Nûrâ´îl''' - A servant of the [[Creator]] per the [[Nitenmangrey]] religion.
* '''Nyorgard Frunt''' - Married [[Doc Rockett]]; had two children.
* '''[[Oblibestircus]]''' - Minor scholar, not of the ''maior et sanior pars''
* '''[[Odgar IV]]''' - Held court in the eastern quarter of [[Iganefta]].
* '''[[Olaff Devork]]''' - Founder of the [[Harrabloon Bank]] in -185 [[EC]].
* '''Oldellius -1''' - An apocryphical king of the [[Nitenmangrey]].
* '''Olly Ulolly''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''[[Opoudelian Starker]]''' - The Wandering Jew (or Flying Dutchman) of Ghyll.
* '''[[Oregano Amber]]''' - Defined the term "[[gentinality]]".
* '''Oregithol''' - A philosopher; was studied by [[Pricludious]].
* '''Orogenezis''' - A student of [[Rancticirchiretic]] within the discipline of [[theoarcheology]].
* '''Pankuu''' - [[Creator]] equivalent of the [[Looliers]].
* '''Patriarch Falpatuin''' - "He Who Owns All That His Mothers Have Touched".
* '''Patrick Retic''' - Farm labourer father of [[Rancticirchiretic]].
* '''Patricia Rancticirchi''' - Littleschool headmistress mother of [[Rancticirchiretic]].
* '''Perry Tocklewits''' - A possible pseudonym for [[Ibah Mahli]].
* '''Petr Hof''' - A historian at the [[Collegium Civitas]] in Thopth.
* '''Pfillip Vinekraft''' - Curator of the Nite Gallery in Thopth.
* '''Phennella''' - Member of the [[Cranee Historical Society]].
* '''Phillip Vincent Murdstone''' - "[[Hive-Lord]] of Hive-Lords"; known in the [[Iganefta]] Back Market.
* '''[[Phyllis Creanie]]''' - Found as a mud puddle due to [[Zygotic Dermatosis]].
* '''[[Phylostarus]]''' - Ancient historian (-232 EC to -162 EC).
* '''Pinky's People''' - Purportedly the inhabitants and cause of the lights of [[Pinky]].
* '''P'Jubal''' - [[Tuckarando]] friend of [[Fijjit Mejora|Fijjit]] in the best-selling “[[Fijjit Mejora|Fijjit]] and the [[Fefferberry]] Failure”.
* '''[[Pricludious]]''' - Mathematician and Philosopher.
* '''Prof. "Mizo" Mononoke''' - Professor of cloud studies and alleged creator of the [[Kites d'Jeaux]]
* '''[[Professor Altoxian]]''' - Inventor of the [[Altoxian Bulb]], [[Iganefta]] resident.
* '''Professor Jarvis Tinkle''' - Researcher at the [[Bureau of Forgotten Knowledge]].
* '''Professor Kloon ar'Flizzig''' - A professor of philosophy; taught [[Pricludious]].
* '''Professor Dos’lhork''' - The most outspoken opponent of the [[zilch]] hypothesis.
* '''Pomfri Resgrew''' - Suspected of being the imposter [[Not Peershakes]].
* '''[[User:Prothall|Prothall]]''' - Old, decrepit, senile, and nearly deaf Ghyll scholar.
* '''Prudence''' - "Subtle color stylings" hang in the [[Zaprosingfrink Gallery]].
* '''Pvlato''' - A philosopher; was studied by [[Pricludious]].
* '''Q. Turlingdrome''' - Controversial [[NeoPostAncientism|NeoPostAncientist]].
* '''[[Qane]]''' - The proprietor of the Cirq l' Tytns, a travelling circus of sorts.
* '''Qib of Nifhar''' - Original student of [[Aminfarances]]; remembered as man who brought in Herve Spe’Lhex.
* '''Quad Hiffle''' - Of [[Egron]], believes the Rouble is the result of a [[Varlansk]] sneeze.
* '''Quinto Quaffmar "Quaff More" Quezlar''' - Founded [[Quezlar's Quaff, Inc.]] (cf. [[Quezlar family]]).
* '''[[Quezlar 6]]''' - (flourised -300 EC) Created [[Quezlarian Numerals]], crossed [[Elminster Mire]].
* '''Quiz Quezlar''' - The wealthiest man in all of Ghyll (cf. [[Quezlar family]]).
* '''Quizzette''' - The first Contessi l’Kyrch of No, Gno, and Kno.
* '''[[User:Qwentyth Pyre|Qwentyth Pyre]]''' - (born -58 EC) Ghyll Lexicon scholar and [[Evesque Valley]] resident.
* '''Ralfi Porrije''' - Editor-in-chief of the Iganefta Recorder, circa -18 EC.
* '''Ralph Alpher''' - [[Rejah]] of [[Shepenor]], famous for his huge capacity for [[Adlorst Vinifera]].
* '''Ralph Neocronin''' - Recorded the most recent occurrence of [[Articulary Motion]] in -1 [[EC]].
* '''Ramingotes''' - Helped prove that [[Gyll Hill]] was etymologically unrelated to "Ghyll".
* '''Ramshod Axis''' - Built the [[klokwerx]]; negotiated with the [[Dulalian Empire]].
* '''[[Rancticirchiretic]]''' - Scholar of the [[Nitenmangrey]].
* '''[[Rater Goldfish]]''' - Composer of [[Freege Horn]] music (real name Gordon Matteaus Summerprick).
* '''[[Rattallan]]''' (~250 EC to 167 EC)- Predictor of numerous world endings, one of which partially became true.
* '''Reeyay''' - Prounced the tracing of others' [[grenfing|grenfs]] to be indecent.
* '''Regg Wallinger''' - First cousin of Elki Hue Vallinger.
* '''Reuben Fischelburn''' - Wrote a book on the [[acineen]], published by [[Bute University]].
* '''Revelerax''' - Former student of the [[Brothers of the Lantern]].
* '''Rhajoon Quezlar''' - At age of 10, took over [[Quezlar's Quaff, Inc.]] (cf. [[Quezlar family]]).
* '''Rhajoon Quezlar II''' - Spent his entire life vacationing (cf. [[Quezlar family]]).
* '''Rhajoon Quezlar III''' - Ran [[Quezlar's Quaff, Inc.]] for just a year (cf. [[Quezlar family]]).
* '''Richard Crowly-Akron''' - Inventor of the AudioAerio and founder of the legendarily unfortunate [[Misery Loves Company]].
* '''Richard Pedresq''' - Present at the [[Clamorxian Decoding Method|decoding]] of the [[Djiknax Creation Manuscripts]].
* '''Rikkard Grommie''' - Second generation of the [[Grommies|Grommie]] family fortune.
* '''Rocky''' - One of the fictional pals of [[Gimlet]] from the play ''[[Gimlet]]''.
* '''Rogbert the Wizzlard''' - A wise and extremely useful guide that accompanied Jemima Panderlock.
* '''Roger Ululator''' - [[Iain Underholm Smallwood]]'s father.
* '''Rok Wapsipin''' - Father of [[Wapsipinicon of Aghquabamticook]].
* '''[[Royal Dulalia]]''' - Won the bidding process for the [[Gravion Process]], cemented the Dulalian Empire, is now Emperor.
* '''Rubella von Sims''' - The only registered relation of Maxilla von Sims.
* '''RUE''' - Deity of Shameless Self-Promotion, and Pancakes Too, of [[Vulcrue]].
* '''Russell Grimdale''' - Helped rob [[Harrabloon Bank]] branch with [[Johnny Lightning]].
* '''Ruxhay Oll''' - Invented the [[Whozits|Zits]] scale for measuring history.
* '''Sajâdin''' - A servant of the [[Creator]] per the [[Nitenmangrey]] religion.
* '''Sally Gallifrey''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Salerny Redthighs''' - Chief of the [[Looliers]] during the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]].
* '''"Salty" Gibbons''' - Alias of an informant regarding the [[Darkened Lantern]].
* '''Samnâ´îl''' - A servant of the [[Creator]] per the [[Nitenmangrey]] religion.
* '''Sarfl''' - Former [[Brothers of the Lantern]], lives up on [[Po Mountain]] shouting blammos.
* '''Sargewoold Pedresq''' - His mother was insulted in the [[Djiknax Creation Manuscripts]].
* '''Sargewoold Pedresq's mother''' - Apparently, a nincomppoop! (See The Sages).
* '''"Scott" Roberts''' - First of the Pirate Sea Emperors. Captain of the ''[[Zugleich]]''.
* '''[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar and Tomlinson Bridleway restoration campaigner.
* '''Sea Peoples''' - Ghyllians who live on rafts but come ashore to [[Nesting|nest]].
* '''Second Floor Librarian''' - Of the [[Charterhouse Collection]]; may they rest in peace.
* '''Semolina Pilchard''' - [[Nitenmangrey]] Master; art hangs in the [[Zaprosingfrink Gallery]].
* '''Ser Daffid Lud''' - Wrote about the [[Ungerry-Tubers]] in his journal.
* '''Ser Mek Thoedore Harling''' - A love interest of [[Madam Calvian]].
* '''Ser Wilian von Goot''' - The foreman of the [[Klokwerx]] project.
* '''Ser York Timperton-Axis''' - Once husband, deceased, of [[Madam Calvian]].
* '''Sergeant Richie''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Sherman Tdz''' - [[NeoPostAncientism|NeoPostAncientist]], known for his interactive artwork.
* '''[[Shtreimi]]''' - Also known as the Joyful Divine Octuplets.
* '''Siam Sinch''' - Artist, and daughter of [[Bavarian Creame]] from her previous marriage.
* '''Sidd Terry''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Sir Rumsfeld Tiggerwort''' - Discovered the [[Ziggurat Scrolls]] in -7 EC.
* '''Skull and Clown Society''' - A secret society of [[Bute University]].
* '''Slibberty Tibbery''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Slilmornay Rockett''' - Child of [[Doc Rockett]] and current Master Librarian.
* '''[[User:Snafu Bohica|Snafu Bohica]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar and eldest of a city of devil-worshipping monks.
* '''[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Sock''' - A letter writer to Grephthosthenes in old [[Ignaefta Recorder]]s.
* '''[[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]]''' - A rogue scholar wanted by the [[:Category:Encyclopedants|Encyclopedants]].
* '''"Sufferin' Succotashes"''' - Two of the most recognizable [[Bindlet Ball]] players.
* '''[[Supetupheraraphes]]''' - Historian and coiner of the term "[[Aquentravalkeration|aquentravalkeration]]".
* '''Sylvia Beth Panderlock''' - Niece of Mary Elizabeth Carsokian, modern age leader of the [[Carsokian|Carsokian Clan]].
* '''Sylvia Brunnhilda Carsokian''' - [[Grand Matriarch]] and source of the [[Carsokian|Carsokian Clan]].
* '''T.M. Skeilz''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''[[User:Talliesin|Talliesin]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''[[User:Deusx|Tamlin Moon]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Ten-from-one''' - The ten children chosen by the birds of the [[Budgerigar Master]].
* '''Tery Smashing''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''[[The Beast]]''' - Worshipped by the xenophobic [[Agarttha]]n priesthood.
* '''The Crossbow''' - Of the Cirq l' Tytns travelling circus; expert shot with the crossbow.
* '''The Submerger''' - Of the Cirq l' Tytns travelling circus; can hold his breath under anything.
* '''The Sun God''' - [[Creator]] equivalent of [[Alezan]]; created [[Vulcrue]] with The Queen.
* '''The Queen''' - [[Creator]] equivalent of [[Alezan]]; created [[Vulcrue]] with The Sun God.
* '''[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Third [[Horse]] Grenadiers''' - One of the finest troupes of players in the history of theater.
* '''Theodore Aspic''' - Founder of the ''[[Iganefta Recorder]]'' and First Master Librarian.
* '''Thomas Heckeljeckel''' - A master cabinetmaker.
* '''Thureau Grommie''' - Third (and current) generation of the [[Grommies|Grommie]] family fortune.
* '''Tiebelly Frankfurt''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Tim Timperton''' - A [[Folktown Records]] writer and ex-member of the [[Council for Quezlarian Research]].
* '''Tirey O'Lorb''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Tistar Wakami''' - Wife, now separated of [[Godfroi Hasawithe]].
* '''The Sages''' - Group of [[NeoPostAncientism|NeoPostAncientists]], also known as Sargewoold Pedresq's Mothre.
* '''The Toadboys''' - Classic performer of [[quiver'n'bend]] music.
* '''Thou Greatly Headed''' - Was beheaded in -503 EC.
* '''[[Thou Greatly Heeded]]''' - Founded the Color and Noise Foundation in [[Ellensworth]].
* '''Tobin Grivitz''' - Father of [[Pricludious]] and prosperous wax farmer.
* '''Tooke (family)''' - Saw themselves as a moral voice against [[Lord Glosfordshier]].
* '''Tootsie (family)''' - The recipe for their [[lollipop]] was stolen by Leselle d'Burder.
* '''Torvinquanai Metatron''' - The first [[Xurient|Xuriental]] [[Paramount Queen]]; stripped of her crown.
* '''Trackster''' - Room-mate of scholar [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at [[Bute University]].
* '''[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''Troy''' - Co-owner of The Underfunded Eastside Publishing House for Small and Insignificant Mammals.
* '''Trunggar Minfy''' - Mother of [[Doc Rockett]].
* '''[[Trung Tro Hampher]]''' - An offbeat [[Iganefta]] mayoral candidate.
* '''Tue''' - Wrote about the [[Ungerry-Tubers]] for Wyrd Tales.
* '''[[Turboduck]]''' - Classic performer of [[quiver'n'bend]] music.
* '''Tyria Diggley''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Ul'o''' - Lord of the Filthy Waters, of [[Vulcrue]].
* '''Ull Gitshire Kmuppens''' - Wünderscientist and author of the [[Kmuppens' Taxonomy]].
* '''Ully Olully''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Umgumphornitz Rockett''' - Child of [[Doc Rockett]].
* '''Umbrig [[Hythmium]]''' - Invented the process of turning light to metal; a false-deity.
* '''Ungrateful We're Still Living Posse''' - A tween-gang that was known around [[Iganefta]] in the -270s and -260s.
* '''[[Varlansk]]''' - A god, or joke about the wind, from the [[Nitenmangrey]].
* '''[[Vemish]]''' - The epitome of "wrong place, wrong time" - bad luck all around.
* '''Vengeful''' - Attribution of an [[Elminster Mire]] ghost, per [[Ignatius Maximillian Albertus Crank]].
* '''Verity Small''' - A pseudonym of [[Ibah Mahli]]; one of many.
* '''Viktor MiBrons''' - Wrote ''The Kev: My adventures on Kebro-shepenor''; also lived there.
* '''Violetta''' - [[Quezlar 6]]'s wife, whose nickname was 'Vi'.
* '''[[User:Vladimir the 16th|Vladimir the 16th]]''' - Ghyll Lexicon scholar.
* '''[[Vulcrue]]''' - Also known as the Wrathful Divine Quintuplets.
* '''[[Wadjidir]]''' - An order or guild of Ghyllian intelligence balancers.
* '''Walshet''' - A mathematical luminary; [[Pricludious]] studied their work.
* '''Wangeline''' - A Contessi l’Kyrch of No, Gno, and Kno, roughly -331 [[EC]].
* '''Whanmoore Payne''' - Current Adjudicator-in-Chief in the lawsuits involving [[EUPHORIA]], GMG, and FMC.
* '''Whelmin Shirnkal''' - He and his mate were killed, and the [[Bethelanious Mist]] was there.
* '''[[White Lady]]''', The - Supposed savior of Mox Elder on [[Umbo Moor]].
* '''[[Whostley]]''' - The [[Freege Horn]] keys-man of [[Cadaver, The|The Cadaver]].
* '''[[Wilhelmina Corinne Bardway]]''' - Made discoveries regarding [[Ghoulwood viola|ghoulwood]] and [[supranatural luminescence meter|supranatural luminescence]].
* '''Windsor Creame''' - (born -58 EC) Writer for the [[Folktown Records]].
* '''[[York of Brahang]]''' - A scholar who studied [[Lord Glosfordshier]]; his works were suppressed.
* '''X R Quezlar''' - Died hearing THE VOICES; whither golden stein? (cf. [[Quezlar family]]).
* '''Xhasone Margolhu''' - A mathematical theorem is named after him.
* '''[[Xlardamnf]]''' - Also known as the "[[Stone of Wisdom]]"; was stoned to death.
* '''Yetta Terbium''' - [[Paramount Queen]] and, bucking custom, [[rejah]].
* '''Ylene Ylo''' - Member of [[Iganefta]] Advisory in -53 [[EC]]; coined [[Baron James Horkmanifester|Horkmanifester]].
* '''[[York of Brahang]]''' - Son of an innkeeper; his books were suppressed.
* '''Y't't't'g K'rk't't't''' - The back of this [[Alezan pantheon|Alezanian]] god forms the [[Plain of Brahang]].
* '''Zarf Berstin''' - Publicly antagonistic to [[EUPHORIA]]; currently living within the [[Zyrgian Asylum]].
* '''Zechariah Zavini''' - He and his wife Ambuline built the [[Zavinian House]].
* '''Zed Dredig''' - Proponent of the Gyp Theory of the origin of [[Criminals]].
* '''[[Zed Varren]]''' - Creator of the term [[Unquisition]] and its originator.

[[Category:Encyclopedants]]

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-01T20:50:37Z

Snood Trunion: /* Reverse turn order */

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-12-01T02:42:25Z

Snood Trunion: /* Writing phantoms first is no longer required */ Another idea...

User:Snood Trunion

2005-11-30T23:46:32Z

Snood Trunion: /* The Snood Trunion, "Scholar" and Purveyor of the Finest of Things */

==The Snood Trunion, "Scholar" and Purveyor of the Finest of Things==
The scholarly pursuits of The Snood Trunion, the youngest of this generation of the Trunion lineage, began when he was but four years out of the womb. For it was at this time that he set about trying to put together a detailed classification of all his toy blocks not only by color, but by relative size, weight, shape, and number of bumpy things on the top. And yet, after having devoted seven years of his young life to this endeavor, he felt his life was still not complete. Thus, he applied to [[Bute University]] at the tender age of 11. He was, quite succinctly, denied admittance. This traumatizing event stilted the poor Snood's image of himself, and he went into hiding in the basement of his parent's home. He did not resurface until about -9 [[EC]], at which point he published his book of memoirs, entitled ''Playing the Field: How to Pretend to Know Everything About Everything.'' The book was a best-seller for twelve weeks. Two years later, he published a book of [[luminous manuscript|lumics]] entitled ''I Have No Clue What I'm Doing, But I'm Bound to Pen Another Best-Seller by Name Recognition Alone.'' An excerpt:

: There once was a fellow from Ghyll.
: He doth make his home there yet still.
: Though once in a daze,
: To his friend he did say,
: Man, I can't write lumics for shit!

Since then, The Snood Trunion has lived in [[Folktown]], the center of scholarly life in all of Ghyll, with occasional sabbatical trips to [[Iganefta-on-the-Sea]], where he hopes to purchase his new home. It has been reported that he is planning a journey north to [[Dŵplat]], where he hopes to revel in the clear stream and perhaps finally solve the mystery of the seven-walled house. Best of luck to him.

==Bryan Andrews, Ghyll Player==
A young man of twenty years making his home in rural Texas with wife and three children. At nineteen, obtained an electronic mailing address, situated at [mailto:MysticalGenesis@yahoo.com Yahoo!]. Currently unemployed, as all great scholars tend to be.

'''Entries:'''

* '''U''' - [[Urching tracks]], and phantom [[Toria]]. Please do be gentle in your critiques, as this is my first entry.
* '''V''' - No entry for V. My internet was shut off.
* '''W''' - [[Worrying]], and phantom [[backcountry]]. Perhaps I'm starting to get the hang of this.
* '''X''' - [[Absolute Erasure]], and phantom [[unknown soldier]]. A spotlighted entry! My bosom swells with pride.
* '''Y''' - No entry for Y. We recently moved, and my internet is not connected yet. As such, I am updating from a friend's house.
* '''Z''' - [[Zavinian House]], and phantom [[Trunions]]. My first original entry, and as such, not as cohesive or integrated as I would have wanted.

* '''R2-R3 Mad-edit''' - [[King Harandraff the Great]].

This is '''my''' user page, and if I want to arbitrarily change some facets of my character, I '''will''', damnit!

==Previous Snood Trunion Bios==
Previous versions of the Snood bio can be found [[/notepad|here]].

User:Snood Trunion

2005-11-30T23:45:43Z

Snood Trunion:

==The Snood Trunion, "Scholar" and Purveyor of the Finest of Things==
The scholarly pursuits of The Snood Trunion, the youngest of this generation of the Trunion lineage, began when he was but four years out of the womb. For it was at this time that he set about trying to put together a detailed classification of all his toy blocks not only by color, but by relative size, weight, shape, and number of bumpy things on the top. And yet, after having devoted seven years of his young life to this endeavor, he felt his life was still not complete. Thus, he applied to [[Bute University]] at the tender age of 11. He was, quite succinctly, denied admittance. This traumatizing event stilted the poor Snood's image of himself, and he went into hiding in the basement of his parent's home. He did not resurface until about -9 [[EC]], at which point he published his book of memoirs, entitled ''Playing the Field: How to Pretend to Know Everything About Everything.'' The book was a best-seller for twelve weeks. Two years later, he published a book of [[luminous manuscript|lumics]] entitled ''I Have No Clue What I'm Doing, But I'm Bound To Pen Another Best-Seller By Name Recognition Alone.'' An excerpt:

: There once was a fellow from Ghyll.
: He doth make his home there yet still.
: Though once in a daze,
: To his friend he did say,
: Man, I can't write lumics for shit!

Since then, The Snood Trunion has lived in [[Folktown]], the center of scholarly life in all of Ghyll, with occasional sabbatical trips to [[Iganefta-on-the-Sea]], where he hopes to purchase his new home. It has been reported that he is planning a journey north to [[Dŵplat]], where he hopes to revel in the clear stream and perhaps finally solve the mystery of the seven-walled house. Best of luck to him.

==Bryan Andrews, Ghyll Player==
A young man of twenty years making his home in rural Texas with wife and three children. At nineteen, obtained an electronic mailing address, situated at [mailto:MysticalGenesis@yahoo.com Yahoo!]. Currently unemployed, as all great scholars tend to be.

'''Entries:'''

* '''U''' - [[Urching tracks]], and phantom [[Toria]]. Please do be gentle in your critiques, as this is my first entry.
* '''V''' - No entry for V. My internet was shut off.
* '''W''' - [[Worrying]], and phantom [[backcountry]]. Perhaps I'm starting to get the hang of this.
* '''X''' - [[Absolute Erasure]], and phantom [[unknown soldier]]. A spotlighted entry! My bosom swells with pride.
* '''Y''' - No entry for Y. We recently moved, and my internet is not connected yet. As such, I am updating from a friend's house.
* '''Z''' - [[Zavinian House]], and phantom [[Trunions]]. My first original entry, and as such, not as cohesive or integrated as I would have wanted.

* '''R2-R3 Mad-edit''' - [[King Harandraff the Great]].

This is '''my''' user page, and if I want to arbitrarily change some facets of my character, I '''will''', damnit!

==Previous Snood Trunion Bios==
Previous versions of the Snood bio can be found [[/notepad|here]].

User:Snood Trunion/bios

2005-11-30T23:36:25Z

Snood Trunion:

User:Snood Trunion/bios

2005-11-30T23:35:44Z

Snood Trunion:

'''14 Oct -- 25 Oct, 2005''' 
Not much is known about the Snood Trunion, aside from the well-documented exploits of his brother and sister Trunions. No, the Snood Trunion much despises familiarity, prefering to sulk around in the dark, shadowy confines of his grand manor, which is widely known to be the largest building in [[Folktown]]. It is rumored he has a great many young females traipsing his halls, tending to his every whim. It is also rumored that the grand building in Folktown is not even his residence. As he keeps his business so secretive, most of what is "known" about him is purely hearsay. Many don't even know what manner of species of creature he is, and those who do know, and do tell, are taken with their word as false.

As for the validity of "Snood" being his real name, is has been widely reported that the moniker is indeed an alias. Reports of his actual name vary, from one "official" publication outing him as Corinne Gublingmig, the female adventurer from several centuries ago, to another purporting to have evidence of a written certificate of his birth, in which his name is shown to be Bryan Andrews. But then again, no one could (or should, for that matter) ever be born with such a droll name.

'''25 Oct -- 26 Oct, 2005''' 
Hello, I am the Snood Trunion, last and greatest of the Trunion line. Actually, I don't know for sure that I am the last, as I don't speak to my family since they kicked me out of the basement. I am a scholar, which means I have free reign about the town to copy down my observances, and nobody can tell me my word is false. That also means I don't have to have a "real" job, so there's another plus.

My life consists of donning the preferred disguise of the day (as I am hideously ugly beneath) and walking about [[Folktown]], where I live in the largest building in town. At least, it's largest to me, as I stand no taller than two or three kinanits. One thing I do have to say about the people of Folktown: your feet stink! Do you make it a point to trudge in every splak mound you find?

One last thing: my identity is my own, and not the intellectual property of some twenty-year-old sitting at his desk prescribing my past, present, and destiny. I am my own creature, damnit!

'''26 Oct -- 02 Nov, 2005''' 
The Snood Trunion, noted lumicist... lumicker... lumician... lumaster...

The Snood Trunion, noted writer of lumics. Also a scholar.

: There once was a fellow from Ghyll.
: He doth make his home there yet still.
: Though once in a daze,
: To his friend he did say,
: Man, I can't write lumics for shit!

'''02 Nov -- 04 Nov, 2005''' 
Not the brightest needle in the [[splak]]. 
Not the highest string in the kitchen. 
Not the loosest ball on the chain. 
Not the most exascerbated Monotapute on the plains. 
Not even sure how to spell exascerbated. 
And neverthelessly, one of the foremost scholars and tea brewers on the whole of Ghyll proper.

''"If I only had more fefferberries..."''

''' -- ''' 
The scholarly pursuits of The Snood Trunion, the youngest of this generation of the Trunion lineage, began when he was but four years out of the womb. For it was at this time that he set about trying to put together a detailed classification of all his toy blocks not only by color, but by relative size, weight, shape, and number of bumpy things on the top. And yet, after having devoted seven years of his young life to this endeavor, he felt his life was still not complete. Thus, he applied to [[Bute University]] at the tender age of 11. He was, quite succinctly, denied admittance. This traumatizing event stilted the poor Snood's image of himself, and he went into hiding in the basement of his parent's home. He did not resurface until about -9 [[EC]], at which point he published his book of memoirs, entitled ''Playing the Field: How to Pretend to Know Everything About Everything.'' The book was a best-seller for twelve weeks.

The Snood Trunion currently lives in [[Folktown]], where he pretends to know everything about everything. In other words, he has successfully assimilated himself with every other scholar in Ghyll.

User:Snood Trunion

2005-11-30T22:42:47Z

Snood Trunion: /* The Snood Trunion, "Scholar" and Purveyor of the Finest of Things */

==The Snood Trunion, "Scholar" and Purveyor of the Finest of Things==
The scholarly pursuits of The Snood Trunion, the youngest of this generation of the Trunion lineage, began when he was but four years out of the womb. For it was at this time that he set about trying to put together a detailed classification of all his toy blocks not only by color, but by relative size, weight, shape, and number of bumpy things on the top. And yet, after having devoted seven years of his young life to this endeavor, he felt his life was still not complete. Thus, he applied to [[Bute University]] at the tender age of 11. He was, quite succinctly, denied admittance. This traumatizing event stilted the poor Snood's image of himself, and he went into hiding in the basement of his parent's home. He did not resurface until about -9 [[EC]], at which point he published his book of memoirs, entitled ''Playing the Field: How to Pretend to Know Everything About Everything.'' The book was a best-seller for twelve weeks.

Since then, The Snood Trunion has lived in [[Folktown]], the center of scholarly life in all of Ghyll, with occasional sabbatical trips to [[Iganefta-on-the-Sea]], where he hopes to purchase his new home. It has been reported that he is planning a journey north to [[Dŵplat]], where he hopes to revel in the clear stream and perhaps finally solve the mystery of the seven-walled house. Best of luck to him.

==Bryan Andrews, Ghyll Player==
A young man of twenty years making his home in rural Texas with wife and three children. At nineteen, obtained an electronic mailing address, situated at [mailto:MysticalGenesis@yahoo.com Yahoo!]. Currently unemployed, as all great scholars tend to be.

'''Entries:'''

* '''U''' - [[Urching tracks]], and phantom [[Toria]]. Please do be gentle in your critiques, as this is my first entry.
* '''V''' - No entry for V. My internet was shut off.
* '''W''' - [[Worrying]], and phantom [[backcountry]]. Perhaps I'm starting to get the hang of this.
* '''X''' - [[Absolute Erasure]], and phantom [[unknown soldier]]. A spotlighted entry! My bosom swells with pride.
* '''Y''' - No entry for Y. We recently moved, and my internet is not connected yet. As such, I am updating from a friend's house.
* '''Z''' - [[Zavinian House]], and phantom [[Trunions]]. My first original entry, and as such, not as cohesive or integrated as I would have wanted.

* '''R2-R3 Mad-edit''' - [[King Harandraff the Great]].

This is '''my''' user page, and if I want to arbitrarily change some facets of my character, I '''will''', damnit!

==Previous Snood Trunion Bios==
Previous versions of the Snood bio can be found [[/notepad|here]].

User:Snood Trunion

2005-11-30T17:36:18Z

Snood Trunion:

Ghyll:Absolute Erasure

2005-11-30T17:26:55Z

Snood Trunion: Capitalization.

Much in the tradition of your favorite "Let's destroy all evidence of the past in order to reshape it as we see fit" storybook, [[King Harandraff the Great]] enacted what we like to call the '''Absolute Erasure''' to do just that. That is, to destroy all evidence of the past in order to reshape it as he saw fit.

It began innocently enough. While sitting in his grand throne, having just beheaded his top advisor, the idea struck the [[King Harandraff the Great|King]] like so many [[Aelfants]] charging: he would simply rewrite his journals and his castle's rosters to exclude any mention of him ever ''having'' a "top" advisor. The King found the exertion of his power over himself and his court quite exhilirating. And thus it began, with him executing one of his staff, and tasking the remaining servants to erase him from existence. Soon it became an addiction, and the great King of all Ghyll began stretching his reach outside his castle.

In one instance, he removed the drawbridge in front of his castle and replaced it with a canopy to shade the creatures of his moat. And the very next day, nobody who had previously knew about the drawbridge knew about it anymore, or else they were beheaded. And anyone who knew those certain beheadees was also told to not know about them, lest they find themselves headless also. Needless to say, [[King Harandraff the Great|Harandraff]] had a remarkable number of people killed in order to prevent anyone from knowing that they were killed.

It was around the first days of year -397 [[EC]] that [[King Harandraff the Great|Harandraff's]] plan began spiraling out of control. [[Bute University]], having been founded three years earlier, was becoming ever more of a threat to the King's hobby of rewriting history. By this time, the King had written his family to be the wealthiest, most prominent, strongest, smartest and, overall, the superlative family of Ghyll proper. Knowing that this was not true, and jumping at the chance to provoke the King, Bute U. published ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too'', outing the King's brethren as slovenly drunkards, as rightfully they were. So the King infamously appointed [[Exis of Whunn|Exis Ehnos]] of [[Whunn]] to head an Army that would march to Bute and give them "a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on (their) wrists." This siege of Bute University and its surrounding town would last six months, and erupt the whole of Ghyll proper into a Civil War lasting many years hence.

Impatient with the progression of his armies' attacks on [[Bute University|Bute]] and it's accompanying forces, the [[King Harandraff the Great|King]] exiled [[Exis of Whunn|Exis Ehnos]], and set off on his own in the year -392 [[EC]] to right the wrongs done by the university. However, finding that he could not repair his family's reputation, he sought the only logical conclusion: he would have to kill them all and erase them from history. And thus, he did. He killed them all.

Widespread reporting of the decimation of the [[King Harandraff the Great|Harandraff]] lineage would come to be the final proverbial wrench in the spokes of the clockwork (or however that insipid saying goes), thusly preventing King H. from fully erasing his family. So with his armies' final energies, Harandraff set out to kill absolutely everyone in Ghyll, in order to rewrite the whole of Ghyll history. This is what most scholars would deem the meat and potatoes of the Absolute Erasure. Unfortunately, his plan was derailed when he accidentally ran head-first into the blade of an [[unknown soldier]] and, as a result, subsequently went dead, or missing, or both.

'''Citations''': [[King Harandraff the Great]], [[Whunn]], [[Unknown soldier]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 02:11, 2 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:Events]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-30T17:22:46Z

Snood Trunion: /* His Reign */ Adding dates.

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish one good thing at all.

Unbeknownst to many, during the King's reign the whole of Ghyll proper was becoming polluted with propaganda proclaiming the perpetuality of the Harandraff lineage. The infamous quote goes, "Always were here, Always will be here." It is said that this slogan could be seen up on the side of every building, and broadcasted on bulletin boards from [[Folktown]] to the early [[Iganefta|Iganeftan Settlements]]. Harandraff's influence was legendary, and the power he wielded over our world was tangible, coming to a head at the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]], founded by a group of individuals who were, quite succinctly, fed up with the King and his version of history. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving intoxicating drinks and jumping off of walls... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

A bit of knowledge that many scholars tend to over look is that Harandraff actually began his plans for erasing history in the early years of his rule over Ghyll. It wasn't until the Civil War began, and Harandraff's castle was seized, that news of his plans for the history (and rehistory) of Ghyll were unearthed. And when everyone learned of how he killed his own family tree in -392 [[EC]] so that he could have them rewritten as martyrs, well then, the shit hitteth the fan. At that point, the only thing the King could do was set out to kill everyone in Ghyll. And in the process, he was impaled on an [[unknown soldier|unknown soldier's]] blade.

When he was found dead in -390 [[EC]], by a member of the army of [[Bute University|Bute]], it is rumoured that they, and the rest of Ghyll perhaps, conspired to have ''him'' erased from Ghyll history, along with any evidence of the Civil War and the [[Absolute Erasure]]. But this is simply nonsense, for how now do we even know about the Harandraff lineage, but from official records marked with the seal of Bute University? Of course, the University would have every reason, along with immeasurable power, to recreate Harandraff in the image that they see fit. But alas, it is not of me to speculate.

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-30T17:19:16Z

Snood Trunion: /* His Reign */ Changing Chump Town back to Folktown.

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish one good thing at all.

Unbeknownst to many, during the King's reign the whole of Ghyll proper was becoming polluted with propaganda proclaiming the perpetuality of the Harandraff lineage. The infamous quote goes, "Always were here, Always will be here." It is said that this slogan could be seen up on the side of every building, and broadcasted on bulletin boards from [[Folktown]] to the early [[Iganefta|Iganeftan Settlements]]. Harandraff's influence was legendary, and the power he wielded over our world was tangible, coming to a head at the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]], founded by a group of individuals who were, quite succinctly, fed up with the King and his version of history. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving intoxicating drinks and jumping off of walls... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

A bit of knowledge that many scholars tend to over look is that Harandraff actually began his plans for erasing history in the early years of his rule over Ghyll. It wasn't until the Civil War began, and Harandraff's castle was seized, that news of his plans for the history (and rehistory) of Ghyll were unearthed. And when everyone learned of how he killed his own family tree so that he could have them rewritten as martyrs, well then, the shit hitteth the fan. At that point, the only thing the King could do was set out to kill everyone in Ghyll. And in the process, he was impaled on an [[unknown soldier|unknown soldier's]] blade.

When he was found dead, by a member of the army of [[Bute University|Bute]], it is rumoured that they, and the rest of Ghyll perhaps, conspired to have ''him'' erased from Ghyll history, along with any evidence of the Civil War and the [[Absolute Erasure]]. But this is simply nonsense, for how now do we even know about the Harandraff lineage, but from official records marked with the seal of Bute University? Of course, the University would have every reason, along with immeasurable power, to recreate Harandraff in the image that they see fit. But alas, it is not of me to speculate.

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-30T17:02:49Z

Snood Trunion: /* His Reign */ Changing innumerable to immeasurable.

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish one good thing at all.

Unbeknownst to many, during the King's reign the whole of Ghyll proper was becoming polluted with propaganda proclaiming the perpetuality of the Harandraff lineage. The infamous quote goes, "Always were here, Always will be here." It is said that this slogan could be seen up on the side of every building, and broadcasted on bulletin boards from [[Folktown|Chump Town]] to the early [[Iganefta|Iganeftan Settlements]]. Harandraff's influence was legendary, and the power he wielded over our world was tangible, coming to a head at the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]], founded by a group of individuals who were, quite succinctly, fed up with the King and his version of history. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving intoxicating drinks and jumping off of walls... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

A bit of knowledge that many scholars tend to over look is that Harandraff actually began his plans for erasing history in the early years of his rule over Ghyll. It wasn't until the Civil War began, and Harandraff's castle was seized, that news of his plans for the history (and rehistory) of Ghyll were unearthed. And when everyone learned of how he killed his own family tree so that he could have them rewritten as martyrs, well then, the shit hitteth the fan. At that point, the only thing the King could do was set out to kill everyone in Ghyll. And in the process, he was impaled on an [[unknown soldier|unknown soldier's]] blade.

When he was found dead, by a member of the army of [[Bute University|Bute]], it is rumoured that they, and the rest of Ghyll perhaps, conspired to have ''him'' erased from Ghyll history, along with any evidence of the Civil War and the [[Absolute Erasure]]. But this is simply nonsense, for how now do we even know about the Harandraff lineage, but from official records marked with the seal of Bute University? Of course, the University would have every reason, along with immeasurable power, to recreate Harandraff in the image that they see fit. But alas, it is not of me to speculate.

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-29T03:43:19Z

Snood Trunion: /* His Reign */

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish one good thing at all.

Unbeknownst to many, during the King's reign the whole of Ghyll proper was becoming polluted with propaganda proclaiming the perpetuality of the Harandraff lineage. The infamous quote goes, "Always were here, Always will be here." It is said that this slogan could be seen up on the side of every building, and broadcasted on bulletin boards from [[Folktown|Chump Town]] to the early [[Iganefta|Iganeftan Settlements]]. Harandraff's influence was legendary, and the power he wielded over our world was tangible, coming to a head at the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]], founded by a group of individuals who were, quite succinctly, fed up with the King and his version of history. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving intoxicating drinks and jumping off of walls... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

A bit of knowledge that many scholars tend to over look is that Harandraff actually began his plans for erasing history in the early years of his rule over Ghyll. It wasn't until the Civil War began, and Harandraff's castle was seized, that news of his plans for the history (and rehistory) of Ghyll were unearthed. And when everyone learned of how he killed his own family tree so that he could have them rewritten as martyrs, well then, the shit hitteth the fan. At that point, the only thing the King could do was set out to kill everyone in Ghyll. And in the process, he was impaled on an [[unknown soldier|unknown soldier's]] blade.

When he was found dead, by a member of the army of [[Bute University|Bute]], it is rumoured that they, and the rest of Ghyll perhaps, conspired to have ''him'' erased from Ghyll history, along with any evidence of the Civil War and the [[Absolute Erasure]]. But this is simply nonsense, for how now do we even know about the Harandraff lineage, but from official records marked with the seal of Bute University? Of course, the University would have every reason, along with innumerable power, to recreate Harandraff in the image that they see fit. But alas, it is not of me to speculate.

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-29T02:09:20Z

Snood Trunion: /* His Reign */

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish a thing at all before about -400 [[EC]]. In fact, most of Ghylliankind didn't even know that a successor to the throne had been named. Thusly, the ignorant masses went along with all the lies and half-truths they were fed in the years up to the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]]. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving drinks and things... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

A bit of knowledge that many scholars tend to over look is that Harandraff actually began his plans for erasing history in the early years of his rule over Ghyll. It wasn't until the Civil War began, and Harandraff's castle was seized, that news of his plans for the history (and rehistory) of Ghyll were unearthed. And when everyone learned of how he killed his own family tree so that he could have them rewritten as martyrs, well then, the shit hitteth the fan. At that point, the only thing the King could do was set out to kill everyone in Ghyll. And in the process, he was impaled on an [[unknown soldier|unknown soldier's]] blade.

When he was found dead, by a member of the army of [[Bute University|Bute]], it is rumoured that they, and the rest of Ghyll perhaps, conspired to have ''him'' erased from Ghyll history, along with any evidence of the Civil War and the [[Absolute Erasure]]. But this is simply nonsense, for how now do we even know about the Harandraff lineage, but from official records marked with the seal of Bute University?

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-29T02:08:46Z

Snood Trunion: /* Persistent Rumours */

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish a thing at all before about -400 [[EC]]. In fact, most of Ghylliankind didn't even know that a successor to the throne had been named. Thusly, the ignorant masses went along with all the lies and half-truths they were fed in the years up to the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]]. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving drinks and things... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

A bit of knowledge that many scholars tend to over look is that Harandraff actually began his plans for erasing history in the early years of his rule over Ghyll. It wasn't until the Civil War began, and Harandraff's castle was seized, that news of his plans for the history (and rehistory) of Ghyll were unearthed. And when everyone learned of how he killed his own family tree so that he could have them rewritten as martyrs, well then, the shit hitteth the fan. At that point, the only thing the King could do was set out to kill everyone in Ghyll. And in the process, he was impaled on an [[unknown soldier|unknown soldier's]] blade.

When he was found dead, by a member of the army of [[Bute University|Bute]], it is rumored that they, and the rest of Ghyll perhaps, conspired to have ''him'' erased from Ghyll history, along with any evidence of the Civil War and the [[Absolute Erasure]]. But this is simply nonsense, for how now do we even know about the Harandraff lineage, but from official records marked with the seal of Bute University?

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-29T02:08:16Z

Snood Trunion: /* Persistent Rumours */

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish a thing at all before about -400 [[EC]]. In fact, most of Ghylliankind didn't even know that a successor to the throne had been named. Thusly, the ignorant masses went along with all the lies and half-truths they were fed in the years up to the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]]. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving drinks and things... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

A bit of knowledge that many scholars tend to over look is that Harandraff actually began his plans for erasing history in the early years of his rule over Ghyll. It wasn't until the Civil War began, and Harandraff's castle was seized, that news of his plans for the history (and rehistory) of Ghyll were unearthed. And when everyone learned of how he killed his own family tree so that he could have them rewritten as martyrs, well then, the shit hitteth the fan. At that point, the only thing the King could do was set out to kill everyone in Ghyll. And in the process, he was impaled on an [[unknown soldier|unknown soldier's]] blade.

When he was found dead, by a member of the army of [[Bute University|Bute]], it is rumored that they, and the rest of Ghyll perhaps, conspired to have ''him'' erased from Ghyll history, along with any evidence of the Civil War and the [[Absolute Erasure]]. But this is simply nonsense, for how now do we even know about the Harandraff lineage, but from official records marked with the seal of Bute University?

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy|AIST]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-29T02:06:18Z

Snood Trunion: /* His Reign */

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish a thing at all before about -400 [[EC]]. In fact, most of Ghylliankind didn't even know that a successor to the throne had been named. Thusly, the ignorant masses went along with all the lies and half-truths they were fed in the years up to the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]]. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving drinks and things... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

A bit of knowledge that many scholars tend to over look is that Harandraff actually began his plans for erasing history in the early years of his rule over Ghyll. It wasn't until the Civil War began, and Harandraff's castle was seized, that news of his plans for the history (and rehistory) of Ghyll were unearthed. And when everyone learned of how he killed his own family tree so that he could have them rewritten as martyrs, well then, the shit hitteth the fan. At that point, the only thing the King could do was set out to kill everyone in Ghyll. And in the process, he was impaled on an [[unknown soldier|unknown soldier's]] blade.

When he was found dead, by a member of the army of [[Bute University|Bute]], it is rumored that they, and the rest of Ghyll perhaps, conspired to have ''him'' erased from Ghyll history, along with any evidence of the Civil War and the [[Absolute Erasure]]. But this is simply nonsense, for how now do we even know about the Harandraff lineage, but from official records marked with the seal of Bute University?

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University|Bute]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy|AIST]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-29T02:01:52Z

Snood Trunion: /* His Reign */

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish a thing at all before about -400 [[EC]]. In fact, most of Ghylliankind didn't even know that a successor to the throne had been named. Thusly, the ignorant masses went along with all the lies and half-truths they were fed in the years up to the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]]. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving drinks and things... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

A bit of knowledge that many scholars tend to over look is that Harandraff actually began his plans for erasing history in the early years of his rule over Ghyll. It wasn't until the Civil War began, and Harandraff's castle was seized, that news of his plans for the history (and rehistory) of Ghyll were unearthed. And when everyone learned of how he killed his own family tree so that he could have them rewritten as martyrs, well then, the shit hitteth the fan. At that point, the only thing the King could do was set out to kill everyone in Ghyll. And in the process, he was impaled on an [[unknown soldier|unknown soldier's]] blade.

When he was found dead, by a member of the army of [[Bute University|Bute]], it is rumored that Bute, and the rest of Ghyll perhaps, conspired to have ''him'' erased from Ghyll history, along with any evidence of the Civil War and the [[Absolute Erasure]]. But this is simply nonsense, for how now do we even know about the Harandraff lineage, but from official records marked with the seal of Bute University?

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University|Bute]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy|AIST]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-11-26T06:03:38Z

Snood Trunion: /* Should there be a Round 3? */

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-11-26T05:51:07Z

Snood Trunion: /* Revise rules for dibs */ Linking.

Ghyll:Round 3 discussion

2005-11-26T05:49:27Z

Snood Trunion: /* Writing phantoms first is no longer required */

Ghyll talk:Zavinian House

2005-11-26T05:33:47Z

Snood Trunion:

The Iganeftan family didn't exist back in -2000 [[EC]]. Records of the "City of Settlements", now Iganefta, go back as far as -400 only (back then, it was known as the "Old City"), and even then, the history is shady (according to [[Iganefta]]). It is quite unlikely that there'd be any, even remotely possible, evidence of the Iganefta family from way back in -2000 EC. It'd be about equivalent to saying that this year's Toyota was "rumored" to have been based on designs from -10 B.C., equally preposterous. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 23:32, 22 November 2005 (EST)

:In hindsight, I'll let it stand. There's enough ambiguity to allow the Iganefta family having been around a long long time before actually rising to any sort of "power" in -400 [[EC]] with their own Settlement. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 23:48, 22 November 2005 (EST)

::That's the thing with writing about the period before about -500 [[EC]]: it's ''all'' ambiguous, if you want to think of it that way. I don't want to exert a power trip, but when I wrote of the [[Absolute Erasure]], it seems to have called attention to the fact that a lot of what we know about the years before [[King Harandraff the Great|Harandraff's]] reign might have been recreated by the King, and a lot of things might have happened that were lost to the Erasure. And even if the King had done no such thing, there certainly aren't any 2100-year-old scholars in Ghyll. That I know of. And I hope you're not just letting my version of Iganeftan history stand just because of [[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos']] revision of the Iganefta article. Then I'd think you were paying me special attention.

::Oh yes, and Happiest Thanksgiving to you, Morbus. --[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 00:33, 26 November 2005 (EST)

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-25T17:31:56Z

Snood Trunion: /* Persistent Rumours */

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish a thing at all before about -400 [[EC]]. In fact, most of Ghylliankind didn't even know that a successor to the throne had been named. Thusly, the ignorant masses went along with all the lies and half-truths they were fed in the years up to the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]]. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving drinks and things... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of actual knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University|Bute]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy|AIST]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:King Harandraff the Great

2005-11-25T17:28:55Z

Snood Trunion: /* His Early Years */

__TOC__

==Introduction==

Quoted from one [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] at 02:27, 23 Nov 2004 (EST):

<blockquote>"Imagine a great hall. Really fucking huge. You're walking down it, and there's a table at the end. At the end of the table is a person seated. You walk up to that person, slowly--tap tap tap go your feet on the marbly kinda floor (careful you don't slip). Lalala, you sing, to try to relieve some of the tension. Hey, he's got a crown on his head, so probably a King of some kind. You get to the King, and he throws a flaggon of wine all over you with a yo ho ho and a bottle of rum thrown into the bargain. You are in the presence of KING HARANDRAFF, you lubberly ass-scum!</blockquote>

<blockquote>"King Harandraff was a bit of a git, really. The ruler of all Ghyll around -400 [[EC]], he suppressed all other histories but his own, and was opposed to any form of scholarly activity. If you even wanted to read his History you had to apply for a special permit, which was usually given in the form of a sword in the gut.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"Contrariwise, as [[Alarius]] notes, Harandraff pretty much mellowed the fuck out when he got older, mainly because of his castle changing around him from day to day. He didn't found [[Bute University|Bute]] as is sometimes thought, but he was fairly amenable to not stabbing its faculty at random by the end of his reign.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"But well, he lived around -400 [[EC]], so obviously we don't know [[Splak|splak]] about the dude, and all of this is probably just hearsay. Some reports say that he was most likely a beautiful woman forced to drag up at the behest of the courtiers, and that all this nonsense about him being a assholistic bastard was invented way later on.</blockquote>

<blockquote>"At the end of his reign, as Ghyll's only united king, he was pronounced to be the greatest ghyllian that ever did walk on this fair and pheasanted land. His gallstones are now on display in the great foyer of the [[Odlucian Library]]."</blockquote>

The previous few paragraphs, which encompass one scholar's summation of King Harandraff, and which were taken from an early revision of this very encyclopedia, are now generally considered to be completely false and untrue and many feel that to print something such as that in a proper encyclopedia is a travesty and does modern history a great disservice. But hey, he didn't know. Blame it on the [[Absolute Erasure]].

==His Early Years==

The King was begotten at any point in time between the beginning of existence and -482 [[EC]], depending on who you ask. In any case, his early years were somewhat of a quiet time for the young monarch-to-be, and undocumented by history. That, or all mention of the King having had a childhood, and having been ''born'' at all, and not simply having existed since the beginning of measurable time, was lost in the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. But, more on that later.

Anyway, it was around -440 [[EC]] when the King finally got it in his head that he wanted to be King. So he assassinated the current King. His name and length of reign escape even our best scholars and encyclopedants to this day. This also is attributed to the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]. We do know that he was killed by Harandraff, however, because that was one thing King H. chose not to erase from history. In fact, the blade Harandraff used to carry out the deed, a forerunner of the "modern" [[Horreld blade]], is still prominently on display in the Harandraff House, still coated with the former king's dried blood.

==His Reign==

Harandraff's supporters would have you know that the man did many glorious things for Ghyll during his reign. Things like lowering taxes, putting more money into schools, balancing the budget and cutting the deficit. Truthfully, the King really didn't accomplish a thing at all before about -400 [[EC]]. In fact, most of Ghylliankind didn't even know that a successor to the throne had been named. Thusly, the ignorant masses went along with all the lies and half-truths they were fed in the years up to the turn of the century.

It was at this time, however, that somebody, or some bodies, decided to stand up to Harandraff's recklessness. That somebody... erm... those some bodies... were [[Bute University]]. Having been established in -400 [[EC]], there was only so much that they could do. So they spent three years devising a plan to make the King look bad to all Ghyll. Then, in -397 [[EC]], their plan was set in motion. A book was published, credited to the university, entitled ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''. The book basically slandered the King and his entire lineage. So, he raised an army and had them march on Bute, where they found the gates were closed, and then some things happened involving drinks and things... it's all in the best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance. Anyway, then the whole kingdom was thrown into Civil War, and the King tried to get out of his mistakes by erasing them from history; thusly, the [[Absolute Erasure]] was underway. It ended with every member of the Harandraff lineage dead, including the King himself. So there's that.

==Persistent Rumours==

Not surprisingly, considering the amount of knowledge that was lost during his reign, plenty of rumours abound about the life of the late King of All Ghyll. Some of the more interesting ones are listed here, for you to point and stare.

* Rumoured to have founded [[Bute University|Bute]]. This rumour has been disregarded by most Ghyllian scholars as a falsification of history in conjunction with the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]].
* Apparently created a wine from half-rotten [[Zhur Fruit]].
* Rumoured to have had insidious connections to [[Harrabloon Bank]], to the extent that, when he was found dead, his pockets contained about 15,000 [[Quezlarian Ooo|ooos]] and an official note, signed by [[Olaff Devork]]. The fact that the bank did not exist until two hundred years after Harandraff's death does nothing to dispel this rumour.
* One popular tale involves Harandraff having a [[Lightning Gun]] crafted from obsidian and the purest silver, because he liked shiny things.
* During his reign, it is widely believed that the [[Aminfarances Institute of Science and Technomancy|AIST]] went underground in order to avoid angering the King.
* By his fiercest followers, he is believed to have been the Third Force in the [[Battle of Barnum Stones]]. Why the King would take an interest in the battle is anyone's guess; perhaps another facet of the [[Absolute Erasure|Erasure]]? And what of the fact that Harandraff may very well have either been dead, or predisposed with his attack on [[Bute University]] at the time of the Battle? Alas, it is not of me to speculate; I simply report the facts as I am told.

==Famous (or Infamous) Quotes==

<blockquote>'''On [[Speedish Chefs]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Intellectual men who consume whatever nourishment is necessary for their bodies with a kind of disdain, may be very rational and have a noble intelligence, but they are not men of taste."''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''On [[Zhur Fruit]]:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"Of sound mind, and sound carapace, I must profess that this is the most amazing fucking thing I've ever tasted (sic). Where can I get more?"''</blockquote>

<blockquote>'''To the inhabitants of [[Bute University|Bute]], in an attempt to coerce them to open the gate to the city:'''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''"We are agreed that my army will not hurt you too badly, but merely give you a stern talking-to and numerous slaps on your wrists. Please let us in? Pretty please?"''</blockquote>

==Other Reading==

* [[Bute University|Bute University's]] infamous publication ''King H. is a Ninny and So's His Family Too''.
* The best-selling book, ''A Guide to [[Boxing Day]]'' by Nicholas Happanstance.
* The famous anonymous work of fiction, ''What Would Have Happened If Someone Had Just Killed Him Sooner?''
* Certain issues of [[Aliens Everywhere]] have featured a column by "King Harandraff's Dead Ghost and the Ghost of your Mother's Mother's Mother."

'''Citations''': [[Bute University]], [[Odlucian Library]], [[Absolute Erasure]].

--[[User:Snood Trunion|Snood Trunion]] 10:42, 25 November 2005 (EST)

[[Category:People]]

Ghyll:Aliens Everywhere

2005-11-25T17:21:58Z

Snood Trunion:

'''Aliens Everywhere!''' magazine was established in -55 [[EC]] by [[Bobby Shwarmph]] in what he has been quoted as saying is an effort to "misinform the aliens and inform the people". However, no distinction has been made about what is misformation and what is useful information. This is not a problem for the magazine's readers, as they believe that the true content of the magazine can only be understood by someone of the Ghyllian races and who has been a subscriber for five years or more.

==Publication==
Aliens Everywhere! is a widely read publication, enjoying a readership of 100,000 subscribers and 300,000 "bloody leeches" who read it on the newsstand. It is published weekly, on shepskin paper, in tabloid format. All copies are delivered personally by a short, balding, funny looking, limping man named Gippie who has been the magazine's only distributor since its establishment.

==History==
Aliens Everywhere! has played a vital role in exposing aliens and alien activity. In its first issue, subtitled "Don't read this.", it made journalism history by naming the homeworld of all aliens, namely the hollow center of Ghyll named [[Down There]]. In another groundbreaking story, Aliens Everywhere! forced the [[Paramount Queen]] of -7 [[EC]] to step down after showing conclusive proof in photographic format that she was, in fact, from [[Down There]] and only taking the shape of someone [[Xurient|Xuriental]]. Not being of a race acceptable (e.g. unknown) to the contest, she had to step down.

==Famous Personalites==
Many famous personalities have once worked at Aliens Everywhere!, most notably its founder and editor, [[Bobby Shwarmph]], who hasn't been seen since -4 [[EC]]. Another famous personality is the [[Daydream Believer]], who is the double-headed star reporter known for talking in the third person and sometimes reponding to his own questions. Yet another is his second head, known as Head Deux, who owns his own small publication about juggling small animals, called appropriately enough, Juggling Small Animals.

'''Citations''': [[Bobby Shwarmph]], [[Daydream Believer]], [[Down There]].

--[[User:Tobaine|Tobaine]] 23:11, 13 May 2005 (EDT)

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I must object to the line about the [[Paramount Queen]] of -7 [[EC]]. She is clearly said to have been [[Xurient|Xuriental]]. It was her being covered in [[User:Morbus Iff|brown fluid]] that so shocked public opinion, not your story. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 14:31, 17 May 2005 (EDT)

:If we establish that you are a book seller, and then I run up and cover you in creame pie, take a picture, and say you're a baker to "prove" my article in Aliens Everywhere!, that doesn't make you a baker - it merely makes rationale for my delusional rantings in article form (a tactic certainly use in some of our more illustrious Encyclopedia submissions, I'd think). Alternatively, if she was born in the [[Xurient]] of [[Down There]] parents, she'd be "from" both. You had to admit, though, if the [[User:Morbus Iff|brown fluid]] is from [[Down There]], and a person was found covered in it, it doesn't take a lot of conspiratorial leaps to put one and one together to write an article scandalous enough to make her lose the crown. Of course, that's not the case with me. I'm no alien. Stop staring. Seriously. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:39, 17 May 2005 (EDT)

While we are discussing this magazine, I must put in a complaint. I have been subscribed to this magazine and I have not yet received any issues of it. Is this a fictional magazine, of which I have been 'duped', as they say? And being covered in creame pie *can* make a person into a baker, at least for the time during which they are covered in said creame pie, since being covered in said creame pie would tend to make one get a little upset and cook the creame pie filling, due to the excess heat released from the body while the covered person is covered with said creame pie. --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 00:09, 23 May 2005 (EDT)

:That doesn't make you a baker, that makes you an oven. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 17:41, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Ghyll:Ellensworth

2005-11-25T17:11:44Z

Snood Trunion:

'''Ellensworth''' is a quaint little town living in the shadow of Pelon Peak inside the [[Andelphracian River Valley]]. It is mainly known for three things: its near-destruction in -20 [[EC]] by the normally sleepy and friendly mountain, the fact that it has the largest production of [[gruff fiction]] in all of Ghyll, and its specially distinctive food. Otherwise, it is pretty unremarkable.

Most travelers come to Ellensworth to take a short vacation and rest, as there is little else to do. However, there is an annual festival to commemorate the death of the fallen individuals from the eruption of -20 [[EC]], which is also used as a ward to prevent any similar event happening in the future.

All of the houses in town are on the banks of the Andelphracian River, creating a spectacular variety of water transports and delighting any present onlookers. Most houses are made from wood, but some owners have ingeniously used the stone found in the river and lava rocks from the nearby Pelon Peak. It is worthwhile to take a quiet stroll through the city and admire the local buildings. The 'Water Street' tour gives a good grasp of the aesthetic values of the local designers.

As there is no fertile ground in the valley, folks have resorted to eating all the even slightly edible items found in the river. This has created a unique cuisine, well-known in all of Ghyll, as there are myriads of weeds, plants and animals. But the river also contains the [[mineral ingredients]] which are mainly responsible for the rich and salty taste of the food. The daily collection of food from the river is quite spectacular, and eager travelers can even help the locals collect the famous [[mineral ingredients|ingredients]] if they are strong enough to swim in the strong current.

The giant building containing the 'Record of All [[Gruff fiction|Gruff Fiction]]' should not be missed by book-lovers, as there are thousands and thousands of titles that can be consulted in the library, as well as a bookstore to buy old and new classics.

'''Citations''': [[Andelphracian River Valley]], [[Gruff fiction]], [[Mineral ingredients]].

--[[User:Mr. Stokes|Mr. Stokes]] 00:00, 18 Jun 2005 (EDT)

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