What has been edited from this chat... - Greetings and goodbyes - The repetition of what the subject is - TOS related chat - Unrelated chat that has absolutely nothing with the topic at hand. (What was cut and not cut was very hard, so if you see something that shouldn't be in here, then you should think of what I took out ;) - Morbus, chat of 4/19/97 Topic: What Makes Us Afraid? --Open Log------------------------------------------------------------ Morbus: .ili. Welcome to CAFE BIZARRE! .ili. Morbus: .ili. The topic today is What Makes Us Afraid? .ili. Morbus: .ili. Your host is Morbus .ili. CyberJazen: Reality makes me afraid Pale552998: clowns BratLestat: it doesn't...i envy you Morbus: The chat begins.. Tell me, what makes you afraid? Therbud: the law M BRITNIx4: spiders BratLestat: i have two great fears.... Pale552998: clowns MARIO USA: Morbus, you make a lot of good points. MPD 43: people that lie CyberJazen: But I spit in its face anyway JRaven16: Snakes Morbus: and I have many more mario Pale552998: i had a pet snake Buffy016: hi all BRITNIx4: and any bug that bites Morbus: is that a phobia, jraven? MARIO USA: Do tell. JRaven16: Yes1 BratLestat: i'm afraid of heights...know the little cable cars they have at zoos and amusement parks? BratLestat: i passed out on one of those Morbus: Then, by def. a phobia is irrational.. why do you still fear when it is irrational Therbud: people i love going to hell scares me CyberJazen: Heights scare me to death BRITNIx4: i'm afraid of blindness BratLestat: i'm a very irrational person......i'm insane! BRITNIx4: me too Morbus: Therbud, interesting point.... Morbus: why fear more for other people? JRaven16: Because I am an irrational person! MARIO USA: I do not know what I fear. However, only a fool fears nothing. CyberJazen: People I love dying plain and simple scares me Therbud: cuz i know im not going to hell BratLestat: i'm afraid of dying alone..... CyberJazen: amen to that mario BRITNIx4: there is nothing to fear but fear it's self Morbus: but only the fool believes everything, mario BratLestat: like never ever having loved anyone or been loved by anyone..... THAT'S scary MARIO USA: Morbus, your name is familiar. Is it Greek or Roman? BratLestat: <-----fool Morbus: Not sure, mario... JRaven16: That's sad BL! Morbus: So, are we more afraid for ourselves or for the safety of other people? MARIO USA: I never talked of belief...but it is the innocent which believe everything...not the fool. Morbus: Is ignorance a reason to fear....? JRaven16: Yes MARIO USA: Yes. Zombie142: yes AndreaLWms: maybe yes, maybe no Pale552998: sometimes CyberJazen: Ok what scares me is the dark twisted side of human nature AndreaLWms: yep Morbus: or is knowledge? MARIO USA: Ignorance is a fear. Zombie142: Hydrophobia AndreaLWms: knowledge is fear MARIO USA: that too. JRaven16: Both are! BratLestat: why? its the 90s, the dark side is pretty much all you see these days MPD 43: not me Cyber, that fascinates me BratLestat: i'm afraid of the dentist......like really really afraid CyberJazen: Well yes it is very fascinating Morbus: That scares me BratLestat BratLestat: i freak out.... Morbus: The herd mentality... the sheep following the blinder BratLestat: especially the orthodontist.... CyberJazen: I guess what scares me is the dark side out of control BratLestat: ouch!!! AndreaLWms: anaconda makes me very afraid CyberJazen: but I study it CyberJazen: I know its there Morbus: I agree, Andrea,... ;) Lougi09: i'm scared of spiders and the dark............ MARIO USA: Too true....As the lamb follows the lion. MPD 43: yes, Cyber Zombie142: I'll just keep quiet for a while BratLestat: and when i went to have my navel pierced i was really wigged out....the lady told me to calm BratLestat: down CyberJazen: The dark intrigues me Morbus: Are we more afraid alone, or do we seep fear from others? MPD 43: me too, Julian MARIO USA: Both. JEFlischel: i'm scared of spoons BratLestat: and sometimes people that come into the video store i work at scare me... AndreaLWms: both, i believe Morbus: how is that mario and andrea? Pale552998: what about sporks Jef? CyberJazen: Its mystery, forbidden passion, its promise of eternity..... JEFlischel: is anyone else scared of spoons BratLestat: and peter steele scares me....but in a good way ;-) MPD 43: all of that.... AndreaLWms: if you are alone, you fear being alone. when you are with others, their fear feeds yours MPD 43: and more..... CyberJazen: and so much more MARIO USA: People's imaginations run away with things from others. Morbus: Right, whichi s influence mario, but when we dont have someone there to influence Morbus: do we have the time to rationalize our situation? MARIO USA: We influence our selves. AndreaLWms: then your own fears and inadequecies feed on you CyberJazen: Actually, yes, the dark side of human nature is VERY fascinating Morbus: But in a good or bad way, mario? JRaven16: True Cyber! MARIO USA: Both, one will save and one will destroy. AndreaLWms: no, age sex, fear only Morbus: Fight or flee.... JRaven16: Fight! MARIO USA: Know when to do both. Morbus: Does the adrenaline rush cloud our judgememt? Does it confuse us? MARIO USA: Yes, but it does save us. Therbud: ??? no adreniline for a while AndreaLWms: i think that the adrenaline rush clouds judgement, but that it is not all bad RIO JUICE: I want to talk about DEATH!!!!!!! Morbus: Are you afraid of death, rio juice? CyberJazen: adreneline rush is sometimes what keeps us ahead of our fear BratLestat: i'm afraid of all the freaks you meet online AndreaLWms: true Morbus: How many are afraid of death? AndreaLWms: i am JRaven16: Not me! RIO JUICE: Death is only the start of life!!!! Morbus: Uncertainty of what lies ahead.... CyberJazen: death of a loved one I fear MARIO USA: Death is a part of life. Therbud: most people are not afraid of anything Zombie142: I am not afraid of death AndreaLWms: not true at all Morbus: Not true at all, therbud.. i dont think so SatansEwok: my private area may be afraid of death for it may not be happy anymore AndreaLWms: everyone is afraid of something BratLestat: well, if i could live forever, i wouldn't be afraid of death RIO JUICE: good for you Zombie 142 Zombie142: thanx Morbus: afraid that they will lose control, afraid they will make the wrong decisions... SWmania: Death is just another stage of life, we will all go through it, eventually CyberJazen: I'm afraid of dependency RIO JUICE: death is everywhere. It could be right next to u now!!!! Zombie142: Morbus: How do you feel about death? Therbud: Im not afraid of anything past what ive already stated to my knowledge AndreaLWms: yes, but are you afraid of it, BratLestat: ::turns around:: whoa, its death! Morbus: I think it is a step which everyone takes.. It is the only thing that is definite in life... AndreaLWms: so is fear Morbus: but which in a way, will slowly be taken from ys Zombie142: Morbus: Very true RIO JUICE: what did it look like? CyberJazen: I've learned Death is everywhere, no one is invincible, but dying before ur time MARIO USA: Morbus, you sounded intellegent,but you are getting annoying with your meaningless questions CyberJazen: that scares me 2 Morbus: How meaningless can this be? Mario USA, what would you like to answer? Therbud: where are we now MARIO USA: Questions of fear are meaningless, people do not fear anything forever. AndreaLWms: fear of falling, fear of heights, fear of things that go bump in the night Morbus: Hmm.. mario, how can you be so sure of that... AndreaLWms: what's your fear Morbus: yes, but those are all phobias, andrea.... Morbus: can phobias really be called fear? AndreaLWms: true, but when you are there, don't you fear them MARIO USA: I do know what I fear. Zombie142: yes Morbus: Rationalize why you fear them, andrea.. what have they done to you? AndreaLWms: you stand on a precipice, are you afraid? is that not fear RELMSpectr: Yes, Andrea, but are we talking about unconous fears, or conscious ones? MPD 43: no, a phobia is a noun JRaven16: Phobias are the most common form of fear!! MARIO USA: NOT AndreaLWms: yes? Morbus: are you afraid of your life, falling, or the precipice though? MARIO USA: None AndreaLWms: falling Morbus: Most common, yes, Jraven... CyberJazen: falling most likely Therbud: what are you afraid of, M Morbus: why would you not fear all of them? they all contribue to your feelings of being afraid? MARIO USA: Morbus, stop this stupidity. JRaven16: What's your point then Morbus? Morbus: What am I afraid of... Uncertainty... MARIO USA: Morbus, what do you fear? AndreaLWms: morbus is right about uncertainty Morbus: My point could be meaningless..... Zombie142: true RELMSpectr: Mario, can you contribute something constructive, then? JRaven16: Everything another words! MPD 43: Morbus is talking about feelings versus reality CyberJazen: u do not fear the precipice because it isn't a threat CyberJazen: nor is ur life Morbus: what in reality is fearful MPD? CyberJazen: but falling is a very real threat AndreaLWms: right, but you fear the fall if you fall off the precipice Therbud: how does fear project itself? MARIO USA: Yes, it is unwise to speak of meaningless prattal. RELMSpectr: For instance I have the rational fear about getting into a car accident... AndreaLWms: a clamp around you chest RIO JUICE: Here's something scary...Having too much control of your dreams... RELMSpectr: But I have the unrational fear of demons in the dark. Morbus: But which lends more to reality Spectr? Both could come true... RELMSpectr: I think what Morbus is getting at is our irranal fears... >;) RELMSpectr: er-irrational... CyberJazen: lol MARIO USA: Unrational is the worst fear one can have. RIO JUICE: Hey RELM, why consider demons in the dark a rational fear?? Morbus: Definitely, mario usa... MARIO USA: Thank you. AndreaLWms: okay, falling is my fear. RELMSpectr: I don't, Rio.. that's the point. I think our irrationtional fears have atendency to be more powerful. Morbus: Is being scared by what you see on TV or in Books irrational or rational.... CyberJazen: sometimes RIO JUICE: But can't you simply accept the presence of demons and expect them? CyberJazen: both Morbus: Because rational fear is based on fact, which can be explained... MPD 43: our imaginations are the most potent things we have, rational or not JRaven16: Both MARIO USA: TV is fictional, you should relize that. CyberJazen: not always Mario Morbus: but the news, mario? RELMSpectr: It depends, Morbus. Fear o getting mnd raped is a rational fear.. fear of being abducted by aliens is RELMSpectr: an irrational fear... MARIO USA: MOST TV is. SatansEwok: Hey MARIO what about TV shows based on TRUE STORIES??? MPD 43: I respect that I don't want to get killed by a gun RIO JUICE: Hey Xena, are scared of demons?? RELMSpectr: Rio--I would rather think that demons are not real, therefore the fer is irrational... MPD 43: the reality is I probably won't, so I'm not afraid of it RELMSpectr: To think demons are real brings up a whole nother issue. A GUY85: I am sorry, we are very differant Morbus: True.. perhaps another chat.. ;) RIO JUICE: So you accept without examining the proof of their existence??? AndreaLWms: do accept God Morbus: I accept without reason to not accept MARIO USA: I know how to always win in a fight. AndreaLWms: there is no proof of Him, supposedly but we believe in him Morbus: What makes you more afraid? Reading a book or seeing a movie? CyberJazen: I tend to think that irrational fear is more fear of the mind MPD 43: last night I had a "nightmare" of a "demon" I was fighting RIO JUICE: What makes me afraid is the uncontrollable. Being out of control. MPD 43: I was very afraid Morbus: Why, rio? JRaven16: Both Xena2002: when i read a book my mind gos out ta control RELMSpectr: We were just talking about irrational and rational fears Zombie142: oh goody MPD 43: I was afraid of losing my identity to the demon RELMSpectr: Rio, good point!! Morbus: To those who said "both" why? What makes them so? RIO JUICE: Because that is where the unknown is the scariest... Xena2002: & when i see a movie it just freaks me out MARIO USA: I always fight evil in my dreams...they are great dreams. CyberJazen: u were afraid of the demon taking ur place? Fourever: then thiong that freaks me is the idea that sum maniac could be hiding sumwhere in my h Fourever: ouse MPD 43: yes, Cyber, thank you for listening CyberJazen: anytime =) RIO JUICE: There are so many REAL things that one cannot control. The truth is scary. Morbus: the possibility that something COULD happen often overrides what we no WONT happen RELMSpectr: Both good points! AndreaLWms: where are we in this conversation now Morbus: why is a book and a movie both equally scary to people? RELMSpectr: Still talking about fears, Andrea... RELMSpectr: >;) AndreaLWms: a movie is only scary on big screen, it feels more real, if that makes sense CyberJazen: Perhaps a book could be scarier for its potential to expand imagination Fourever: what fraks every1? Fourever: i mean freaks Morbus: wouldn't a book, spurned by imagination be more scary than a movie which "feed" you MPD 43: probably, Cyber CyberJazen: but a movie could also be for its bringing the story to semi-reality JRaven16: Depends on the realistic quality of the movie Morbus!! CyberJazen: seeing the movie strikes the possibility that it just could happen Fourever: nah,i'm not afraidm of that Morbus: Does it matter? Does gore induce fear? Does suspense induce fear or ... um, suspense? AndreaLWms: i don't know. jaws still makes me scream on the big screen, but on tv it's yawnsville RIO JUICE: Weirdly enough, Birth makes me afraid.. MPD 43: what you said earlier about the dark side of human nature rally rings true MPD 43: Cyber Fourever: y birth? Morbus: Reading a book makes it more your own, more of what you fear the most.... RIO JUICE: giving birth... Therbud: gore does induce fear RELMSpectr MPD, very good! Why do you think so? Morbus: why therbud? AndreaLWms: both, they draw you into the story CyberJazen: thank u =) I'm afraid I wouldn't truly know without having experienced it MPD 43: because our demons come from us Morbus: but the book is up to you to read it.. the movie merely plays.. doesn't care if you are Morbus: there or not MPD 43: most good writers utilize this Fourever: there's probobly a psycopathic killer in here rite now Therbud: Blood= caution MPD 43: I could be! AndreaLWms: but what keeps you in front of the movie, i think fear is part thrill BratLestat: hey four.......how'd you know..... Morbus: ... well, my friend is next to me, fourever ;) Fourever: hm...more then 1 i guess CyberJazen: the dark side, where all laws and boundaries of society fade away to primal savage instinct Morbus: which leads, andrea, to the point of why we like to fear? MPD 43: or desire! RELMSpectr: Andrea, I agree! Horrorlms would not be sucessl without a fear element... Morbus: why go to movies, read books, watch docudramas... why... CyberJazen: passion MPD 43: yes RELMSpectr: er--films... AndreaLWms: yes CyberJazen: torture, ectasty, fear, pain,...... RELMSpectr: My fingers get too far ahead of me, sometimes.. RELMSpectr: >;) Therbud: janzens right Morbus: heh AndreaLWms: it is morbed, but cj is right MPD 43: yes he is! CyberJazen: morbid yes I suppose AndreaLWms: we like gore, fear, pain etc CyberJazen: but true RELMSpectr: Therbud, how does what Janzen say make you think he's right? MPD 43: fascinating.... Morbus: then why do you enjoy being afraid.. why do we? Is that not fearful by itself? CyberJazen: the dark side enjoys these things Morbus: What are we turning into? CyberJazen: it accepts what society will not CyberJazen: it is not governed by laws or common sense, only raw emotion Morbus: Which then leak into society, cyberjazen Fourever: fear is cool,it wouldnt b fun not Bing afraid of n-e-thing CyberJazen: they can MPD 43: except, the "good" side is also fascinated! CyberJazen: if u lose control Morbus: why fourever? AndreaLWms: true Therbud: fear kinda makes people feel alive if they cant control the out come of the"heros" fate MPD 43: true Cyber Morbus: right, mpd.. which goes back to the original point.. why do we like gore, fear, hate? Fourever: u always have 2 B careful,if u knew that nothin scasry would happen,it's just boring AndreaLWms: so why do we need fear to feal alive RELMSpectr: Janzen, if we talked strictly about physiology, we could say that fear addicts... CyberJazen: Jazen Therbud: then you may put your self in their pisition & not know it Fourever: fear makes us live Subie56: My son saw scream llast night scared the heck out of him. Wouldn't walk the dog tonight MPD 43: because we can't really do it when we want to Fourever: i luved that movie JRaven16: Because our lives would be boring without it!! Morbus: but can't people tell movies are movies? what makes them come into our life? Seaside906: sorry i got here late. have you discussed what happens when what we are supposed to fear AndreaLWms: how about anaconda Seaside906: becomes our hero like Freddy, Jason, etc Morbus: that scares me.. acaconda A GUY85: acaconda? RELMSpectr: No, Seaside--go ahead! >;) Morbus: um add an a in there... Therbud: Freddy & jason are fake Subie56: I HATE snakes Munnjie: THE HAUNTING - scariest flick ever- to me! AndreaLWms: what scared me is that there are snakes that big A GUY85: I don't know, IA. Morbus: Is it hate, or fear subue56? A GUY85: I am not getting off line MPD Fourever: i want 2 c that movie,is it good Missyintx: hi room Seaside906: so is the fake anaconda but is is still scary MPD 43: good Therbud: but slashers/ mass murderers are real Seaside906: suspension of reality...... Subie56: FEAR Morbus: but the movie wasn't.. AndreaLWms: so are anacondas Morbus: then why do you hate them also, subie56 Subie56: No not rally Subie56: Sorry Really AndreaLWms: yes, the movie snake was not real, but those snakes do exist MPD 43: what makes us afraid is that the line between us and them is so thin Morbus: Do we grow to hate we fear and thus need to see more of it to dull our senses? Munnjie: FEAR of the U N K N O W N... CyberJazen: and there are those who dare to cross it Therbud: Scream was better than one o those cuz the girl did what she could and the killer wasnt Subie56: I thought the movie was Corney Therbud: invincible Munnjie: The thing outside your door... RELMSpectr: Morbus, I don't think so--I think that we've become addcted to that addrenline rush that horror... Fourever: run!!!!! Munnjie: Breathing... RDunn15341: I Hate Snakes So I'm Outahere!!!! RELMSpectr: gives us, espiceally if 's not real physical threat... MPD 43: yes, Relm, THE EDGE! CyberJazen: There's the thrill of the hunt to the predator, but the fear of it to the prey Munnjie: Pawing the wooden panels... Seaside906: people who don't appreciate horror - they scare me the most!!! Fourever: dont fear,just b afraid,be very afraid Morbus: good point, Spectr, really good point... Subie56: The scariest movie I ever saw was the Exorist. Missyintx: What scares me most is the ignorance of others Seaside906: yeah Subit, when the mother was alone with Regan Munnjie: THE HAUNTING puts all other horrors to shame... RELMSpectr: *Why* do thee things scare you? Morbus: What made that more scary than anything else Subie? CyberJazen: or the idea of knowing something will eventually come for u and not being able to do CyberJazen: anything about it Morbus: Good, missyintx.. my feelings exactly RELMSpectr: Is it beacuse they are new? Beacuse they are unknown? Beacuse they are irrational? CyberJazen: except submit to iy MPD 43: or the idea that I will BECOME that thing... Munnjie: The scariest stuff works on the mind... Subie56: I was 16 when I saw it I had to sleep with the light for a year. CyberJazen: it CyberJazen: yes, true RELMSpectr: What do you think, Chandu? >:D Morbus: MPD, upi Morbus: MPD, you Missyintx: Those without knowledge are the most dangerous to a civilized society RELMSpectr: Gat point, MPD!! Morbus: sorry, return button to close.. hehe.. MPD, you bring up many good points MPD 43: :) Munnjie: Even Stephen King acknowledges THE HAUNTING... RELMSpectr: Is danger the same as fear, then, Missy? Morbus: why missy? Seaside906: Agree Munnjie - when Eleanor thinks the other lady is holding her hand..... Fourever: fear cums from inside..... Morbus: Are we all afraid to become serial killers then? Missyintx: Because they do not understand the ramifications of their actions Munnjie: Seaside - TOTALLY creepy! CyberJazen: There are most two sides to everything MPD 43: no, but we relate sometimes Zombie142: Those without knowledge dont know right from wrong CyberJazen: one of light one of darkness Munnjie: Those sound FX were something! CyberJazen: one that creates CyberJazen: one that destroys Therbud: stupid sociopaths are very dangerous, like in the mv. Big Bully Missyintx: and yes Morbus: Do sometimes we wish to go out with that freedom and destroy? Fourever: ghosts r everywhere,probobly rite close 2 u rite now Seaside906: Yeah and the door bending in Morbus: Is that what makes us fear them? Their freedom? AndreaLWms: are they free Zombie142: yes RELMSpectr: Wow, you folk're *great* conversationalsts! ::beaming:: Such wonderful points! Munnjie: Seaside - how about the rushing wind and the ghostly breathing? AAAGHH! Morbus: Yes, resounding so.. free from caring about what they do. Missyintx: No they are trapped by their ignorance Seaside906: I wish i lived in that house!!!! CyberJazen: or knowing something isn't right.......and loving it all the same Munnjie: Man I CANNOT watch that film alone!! AndreaLWms: what film Munnjie: THE HAUNTING... Seaside906: Munnjie - can you sleep with your arm hanging out of the covers???? Morbus: why? Morbus: why? Munnjie: NEVERRRR! Morbus: what makes you fear that movie? Munnjie: Seaside - thee doth understand me! AndreaLWms: does anybody have problems with their foot hanging over the side of the bed Munnjie: Only POLTERGEIST approaches the dread feeling realized by THE HAUNTING. Morbus: so dread gives us reason to fear? AndreaLWms: how about the exorcist CyberJazen: thinking something is sick, but some primal instinct makes it appealing.... Missyintx: the exorsist was very scary Therbud: exorcist wasnt scary MPD 43: right, Cyber! Munnjie: Exorcist was too explicit. Sound FX were good tho. AndreaLWms: the first one was creepy Therbud: none of those got to me Munnjie: PSYCHO had some scary moments... Workkit: The Exorcist was not "explicit" Missyintx: The one movie I could not watch for a long while was the Shinig Munnjie: Yeah. Pea soup isn't explicit?? SWmania: Psycho was lame...overrated Therbud: the shining was eerie cuz I was young Missyintx: I finally read the book and loved it Munnjie: TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE (1974) was creepy... Seaside906: the book was excellent - (shining) Morbus: Was Shindler's List scary to any of you? SWmania: Munnjie, everyone says it was scary...I found it SWmania: mundane..maybe scary if you are a child...but for an SWmania: adult..naaa AndreaLWms: definitely!!!! Munnjie: morbus - VERY - in a different way... CyberJazen: I suppose that is why vampires appeal to me......because they embrace their dark side Morbus: A rhetorical question to you... CyberJazen: I can't watch Schindler's List Missyintx: haven't seen it but that reflects my earlier statement JRaven16: IT was scary! CyberJazen: I'm too scared AndreaLWms: we're talking about a man making a choice on who dies and who lives, isnt that scary to any AndreaLWms: one? SWmania: Morbus, no...what was depicted was the truth in that movie.. RShuffler: The most frightening movie was silence of the lambs....by far. SWmania: how can truth be scary? Therbud: but the more I think about it now its still a bit tensing Morbus: Rhetorical: What makes you fear more... being murdered or being raped? Think about it... Munnjie: Shuff - GOOD one! Morbus: How can truth be scary? It shatters all you believe in. JRaven16: Being raped!! RShuffler: Truth CAN be scary. Missyintx: I would say Rape AndreaLWms: murdered, DIMPLZ911: spiders AndreaLWms: amen Morbus: Fiction has to make sense to us, so truth can be the only thing that is new.... Munnjie: The thing peering in at you through the window...at night... RShuffler: Anyone who says they fear nothing lies. AndreaLWms: true, rshuffler SWmania: Morbus, I guess if yo don't have much to believe in, then SWmania: there is nothing to be afrai of Missyintx: your right Shuffler Morbus: DO you fear your husband dying SwMania? AndreaLWms: i fear mine dying Missyintx: I do RELMSpectr: Mbus, does something have to make sense to make us afraid? Morbus: Do you fear being alone? RShuffler: Fiction preys on our innermost secret fears and exploits them. DIMPLZ911: never be afraid to die andrea Missyintx: No I love to be alone AndreaLWms: no i fear not hearing him laugh ever agi SWmania: Morbus, No, it is something I have to face everyday..the SWmania: thought of him being gone...it is his job..no it does not SWmania: scare me... Morbus: not at all, but I think it is an important factor.... DIMPLZ911: Booo sw Seaside906: SW what does he do? DIMPLZ911: hello sw Missyintx: I love it now because I know its temporary RShuffler: What is his job, SW? CyberJazen: actually, he's been asleep off and on he is now but later he'll be up and off RELMSpectr: Frankly, I think things that I *don't* understand nd to make me more frightened.... Morbus: Is that true? Or is that what you tell everyone? Secure by lying to others, that you are SWmania: Seaside, he's military, active army Morbus: lying to yourself? Convincing yourself you are not afriad? Seaside906: Will say a prayer SW - it never hurts AndreaLWms: some fears are better left alone and not thought about until they happen Therbud: if you fear for someone else and something happens to them, what happens to you AndreaLWms: sad DIMPLZ911: i dont know ther Morbus: but if we think about what we fear, do we not handle it better when it happens? SWmania: Morbus, No, I do need a man to be happy, or to be SWmania: secure...so losing that man would sadden my heart, but SWmania: would not cause me to be afraid RShuffler: I think I fear the unknown.....not knowing what will happen next in some situations. DIMPLZ911: does anybody know what F.E.A.R. stands for? Morbus: What if he never came home? AndreaLWms: no, several young children being pulled out of a building that has been blown up Morbus: Fear Eats Away Rationality... F.E.A.R DIMPLZ911: false evidence appearing real Alba CG5: what's scary is something happening to you that you have no control over Missyintx: Not me but my mom and brother have oz MPD 43: Andrea, that is NOT what i would joke about!! SWmania: Morbus, MIA??? I would wonder, but that is not fear... RELMSpectr: Great acronym, morbus! >:D Steferbear: what? RShuffler: I think all the terrorism going on on US soil is pretty scary. AndreaLWms: not joking, two years ago today in OKC, oklahoma Morbus: never contacts you, nothing is ever said... Ozs28: Mpd, no joke its like your heart stops when that letter comes RELMSpectr: Why does that make you afraid, Oz, RShuffler? AndreaLWms: sorry Morbus: no one is ever notified.. taken from your life, no explanation, uncertainty... AndreaLWms: yes that is scary morbus SWmania: Morbus, Fear of the Unknown?? Morbus: thanks about the acronym, spectr AndreaLWms: but even the known is scary AndreaLWms: or can be Morbus: Yes.. can you not fear what you don't know about? RELMSpectr: I think what MPD is trying to say, is that most HOrror topics are based on irrational fears. RELMSpectr: >;) RShuffler: It is so pointless and you never know if it will be you or one of your loved ones in the RShuffler: next bombing. Ozs28: Fera is our 1st natural enemy AndreaLWms: it can be MPD 43: RS are you a terrorist, then? Alba CG5: or shootings, in the tragic case of Dunblane. CyberJazen: Life should be an adventure live it to the fullest and how u want, so u can go down proud SWmania: Fear is a challenge..something to conquer...then it is not a fear CyberJazen: and have lived a full life Morbus: can violation of yourself be a fear? RShuffler: What's THAT supposed to mean, MP? RShuffler: What is everyone's greatest fear? BratLestat: nothing! isn't that great! Morbus: If your house is robbed? Do you fear the criminal coming back, or are you more afraid Morbus: of what the criminal has seen of yours? The violation of your life? AndreaLWms: more afraid that someone else will do the same to you Morbus: The violation of your privacy? Missyintx: Not if they got everything Morbus BratLestat: well...building off that morbus...i have like this recurring fear thing..... Therbud: E-Z to kill a stalker Morbus: They took your life away missy.. do you fear that? AndreaLWms: tell us brat Ozs28: Morbus any one fool enough to even try to break in here, might as well put a bullet in his h Ozs28: head Morbus: of what, brat? BratLestat: like i'm in my bed at night, trying to fall asleep...and i hear someone come into my house Ozs28: 1st CyberJazen: I think my greatest fear is losing someone I love to death Morbus: so you would fear yourself when you kill them, cj? Missyintx: No take my life but dont touch my kids LynxCw: same here cyberjazen BratLestat: and its like some really insane, evil, awful person.... EchoVenus: my greatesy fear is that there is no life after death. BratLestat: and i can't get up and scream for help cause he'll like get me then.... LynxCw: exactly Morbus: would your kids be better off without you missy? LynxCw: well put BratLestat: so all i can do is sit there and hope that he won't kill me and my entire family..... Ozs28: Echo better do all your living now Missyintx: My greatest fear is some one taking them and never knowing where they are BratLestat: ::shudders:: RShuffler: I feel the same way...take my life, but don't hurt anyone I love. Missyintx: NO absolutely not RELMSpectr: Why does that frighten you, EchoVenus...? Morbus: does your love become inconsequential when you offer your life? CyberJazen: Morbus--ur ? strikes a valid point, but I fear makes it unimaginable Ozs28: My greatest fear is the color I use not covering the grey CyberJazen: which is why I know I must face it Morbus: what is more important? life or love? EchoVenus: trying to prompt some communication, RELM? EchoVenus: love. Missyintx: I think it becomes stronger CyberJazen: and yet it will be a long time before I am able to RELMSpectr: Yeppers.. >;) Therbud: if u offer your own life for their RShuffler: Morbus, the greatest gift of all is life, to scrifice it for another is the ultimate act of RShuffler: love CapMonte: what makes me afraid? age/sex checks. RShuffler: oops, sacrifice BratLestat: or altruistic stupidity Ozs28: Morbus & what makes U afraid??? RELMSpectr: LOL! LynxCw: no oops about it Missyintx: LOL Cap Morbus: uncertainty, ignorance, losing recognition for my talents Therbud: Not towards me! that would just make me think they died cuz o me MinaTeppes: raven, what makes you afraid? Morbus: all right, rather Ozs28: I'll go with ignorance RELMSpectr: I think that the Horror genre is ultimately based upon te irrational fear... JRaven16: Snakes and Spiders! Morbus: so what could we do to make the horror genre based on rational fear? Ozs28: How about an 18 wheeler overturning on the thruway? CapMonte: hmmm...get rid of films like ananconda. Morbus: create natural born killer type material? or more cops ripoff shows? Morbus: lol, cap MinaTeppes: raven, vlads wrath is what i fear RShuffler: How about the way some people drive today SCAAARY Ozs28: Fear is primal CapMonte: so you don't like the horror films with supernatural elements? that's not exactly "rational Missyintx: Its the elimate of the unknown JRaven16: Really.Is he mean often? RELMSpectr: I don't know as if I want to, Morbus... although that's what most hack-n-slash films do... EchoVenus: my one true fear is being locked in a room forced to listen to NO DOUBT for all eternity. BratLestat: i'm tired.... BratLestat: ack! the horror! Morbus: heh... but wouldn't that scare us more? and based on an earlier point, we LIKE fear... RELMSpectr: Base the fear generation upon the ratiopfear of being murdered... Pale552998: thats so scary i mn=ight have nightmares Echo Pale552998: might CyberJazen: fear reminds us of mortality CyberJazen: and therefore can bring us alive MinaTeppes: sometimes. he looses his patience EchoVenus: but ain't it true, Pale? Morbus: murder is so normal in our society though, Spectr.. watch more TV and you see what could be Morbus: put on the screen... CHANDU2000: Film or real life? RShuffler: Fear is the most primal emotion. JRaven16: All men do! Therbud: fear reminds us to stay away from whatever it is that we fear CapMonte: i'm afraid of clones. Peache9565: HAVE ANY OF U'S SEEN SCREAM MinaTeppes: raven, you sound bitter. RELMSpectr: Now, why is that, Cap? SunAndSnow: I saw it. EchoVenus: i'm afraid of Richard Simmons. CapMonte: i saw scream. Therbud: scream Pale552998: i loved Scream CapMonte: i was surprised at how much i liked it . Peache9565: I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY GOOD MOVIE RELMSpectr: I'mure that's an irratioal fear, eh, Echo? :) JRaven16: No,don't mean to! Morbus: is it that suspense of the killer? SunAndSnow: Scared me. RShuffler: Fear can make a 98 pound person lift a ton. Pale552998: clowns RELMSpectr: Could be, Morbus... Morbus: thats adrenaline.. the by product of fear.... EchoVenus: i'd be lost in his hair forever... Therbud: I was surpuized of how worried that made me 4 my sister & my niece CapMonte: fear can also make a 250 lbs person relieve himself. BratLestat: hahahahahahahahahaha Pale552998: lol Morbus: are we addicted to our own bodies drug would be a mundane point.... RShuffler: It's fear that causes the adrenaline, though. Morbus: lol, cap Peache9565: FEAR WAS A GOOD MOVIE IT SCARED ME A COUPLE OF TIMES Pale552998: Fear wasn't scary Peache9565: IN A WAY IT WAS JGask24044: how are you morbus Morbus: fine, jgask.. tell me, what are you afraid of? RShuffler: RELM, what makes YOU afraid? Morbus: uhhh.. the question everyone has been waiting for, rshuffler.. >;) JGask24044: spiders in the dark JGask24044: what are you afrid of? CapMonte: i'm afrid of typo demons. RELMSpectr: RShuffler--me? A rational or irrational fear? :) JGask24044: typo demons? Therbud: how come u no speak jrave & Lestat BratLestat: i no speak.....i don't know CapMonte: yeah, you know, the things that make you type afrid instead of afraid. JGask24044: sorry RELMSpectr: Irrational... I'm afraid of losing control of my mind. JRaven16: No ones asked me a question! CHANDU2000: Buuurrr!! RShuffler: Rational or irrational, it is still a fear; thereby making it a legitimate fear. Morbus: As we come to the ending point of this chat session, I invite you all to dwell on what we RELMSpectr: Rational--I'm afraid of being so badly messed up in an accident that I'm put on life support... Morbus: have discussed, what we have told each other. And one final question.. is fear a group RELMSpectr: dtrapped there wworking mind and no way to communicate. RShuffler: I'm afraid of being burned to death. CapMonte: i think my biggest fear is lonelieness. Missyintx: I'm back, No fear is singular to each of us RShuffler: or drowning for that matter. JRaven16: Is fear a group? JGask24044: if you were on life support would you decide to turn it off Morbus: emotion or is it something that each of us comes to a decision and feeling about. RShuffler: If I were on life support and no way to come back.....yes. Morbus: I invite you all to stay and discuss this. I also would like to remind you that CAFE BIZARRE JRaven16: Individual way! Fgone00: jraven, what are u afraid of Missyintx: Same here Shuffler Morbus: is starting next week at 9 pm instead of 10 pm.. Be sure to come early.... Pale552998: how long is this chat gonna be? Morbus: It has been fun.... CyberJazen: its over Pale JRaven16: Snakes and Spiders...You? Missyintx: Thanks Morbus Therbud: For me its an individual thing, what others fear just really bugs me RShuffler: I am afraid of the evil in men's minds. CHANDU2000: I'm afraid of taking a beautiful girl home and discovering she's a :::gasp::: guy!!! CapMonte: ouch Chandu, lol! JGask24044: yes I am also afraid of rats RELMSpectr: Rememberou need assistance, go to keyword: GUIDEPAGER... CyberJazen: lol Chandu horror! RELMSpectr: Thank you, Morbus, for hosting such a stimulating chat! Fgone00: that would be kinda scary chandu2000 CapMonte: i'm afraid of byeing a really cool horror film, putting it in the VCR, and it's a CapMonte: mispackaged copy of brady bunch movie. CHANDU2000: Thankfuly that hasn't happened...yet RShuffler: Thanks morbus....the best chat I've had in a while. Missyintx: LOL Cap Morbus: And thank you Spectr, and all those who had me... Be sure to return next week.... RELMSpectr: Gight, all! And watch the conference room schdule for more hosted chats! CHANDU2000: Later Morbus CyberJazen: what's next weeks topic? Therbud: bye M JRaven16: Bye Morbus!! RShuffler: Bye all. Therbud: is the chat over CapMonte: are you leaving relm? CyberJazen: yes The Missyintx: Bye Shuffler Morbus: Next Weeks Topic: THE FINAL DECISION: Micheal, Jason or Freddy? MinaTeppes: bye morbus JRaven16: I guess! CapMonte: oh geez.... RELMSpectr: The official one, yes, Therbud... CapMonte: :::sigh::: CHANDU2000: Hmmmmmm... RELMSpectr: Yeppers, CAp... >:) CyberJazen: None of them JGask24044: jan really freaks me out CapMonte: i pick..... RELMSpectr: Gotta stop by earlier... CapMonte: Norman Bates!!! Fgone00: Alice scares me CHANDU2000: Rush Limbaugh Missyintx: U 2 CHANDU2000: The winner!! CyberJazen: LOL Chandu RELMSpectr: ::waves:: Enjoy yourselves, and play nice! Morbus: and after that, I want nothing to do with any of them. Come by at 9pm, next Friday.... JRaven16: Bye! --Close Log-----------------------------------------------------------