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Ghyll:Round 2 discussion

2005-05-16T15:31:07Z

Finna Sunderhorn: Unfortunate, not enough time this week.

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Round 2 begins May 14th. We are currently in '''mad-edit''' play, per the "Allow a two week period between rounds" section below. In short, everyone may edit or revise any entry, under the restriction that NO NEW FACTS WILL BE ADDED, merely clarifications and improvements. The Encyclopedants have started [[Encyclopedants Progress Report 26]] for scholars (and players) to leave their final End of Round 1 thoughts.

==Do you plan on playing regularly in Round 2?==
Yes. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:42, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Ditto. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 16:05, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Of course. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 02:32, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Unfortunately, no. The divorce and job change have created too much chaos in my life. I'll finish this round, but I cannot say when I'll be able to return. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 10:00, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)

:Sorry to hear that, Doctor Crank. You'll be missed. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 10:16, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)

::Sniff, sniff. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:28, 16 Apr 2005 (E

New player, I'll be here! Just like to make it known that from May 14 (start of Round 2) til May 20 (or so) I will more than likely be away from any internet access, so I will likely ''not'' have an entry for A for Round 2. --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 17:09, 16 Apr 2005 (CST)

I'm new but I definitely want to be in on the next round. --[[User:xfalselogicx|Jonathon Howard]] 18:09, 20 Apr 2005

I'm in for most of it, seeing as I'll be out of school then. Wish me luck on the job hunt though. --[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:16, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

I'd like to play, though I'm not sure I can commit to every turn. But I'd like to express interest. New user. --[[User:Lisa B. Underhalh|Lisa B. Underhalh]] 18:10, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

I would love to participate! --[[User:Finna Sunderhorn|Finna Sunderhorn]] 20:57, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

One would dearly love to write as much as possible in the upcoming round, yet the uncertainty concerning my future internet access prevents me from making any binding promises. I can, however, truthfully state that if circumstances allow I will most assuredly be a regular contributor. --[[User:Lankin|Lankin the Mad Mage]] 10:07, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Yes, new user. --[[User:Ahpsp|Ahpsp]] 10:45, 22 Apr 2005 (EDT)

I'll be happy to join. New user. --[[User:Dfaran L'Eniarc|Dfaran L'Eniarc]] 01:32, 24 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Yes, I am very interested in playing this round. Life gets progressively more full, and I can't promise to play every week. But I miss playing Bindlet Ball, and want to know who killed Supetupheraraphes --[[User:DrBacchus|DrBacchus]] 11:15, 24 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Yes, I'm new here. I have become very intrigued about this world, and I hope that I am able to produce interesting entries for round 2. In the meantime, I'll try to read as many entries as possible! --[[User:Mr. Stokes|Mr. Stokes]] 14:59, 24 Apr 2005 (EDT)

I would also like to join. It's quite a unique idea. --[[User:Ellidyr|Ellidyr]] 19:26, 24 Apr 2005 (EDT)

I'm game for Round 2, I've got a lil' over 14 days to read up! --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 27 Apr 2005

I may be playing for an unknown amount of time during some point in the near or far future of this game. --[[User:d8uv|Somebody]] 18:46, 28 Apr 2005 (EDT)

This is incredibly cool. I'm going to join up in May, and try not to butcher the wiki too badly. --[[User:Snafu Bohica|Snafu Bohica]] 13:03, 29 Apr 2005 (EDT)

This sounds incredible. I will join in May, and hope that my articles will be acceptable.
--[[User:Cauship|Cauship]] 10:47, 3 May 2005 (EDT)

Wow, I'd really like to contribute to this, or at least watch it develop. Hopefully I'll have read up on all the current articles by the time the next round starts. Is there a way to submit drafts of articles for proofreading/suggestions before they become official entries? --[[User:Rufian|Rufian]] 02:56, 3 May 2005 (EDT)

:Generally speaking, yes. Your article isn't "truly" submitted until the end of the turn. So, you could write a first draft on Monday, post it on the site, think about it on Tuesday, come back and edit it on Wednesday, finalize it Thursday, and then plead for a review. I also do a copyediting phase of the previous turn every Monday morning, and I'll usually catch errors then too and write about them in the "Discussion" page of the article itself. These errors are usually pretty small, so there's no problem with retroactively fixing them (or planning to explain them away in a future entry). --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 09:01, 3 May 2005 (EDT)

::I just wanted to make sure I have the correct understanding of procedues before Round 2 begins. On Saturday 14 May, I can submit an 'A' article. Being the 'A' turn, it doesn't have to be a pre-existing phantom. The turn finishes on the following Friday, by which time I have to have completed and finalised my 'A' entry. --[[User:Urik Orr|Urik Orr]] 04:00, 4 May 2005 (EDT)

::Urik: correct. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 12:02, 13 May 2005 (EDT)

:::Does that necessarily mean that if it's not an 'A' turn, the entry has to be a pre-existing phantom? --[[User:Rufian|Rufian]] 18:10, 5 May 2005 (EDT)

:::I think, though I am as new as you, that Rule #4 (on the ''Main Page'') answers your question, ie. ''After the first turn, all phantoms for a letter shall be written before new entries are created''. If I read this correctly, once Turn 'B' starts we are limited to defining only already existing phantoms, unless and until they are all dibbed out. This is my reading of the rule, if I am wrong, some of you in the know jump in. --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 19:45, 5 May 2005 (EDT)

::::Correct. Except for A, all phantoms MUST be defined before any new entries can be. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 12:02, 13 May 2005 (EDT)

::The dates are confusing me, and it would be appreciated if someone could confirm that I'm understanding this correctly. I don't want to begin Round 2 by breaking rules. I have until the end of turn 1 (Friday 20 May) to upload an 'A' entry. On Saturday 21 May, turn 2 begins and I dib a 'B' phantom. I then have until Friday 27 May to write my 'B' entry (which contains two new phantoms). The following day turn 3 begins and I dib a 'C' phantom. And so on. Have I assumed correctly? --[[User:Urik Orr|Urik Orr]] 23:02, 5 May 2005 (EDT)

:::For the most part, yes. Your B entry (and onward), however, has to contain a citation to an existing entry (that you did not write, create, or phantom), AND two phantoms (that you did not create). Only one of those phantoms can be brand new (this "only one can be new" restriction is a new addition for Round 2, created because we had an overabundance of undefined phantoms at the end of Round 1). But, your comments on timing are correct. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 12:02, 13 May 2005 (EDT)

I've just joined the group; looking forward to participating in an actively working wiki. Any suggestions for orienting ourselves for new participants (shorter than reading everything on the whole site)? --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 10:52, 3 May 2005 (EDT)

:Welp, hmm. You could read through the [[:Category:Encyclopedants|Encyclopedants]] pages to get a partial overview of the early rounds, as well as a global metaview of timelines, etc. But there's really no Overview or shortcut to Ghyll just yet. You could check out the [[Ghyll Index R1|Round 1 Spotlights]] too, to get an idea of what I considered the "best" entries for a particular turn. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 11:20, 3 May 2005 (EDT)

::Thank you. That helps get my research started. I found the [[WhereIsWhere|Ghyll Geography]] also to be useful. As a cloistered researcher with limited resources, I hope to concentrate on just a few topics of interest. --[[User:Brother Arfrus|Brother Arfrus]] 10:38, 4 May 2005 (EDT)

I have a couple of questions about the geography of Ghyll. The Geography sections clearly states that it's frozen and that no new areas can be added. Does this mean that we can't make ''any'' new places? Like towns and hamlets and such? Or is it only large features like mountains and countries which can't be added at this point? Where's the limit? Secondly, said section also states that the geography ''might'' get un-frozen in the second round. Any news on this? --[[User:Lankin|Lankin the Mad Mage]] 21:39, 6 May 2005 (EDT)

:I, too, have some questions about geography. I actually posted my questions on the FAQ page, but I would love an answer either on that page or on this one. --[[User:Nikos of Ant|Nikos of Ant]] 09:25, 7 May 2005 (EDT)

::Geography will be unfrozen for Round 2 (and I'll be updating that page shortly to reflect this). I would, however, like to state the blatantly understood: be kind. Don't create an entry that defines fifty new places. If you're gonna create a place, make sure it's in relation to something else (with measurements, if possible) such that it can actually go on the map (of course, if your entry hinges on the place being mysterious, lost, undiscoverable, destroyed, ruined, etc., you can skip this suggestion). Try to remain, to some degree, "local" - don't define a place that is way over on "the other side of the world", such that it creates a "pocket" of entries that don't easily (or reasonably) relate to the rest of known Ghyll. At this point, the [[Xurient]] is the farthest away from known Ghyll, but there's plenty of "local" unexplored regions to the north (the [[Sarfelogian_Mountains]]), south (the [[Cactus forests]]), west (the distance between [[Mount Yurch]]) and east (the distance between the [[Xurient]].) --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 12:02, 13 May 2005 (EDT)

Due to finals week, I will not be able to contribute anything for the letter A. Hopefully, I will be able to contribute next week.--[[User:Finna Sunderhorn|Finna Sunderhorn]] 11:31, 16 May 2005 (EDT)

==Between Rounds==

A few people have noticed the natural tendency of a Lexicon to have its earliest entries "outdated" by the time you get into the mid- or end- game. For instance, we know a bit more about [[Ghyllian reproduction]], a little more about ''this'', and a lot more about ''that''. An in-game solution proposed by [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] seemed to also be plausible out of game. Basically, since Round 1 is a "formalized" attempt by the Encyclopedants to create an Encyclopedia, Round 1 could be considered a "First Edition Draft" of the Encyclopedia. Round 2, on the other hand, would be a "Second Edition Draft" and so on. Thus, the time between Round 1 and Round 2 would be used to edit, fix and enhance any and all previous entries.

===Allow a two week period between rounds===
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.
* Finish up any discussions on this page.
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.

===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===
* One edit per turn to ANY entry, in addition to regular round rules.
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.

==Rule Changes==

===Of your two phantom citations, only one can be new===

This is important to keep down the proliferation of phantoms;
 at the end of Round 1, we have almost as many phantoms as articles.

===Rule of A: Scholars may always write new, non-phantom, turn A entries===

The goal is to ensure that every round has a "fresh start" with new branches of story. By not requiring a phantom to be defined for letter 'A' (regardless of leftover phantoms from previous rounds), we're always "starting" fresh with new, as opposed to already established, content. Of course, Truth from previous rounds must still be accepted as such, and existing 'A' phantoms may be dibbed if a player so decides.

:So, in other words, if we are starting a new Round and there are 5 phantoms for A but I don't like any of those phantoms, I can create a new entry for A and start from there? Or would this apply to any turn in a round in which there are no phantoms in existance for that turn? No C phantoms on turn 3, for example. --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 01:10, 25 Apr 2005 (EDT)

::Yes, both. There is already a rule that, if there are no valid phantoms remaining for a letter, a scholar writes a brand new entry. This rule just gives turn A, and only turn A, more power than usual, solely because it is the start of a new Round. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 08:50, 25 Apr 2005 (EDT)

==Round 2 Themes==

The original Lexicon post suggests there should be a theme and goal to the entries being written. Since Ghyll, as a world, didn't exist, there was no theme to Round 1: it was ultimately "make a world". Scholarly consensus established that Round 2 will have no theme either, but the themes formerly proposed here have been transplanted to [[User:Morbus Iff/themes]].

[[Category: Encyclopedants]]

Ghyll:Zygotic Dermatosis

2005-05-14T16:32:27Z

Finna Sunderhorn: changed it's to its

Zygotastistic Dermatosis (or '''Zygotic Dermatosis''' for short) is the abrupt change of the skin on a creature from one substance (namely skin) into another. The new substance is determined by the means in which the creature obtained the zygotastistic dermatosis. One of the known ways in which a creature can obtain this illness is through the use of a [[snotgun]] loaded with an [[apollzygojustapyxie]] snot slug. Another possibility is for the creature simply to die.

Naturally, a creature's skin abruptly changing into another substance would be enough to kill said creature, but the illness also modifies the metabolism of the creature so that it can survive with its skin in the new form.

The first known case of zygotic dermatosis was in -128 [[EC]] when a cow was discovered with a skin composed of milk. Just how the skin was made to be composed of milk is not known at this time, but the cow lived for an additional year before finally dying. It is important to note that the cow's skin acted just as real milk should act: it soured in a few weeks time and dried into a crusty substance. The cow, still alive throughout this process, did not appear to be in any pain. It is theorized that the zygotic dermatosis was continuously changing the metabolism of the cow to live with its new skin, but there have been no studies done to verify this theory.

In -100/5/10 [[EC]], another case of zygotic dermatosis was studied wherein a person named [[Phyllis Creanie]] was found living as a mud puddle. The person was able to communicate normally and could consume food and drink, but was unable to move due to their volumistic nature. This further showed that the skin of the creature is the only organ which is physically changed by this illness.

The years between -100 [[EC]] and -20 [[EC]] allowed no new findings in regards to zygotic dermatosis; however, in -19 [[EC]], four unrelated instances were reported and subsequently silenced. There are no known records for these instances and no one seems to recall anything about them happening. The only information obtainable was a quip from a song written at that time:

<blockquote>
O! The joyous spring surrounds me 
As I sing with new-found bounty! 
My skin, once flesh, has formed anew 
And now my skin is sought by you. 
 
My skin is mine and mine it is 
And no one else shall have it! 
When I shall die in this years time 
Well, then you can have it. 
</blockquote>

The rest of the song could not be found and the author is unknown. It is also unknown whether the song might be referring to someone 'hunting' the author or if it's just a work of fiction based on someone having zygotic dermatosis.

'''Citations''': [[Apollzygojustapyxie]], [[Phyllis Creanie]], [[Snotgun]].

--[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 17:35, 16 Apr 2005 (CST)

[[Category:Phenomena]]

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Should anyone come across any more instances of this phenomenon, please do not hesitate to contact me. I have been in contact with some other scholars who have had some success with a temporary cure, of sorts. I implore you to also take the necessary precautions to not contract the illness, since the temporary cure may not always work. --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 03:28, 8 May 2005 (EDT)

Putting someone in a sack does not qualify as a cure, temporary or otherwise. --[[User:DrBacchus|DrBacchus]] 19:05, 12 May 2005 (EDT)

Well, I didn't come up with the cure. It is rather amusing to see it though, especially if the skin is, shall we say, not exactly solid. I do wonder how they managed to come up with this, unless it has to do with those four cases which were covered up and no one will talk about ... --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 02:53, 13 May 2005 (EDT)

Ghyll:Zot, The

2005-04-22T16:34:05Z

Finna Sunderhorn:

Originally developed as a form of silent protest to the [[Amphitheatre aristocracy]] in -34 EC, '''The Zot''' evolved into so much more. The Zot is a dance that can be done with or without music. A Zotter starts gyrating her hips slowly to an unkown beat while snaking her arms up into the air. After her arms ascend to a peak, she begins to stomp her feet to a beat as a signal for others to join in. Everyone around the primary dancer starts stamping their feet in time. Once symmetrical motion is achieved, the primary dancer accelerates the beat and starts to snake and weave like a grapevine moving up a trellis through the crowd of stamping people. As she moves, the dancer touches another person to initiate the "vine." That person leans toward someone else and begins moving until the primary dancer continues the growth by touching someone else. Once another person is touched, the two parts of the "vine" move and gyrate together, adding more and more people as time goes on.

Some blame the influence of [[Ged Nokaway]], a popular lyricist who kept urging citizens to dance The Zot faster and faster, for The Zot's side effects. The dance, said to have been borrowed from a small vineyard in [[Jorvyll]], is blamed for massive destruction of property and potentional orgies. If you ever see The Zot encouraged, it is recommended that you try to egress from whatever location you are presently at.

'''Citations:''' [[Amphitheatre aristocracy]], [[Ged Nokaway]], [[Jorvyll]]

--[[User:Finna Sunderhorn|Finna Sunderhorn]] 20:32, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Ghyll:Zot, The

2005-04-22T01:16:59Z

Finna Sunderhorn:

Originally developed as a form of silent protest to the [[Amphitheatre aristocracy]] in -34 EC, '''The Zot''' evolved into so much more. The Zot is a dance that can be done with or without music. A Zotter starts gyrating her hips slowly to an unkown beat while snaking her arms up into the air. After her arms ascend to a peak, she begins to stomp her feet to a beat as a signal for others to join in. Everyone around the primary dancer starts stamping their feet in time. Once symmetrical motion is achieved, the primary dancer accelerates the beat and starts to snake and weave like a grapevine moving up a trellis through the crowd of stamping people. As she moves, the dancer touches another person to initiate the "vine." That person leans toward someone else and begins moving until the primary dancer continues the growth by touching someone else. Once another person is touched, the two parts of the "vine" move and gyrate together, adding more and more people as time goes on.

Some blame the influence of [[Ged Nokaway]], a popular lyricist, who kept urging citizens to dance The Zot faster and faster, for The Zot's side effects. The dance, said to have been borrowed from a small vineyard in [[Jorvyll]], is blamed for massive destruction of property and potentional orgies. If you ever see The Zot encouraged, it is recommended that you try to egress from whatever location you are presently at.

'''Citations:''' [[Amphitheatre aristocracy]], [[Ged Nokaway]], [[Jorvyll]]

--[[User:Finna Sunderhorn|Finna Sunderhorn]] 20:32, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Ghyll:Round 2 discussion

2005-04-22T00:57:00Z

Finna Sunderhorn: /* Do you plan on playing regularly in Round 2? */

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This is a page for Ghyll players to discuss what changes, if any, should be made during Round 2, since the letter Z is not too far away. Before we get into those discussions, we'll talk about what the End of Round 1 ''means'', and what will happen during that interim period between its end and Round 2's beginning. Players get to vote on all this. If you don't vote, you cede to Morbus, and he'll confuse you.

==Do you plan on playing regularly in Round 2?==
Ultimately, we're looking for 5 to 10 regulars.

Yes. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 14:42, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT) 
Ditto. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 16:05, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT) 
Of course. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]] 02:32, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT) 
Unfortunately, no. The divorce and job change have created too much chaos in my life. I'll finish this round, but I cannot say when I'll be able to return. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 10:00, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)
: Sorry to hear that, Doctor Crank. You'll be missed. --[[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]
:: Sniff, sniff. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:28, 16 Apr 2005 (EDT)
New player, I'll be here! --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 17:09, 16 Apr 2005 (CST) 
I'm new but I definitly want to be in on the next round --[[User:xfalselogicx|Jonathon Howard]] 18:09, 20 Apr 2005 
I'm in for most of it, seeing as I'll be out of school then. Wish me luck on the job hunt though. --[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:16, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT) 
I'd like to play, though I'm not sure I can commit to every round. But I'd like to express interest. New user. --[[User:Lisa B. Underhalh|Lisa B. Underhalh]] 18:10, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)
: Well, since a 'round' consists of 26 'turns' I don't think you'll have any problems, really. :-D --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 20:45, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)
I would love to participate! --[[User:Finna Sunderhorn|Finna Sunderhorn]] 20:57, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

==Between Rounds==

A few people have noticed the natural tendency of a Lexicon to have its earliest entries "outdated" by the time you get into the mid- or end- game. For instance, we know a bit more about [[Ghyllian reproduction]], a little more about ''this'', and a lot more about ''that''. An in-game solution proposed by [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] seemed to also be plausible out of game. Basically, since Round 1 is a "formalized" attempt by the Encyclopedants to create an Encyclopedia, Round 1 could be considered a "First Edition Draft" of the Encyclopedia. Round 2, on the other hand, would be a "Second Edition Draft" and so on. Thus, the time between Round 1 and Round 2 would be used to edit, fix and enhance any and all previous entries.

===Allow a two week period between rounds===
* Write up in-game "End of Year" reports.
* Finish up any discussions on this page.
* Take a break and collect your thoughts.
* Mad-edit anything that needs to.

YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]]
 NAY:

===Allow scholars to revamp previous round's entries===
* One edit per turn to ANY entry, in addition to regular round rules.
* No NEW facts, just revamped to include missing/clarified facts.
* No dibbing on edits; if necc. mad-edits are collaborative.

YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]]
 NAY:

==Rule Changes==

* '''WHOOPS''' are from the original Lexicon: an RPG and were (accidentally) missed.
* '''HOUSE''' rules are specific to Ghyll only, and tweak the rules to our conditions.

===WHOOPS: New phantoms must start with an upcoming letter in the current round===

I've (Morbus) deleted the previous discussion here, and have reconsidered this rule. Whilst I still think this would be ''useful'' in enforcing "themed" rounds ('this round will only talk about things from the [[cactus forests]]'), I feel that the raw intent behind this WHOOPS (and the next) were based on the game ending at letter Z (where there'd be no "going back" to write remaining phantoms). Since we've already HOUSE'd "this game will run forever", rules that increase constriction and a "definite finish" are detrimental.

===WHOOPS: Phantoms per letter may not exceed average number of players===

I've (Morbus) deleted the previous discussion here, and have reconsidered this rule. No one wants to run around and be a "EDIT YOUR ENTRY!" whore, especially when we've all got short amounts of time already. The raw intent behind this WHOOPS (and the previous) were based on the game ending at letter Z (where there'd be no "going back" to write remaining phantoms). Since we've already HOUSE'd "this game will run forever", rules that increase constriction and a "definite finish" are detrimental. Anyways, we can always do emergency "two entries per letter" as we did for this round's S and T.

===HOUSE: LMNOP are speed turns; one turn per day===

YEA: [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]]
 NAY: [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:Clsn|clsn]], [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:Lisa B. Underhalh|Lisa B. Underhalh]]

I'd just have to bow out. And why "LMNOP" specifically? --[[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]] 00:47, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

: In the alphabet song, they're said really fast. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 07:21, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

Yeah, I'd be way, way too busy to do a "speed" turn of any kind, so I'd just skip. Which may be okay with you all, considering how lame some of my entries have been lately. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 09:07, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

:Actually doing a speed turn isn't really tough if you pre-write one or two entries. All of the cross-linking to Index, Phantoms, and other pages can be done later, writing the entries themselves is the tough part. LMNOP just seemed like a "cute" place to do it in the round. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 12:44, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

::Yes, well, that presupposes that we have time to prewrite entries and then edit them. That wouldn't be the case with me. Of course, I committed to a single round and then dropping in as I have time, so, I can certainly skip the speed round. NBD. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 16:41, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

I'd probably skip it as well, as I'm doing now: whenever it seems I can do one, I do. OTOH, the whole [[Rod of Quiends]] entry was a one-day inspiration. --[[User:Clsn|clsn]] 17:55, 10 Feb 2005 (EST)

I think giving the longer time will result in better entries than forcing those letters into one day timelines. And aren't we all here for the good of Ghyll? --[[User:Lisa B. Underhalh|Lisa B. Underhalh]] 18:17, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

===HOUSE: Of your two phantom citations, only one can be new===

YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Sbp|Sean B. Palmer]],
 YEA: [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]], [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]], [[User:Clsn|clsn]]
 NAY:

===HOUSE: Turn challenges inspired by Kaleidoscope===

More information at http://kevan.org/kaleido?faq, and some challenges at http://kevan.org/kaleido. Could be really simple (random global enhancement per turn, optional participation) or complicated (those who take the challenge get points, points can be traded in for multiple entries per turn, specific-scholar "attacks", etc.)

YEA: [[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]]
 NAY: [[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]]

I'd yay it if it were totally optional, and didn't see it much. Newbies really don't need another thing to learn, and the points themselves could cause conflict. --[[User:D8uv|Melik Fizzuo]] 10:28, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

:It is, by its nature, optional. You can continue to play as you already are without taking any of the challenges. But this also offers an incentive to do certain things in the game or to fill certain needs of the Encyclopedia. And I know *I* was looking for a way to do more than the one-letter-per-turn play (just because I am an overachiever). --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 12:44, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

===HOUSE: Rule of A: Scholars may always write new, non-phantom, turn A entries===

The goal is to ensure that every round has a "fresh start" with new branches of story. By not requiring a phantom to be defined for letter 'A' (regardless of leftover phantoms from previous rounds), we're always "starting" fresh with new, as opposed to already established, content. Of course, Truth from previous rounds must still be accepted as such.

YEA: [[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]], [[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]]
 NAY:

As long as we aren't ''forced'' to take one, I'm good with this. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 16:42, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

: I like the idea of encouraging occasional "fresh" ideas even when there are some "old" ones waiting, but why restrict it to A's? I know, I know, we can't make it totally unrestricted or we'll never get phantoms defined, but why is it only A that gets to be creative? I think I'd rather something like "Each player is allowed k new non-phantom entries (when there are phantoms of that letter) per round," for some small k (say, k=1). Or almost equivalently (but more flexible), "You can define a new non-phantom (when there are phantoms of that letter) if it's been at least 26 letters since the last time you did it." (or maybe something larger than 26, or whatever). --[[User:Clsn|clsn]] 17:55, 10 Feb 2005 (EST)

:: Too much record-keeping. --[[User:Morbus Iff|Morbus Iff]] 15:13, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)

==Round 2 Themes==

The original Lexicon post suggests there should be a theme and goal to the entries being written. Since Ghyll, as a world, didn't exist, there was no theme to Round 1: it was ultimately "make a world". What follows are possible themes for Round 2. Alternatively, we can continue to play with no themes. These themes were written very quickly and loosely; any winner will be redefined "in-game" by the 'pedants.

===THEME: None Whatsoever===

YEA: [[User:Jcowan|John Cowan]], [[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]], [[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]], [[User:Lisa B. Underhalh|Lisa B. Underhalh]]
 NAY:

I think it would be wise to allow scholarly independence to reign. Quite frankly, two of these tasks are too specific to require a majority of our attention. the Hive-lord one is a essentially so random that scholarly preference would probably overtake it anyhow.[[User:Theophenes|Theophenes]] 04:26, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

===THEME: Hive-Lord Surprise===

Three (or more, total) [[Hive-Lord]] Questions would be created/asked during the letter A turn of Round 2, and each entry thereafter would attempt to relate, answer, or deepen the search for the Answer to one (or some, or all) of those Questions. The entry need not contain blatant or plainly obvious linkages. At the end of the Round, our "End of Year" reports would put forth what each individual scholar thought was the Answer to each Question (and should enlighten everyone with explanations of any non-blatant entries per the previous sentence.)

YEA:
 NAY:

===THEME: Doggerel Infection===

[[Doggerel plague]] victims have been searching desperately for ways of spreading their illness (writing, botanical infection, etc.). Have they figured something out? Has the infection somehow gotten in the water? Did a public and respected speaker get infected, only to become a Prize Spreader? Did they take over the recently moved Iganefta Recorder publishing facilities (now in [[Folktown]]) due to lax security? How do you stop them? Ignorance won't work anymore as they've become experts at whispering nothings into your ear while you sleep. How d'ya stop 'em?

YEA:
 NAY:

===THEME: EctoMechanauts Rights Now!===

Are alchemical intelligences truly intelligent, with feelings and concerns? Do they bleed or dream of electronic sheep? Do [[EctoMechanauts]] go rogue or be reprogrammed? Do they have charisma, to inspire likeminded (un?)souls? And what of [[EUPHORIA]]? Have they become so incensed over the treatment of their mechanical friends to move to violence? Increased recruitment drives? Deafening riots? Can corporate piracy of manufacturing trade secrets spell the end of an aged family business?

YEA:
 NAY:

==My Entry's Done. Now What?==

I'd like to find a way to make entries ''out of turn'' occasionally. I know there is [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]] and that such things do happen, but I wondered if there might be a way to "earn" an out of sequence letter by doing something in-game. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 19:31, 28 Jan 2005 (EST)

:I don't like this one. Stott is a hack for dealing with certain kinds of problems, and if he gets overused, he becomes uninteresting. (I'd be happy if he was *really* never used again.) I think the letters and the turns are the main thing that keeps Ghyll from becoming a free-for-all where whoever writes first and most wins. --[[User:Jcowan|Jcowan]] 13:29, 30 Jan 2005 (EST)

:I hate to say it, but I agree with Mr. Cowan on this. Old Stott was a very, very generous concession made to an entry I'd worked up that was a parody of the History of the Necronomicon. I was crying about how fun it would have been to get it in after all the work I'd done and a kind soul took pity on me, thus was [[User:Stottlemeyer O'Phelan|Stottlemeyer O'Phelan]] born. --[[User:PhineasCrank|Doctor Phineas Crank]] 09:14, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

As I mentioned above, this was a suggestion that is closely tied to the "challenges". Even if it allows me to make two entries in a turn (by collecting 30 points say) or allows me to do something ''outside'' the normal game play then that is an incentive enough for me. --[[User:DrAckroyd|Dr. H. L. Ackroyd]] 12:44, 4 Feb 2005 (EST)

User:Finna Sunderhorn

2005-04-22T00:54:11Z

Finna Sunderhorn:

==Finna Sunderhorn==

Finna Sunderhorn started out as an entertainer in a small-time bar, but discovered that she was better suited for chronicling the artists that play there after being booed off stage. Always ready to look up on the music and lifestyles of the people of Ghyll, Finna is trying to accurately portray many of her former fellow entertainers. Occasionally, Finna is asked to freelance a review for the folks at Folktown Records.

Ghyll:Zot, The

2005-04-22T00:44:34Z

Finna Sunderhorn:

Originally developed as a form of silent protest to the [[Amphitheatre aristocracy]] in -34 EC, The Zot evolved into so much more. The Zot is a dance that can be done with or without music. A Zotter starts gyrating her hips slowly to an unkown beat while snaking her arms up into the air. After her arms ascend to a peak, she begins to stomp her feet to a beat as a signal for others to join in. Everyone around the primary dancer starts stamping their feet in time. Once symmetrical motion is achieved, the primary dancer accelerates the beat and starts to snake and weave like a grapevine moving up a trellis through the crowd of stamping people. As she moves, the dancer touches another person to initiate the "vine." That person leans toward someone else and begins moving until the primary dancer continues the growth by touching someone else. Once another person is touched, the two parts of the "vine" move and gyrate together, adding more and more people as time goes on.

Some blame the influence of [[Ged Nokaway]], a popular lyricist, who kept urging citizens to dance The Zot faster and faster, for The Zot's side effects. The dance, said to have been borrowed from a small vineyard in [[Jorvyll]], is blamed for massive destruction of property and potentional orgies. If you ever see The Zot encouraged, it is recommended that you try to egress from whatever location you are presently at.

'''Citations:''' [[Amphitheatre aristocracy]], [[Ged Nokaway]], [[Jorvyll]]

--[[User:Finna Sunderhorn|Finna Sunderhorn]] 20:32, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Ghyll talk:Zot, The

2005-04-22T00:44:14Z

Finna Sunderhorn:

I didn't see any other phantoms beginning with the letter Z. If you don't wish me to post a new topic, let me know and delete this.

I think this is fine. I mean, the rules say that players should clear any phantoms first. So, since there aren't any phantoms for you to clear, it's fine to make a new one. You just need to cite that existing entry in your citations list. :-) Welcome aboard (from one new player to another!) --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 20:39, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Incidentally, is this dance related to "The Locomotive"? :-D It just sounds so similar ... well, it shares some similarities, but not many, I suppose. And the name "The Zot" ... do you, perchance, read The Internet Oracle? --[[User:Undrhil|Trousle Undrhil]] 20:41, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

It doesn't have any intentional similarities. I don't read the Internet Oraclem but if you link it, I'll check it out.--[[User:Finna Sunderhorn|Finna Sunderhorn]] 20:44, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Ghyll talk:Zot, The

2005-04-22T00:33:53Z

Finna Sunderhorn:

I didn't see any other phantoms beginning with the letter Z. If you don't wish me to post a new topic, let me know and delete this.

Ghyll:Zot, The

2005-04-22T00:32:56Z

Finna Sunderhorn:

Originally developed as a form of silent protest to the [[Amphitheatre aristocracy]] in -34 EC, The Zot evolved into so much more. The Zot is a dance that can be done with or without music. A Zotter starts gyrating her hips slowly to an unkown beat while snaking her arms up into the air. After her arms ascend to a peak, she begins to stomp her feet to a beat as a signal for others to join in. Everyone around the primary dancer starts stamping their feet in time. Once symmetrical motion is achieved, the primary dancer accelerates the beat and starts to snake and weave like a grapevine moving up a trellis through the crowd of stamping people. As she moves, the dancer touches another person to initiate the "vine." That person leans toward someone else and begins moving until the primary dancer continues the growth by touching someone else. Once another person is touched, the two parts of the "vine" move and gyrate together, adding more and more people as time goes on.

Some blame the influence of [[Ged Nokaway]], a popular lyricist, who kept urging citizens to dance The Zot faster and faster, for The Zot's side effects. The dance, said to have been borrowed from a small vineyard in [[Jorvyll]], is blamed for massive destruction of property and potentional orgies. If you ever see The Zot encouraged, it is recommended that you try to egress from whatever location you are presently at.

'''Citations:''' [[Ged Nokaway]], [[Jorvyll]]

--[[User:Finna Sunderhorn|Finna Sunderhorn]] 20:32, 21 Apr 2005 (EDT)