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Buddy, Can You Spare an Aeron? Posted Wed May 9 01:48:39 2001 by sbaldwin By Chris Stamper Who wants to give me an Aeron chair? I'll even pay $50 for one. Put it in my home office so I can have it as a trophy, like my ESPN.com football and my Pets.com sock puppet. The $799 Herman Miller Aeron is to 1990s startup companies what the $7,622 coffee maker and the $640 toilet seats are to the U.S. military: a symbol of bad management and wasteful spending. Good grief, I actually had one at my desk for a while - and I didn't even know it was a big deal! I thought it was this oddly shaped floppy thing. How was I supposed to know somebody spent hundreds of dollars on the thing? I guess it was comfortable; I dunno. I honestly don't remember. The Aeron Chair is an icon of our age, combining all sorts of societal idols: the cult of design, ergonomic fundamentalism and rabid devotion to the newest and coolest. The write-ups on this thing - and who writes about office chairs, anyway? - are nothing short of amazing. If it is good enough for MoMA (New York's Museum of Modern Art), the logic goes, it's good enough for VC-funded startups. I found one review calling it the Ferrari of seating. The lingo that promotes the Aeron is amazing. Instead of sitting on foam, you sit on "high-tensile open polyester mesh." There's a "Pellicle suspension" that makes you feel oh-so-comfy. You can even adjust the "Kinemat Tilt," which probably doesn't exist on that $79.99 chair you bought at Office Depot. Ha! Herman Miller released the Aeron in 1995 to the cheers of the design community. Its expense was (and is) justified because it supposedly makes the work environment far more comfortable and eco-friendly than reasonably-priced models. Aeron's timing came just in time for the dot-com boom and grabbed the ear of people who thought about building a "work environment" instead of an office. So it became a status symbol next to catered meals and expensive flat-screen monitors as a sign of flash and indulgence. Today, the Aeron is a shared joke. Silicon Valley consultant Nish Nadaraja told the San Jose Mercury News that he was forced to accept Aeron chairs in lieu of payment from startup clients who were running out of money. Even after the crash, the Aeron chair is still available through Herman Miller and its dealers. It survives as a reminder that people are supposed to wait until after they succeed in business before splurging on luxury goods. Chris Stamper has been through more dot-coms than a rabid venture capitalist. His site is Stamper.com and his webcast is Oldies109.com. (c) 2001 Chris Stamper, used by permission.   Posted Comments: post a comment! Name: Email: Comment: Name: Phil Email: Date: Sun May 20 17:34:03 2001 Comment: I know I am in the minority here.I can name you many things that are or were excessive in different company's spending. Aeron chairs for people who sit for long periods at a time are not one of them. I have been developing software since the 1970s (Games, Military, Billing systems, OSS, the whole gamut). The Aeron chair (I bought one for myself) is worth every penny. I have worked with many different chairs over the years. The Aeron allows me to work longer, harder and better. Personally I think companies are narrowminded to spend thousands for a computer for the desktop and be unwilling to spend hundreds to make the person using it functional for the long haul. The people who most appreciate the functionality of the Aeron chair are developers, those who appreciate it the least do not have to sit for 18 hour days emitting complex software, or think it is just designed the way it is for looks. Of course a good 400 chair is fine for 8-12 hours at a time, but what is 300 for years of superior function and productivity?[Guess too much if you don't have a real business plan or just think programmers work like sales staff or managers do] Name: Email: Date: Fri May 11 18:23:22 2001 Comment: >I think the consensus is that Adam Smith should S.T.F.U. Yeah, that damned invisible hand is giving the world a big reacharound now... ouch. Name: LOL Email: Date: Fri May 11 17:09:50 2001 Comment: I think the consensus is that Adam Smith should S.T.F.U. and you don't get near me with that invisible hand god knows where it's been! Name: stevegilliard Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com Date: Fri May 11 08:37:32 2001 Comment: The reality is that Aerons are not that much more expensive than top end office chairs. A decent foam backed chair is going to be nearly 300 bucks, a leather chair almost 400. So a used aeron is not outrageously expensive. When I bought an office chair, I paid well over 200 for mine out of Office Max. So a used aeron around 350 would be a great deal. But the problem is that when you buy 80 of them new, you have wasted a shitload of money. Name: ArtFart Email: artm@axenhammer.com Date: Fri May 11 03:02:23 2001 Comment: Where the fuck is Charles Eames now that we need him? Name: Thomas Muntzer Email: muntzer@peasantsrevolt.com Date: Thu May 10 22:31:30 2001 Comment: blank: Two sentences of pure gold. Weak people see reality as harsh and predatory. (WHY does reality always have to be cold and hard? I think it says a lot about the state or our moral / aesthetic development, no?) Name: Email: Date: Thu May 10 16:26:22 2001 Comment: speaking of the importance of Aerons, just saw this ad today at silicon alley reporter: Need Space With Phones, Desks and T-1 in a Hurry? 8400 SF prime office space, top floor location for $16,500 per month. Already installed: air conditioning, electricity, T-1, highest grade LAN, 100 seat phone system. Move in ready with Herman Miller furnishings and elegant Seaport location on pedestrian mall with all amenities. Many offices and open seating arrangements, and both a fully equipped conference room and kitchen. Available until September 2002. Call Joanne for appointment: 212.981.6381. You got to see it to believe it! Name: Email: Date: Thu May 10 16:13:40 2001 Comment: WHY does reality always have to be cold and hard? I think it says a lot about the state or our moral / aesthetic development, no? Name: vonbek Email: vbek@operamail.com Date: Thu May 10 12:38:03 2001 Comment: Adam - You should have had your card punched years ago. To make sweeping generalisations like that (of dotcommers) are pretty silly. I've been in the game professionaly for about 10 years or so and been PC'ing since the mid 70's. This was the time when my old man did his Comp Sci Phud and I used to go down to the data centre with him and his punched cards and I know what a nightmare it is to compile a Fortran or Cobol run, let alone getting the damn things to be read properly. To say that people who have not seen an office without computers who happen to work in dotcoms are totaly useless is complete bollocks. I've worked with collegues a decade younger than myself, who are brilliant at what they do. I am not a coder...I do networks so it might be different in that arena but I seriously doubt it. I cannot believe the ignorance of that statement! Mind you it is no different than what I have said about managers (as in BA's,PM's,CP's, fucking HK FHE F DJFID and DF!!!) yeech! so go figure!:-) Troll - wtf are you on about? Private account? wtf do you mean by that? I think you mean 'don't surf the web while you are earning my tax dolloars'? Thats fucking funny but they do say Trolls are pretty dull and dimwitted due to the rocks in their heads. God Complex - Damn right! on both counts!:-) Name: Email: Date: Thu May 10 12:22:26 2001 Comment: The silly chairs provide an inscrutable symbol of a vapid age. Name: Email: Date: Thu May 10 11:54:49 2001 Comment: Dude, if there were a Java compiler available for my TI C6xs I'd consider using it. They've barely got a C++ compiler. Until then, it really is not a big part of the embedded stuff I work with. But if you prefer to think I don't know shit, then that's fine. I know a lot of bright hardware and embedded engineers who work for startups (like me, frex) but those aren't the same as dotcoms. Name: steve gilliard Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com Date: Thu May 10 11:32:00 2001 Comment: Embedded Java is a nice tool, but the cold hard reality is that the best and the brightest hardware people were scooped up by the dotcom folks and the hacker elite are now the linux elite. Name: steve gilliard Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com Date: Thu May 10 11:31:59 2001 Comment: Embedded Java is a nice tool, but the cold hard reality is that the best and the brightest hardware people were scooped up by the dotcom folks and the hacker elite are now the linux elite. Name: Kernel Panic Email: Date: Thu May 10 09:50:11 2001 Comment: If you think that java is NOT a large part of the embedded market....you're obviously not in the embedded market. Certianly not in any technical capacity anyway. Name: Email: Date: Thu May 10 07:54:52 2001 Comment: The IT world has changed and there are two sources for the truly talented, one is the linux world, the other, dotcoms. ** OK, I guess my embedded friends and I should go learn Java then. Name: Email: Date: Thu May 10 02:18:44 2001 Comment: >Of course, I contunially suggested we go with the Homer Simpson solution. Office Hammocks. Some dotcoms actually did something very similar. Seattle e-tailer Onvia had bunk beds installed to keep people from sleeping under their desks (they'd inhale dustbunnies, and become sick/unproductive/etc.). Name: TROLL Email: Date: Thu May 10 01:01:47 2001 Comment: Adam. I noticed that you're posting here from a onr.navy.mil In other words, you're spending MY tax money to spout. Please use a private account from now on. Name: Supersaturated Email: Date: Thu May 10 00:55:51 2001 Comment: They are comfortable, but not 800$ worth. Name: God Complex Email: godomplex@mindspring.com Date: Thu May 10 00:53:00 2001 Comment: I've been doing phone tech support for 2 years, one of them in an Aeron chair. Personally, I would have perferred my company paid us the bonus we were promised year before last than buy 5000 of the $800.00 pieces of crap (guess which they did). Don't get me wrong, they ARE nice chairs, but the example of the $3200 coffie maker lends this question: If it costs that much then WHY NOT GO WITHOUT IT? The comforts of life are just that, comforts. Of course, I contunially suggested we go with the Homer Simpson solution. Office Hammocks. Name: Kernel Panic Email: Date: Wed May 9 21:15:45 2001 Comment: Adam: My first experience was on an IBM 7250 Mag Card machine. Bet you don't remember those hugh? I also said from day 1 that the dot com boom was merely a bubble. But you're just a prick. Who gives a big fat hairy rat's ass whom you hire? I hire IT staff too. Good! Send your "fsck"ing, iptables writing, beowulf clustering loosers over to me. I'll take all you have! DICK! My son could toor any box you've ever dreamed of trying to "admin". 100% of his experience is in the "Dot Com" field. You just plain suck. Name: Contrarian Email: Date: Wed May 9 19:30:16 2001 Comment: Monitors and Eyestrain Start->Settings->Control Panel->Display->Settings->Advanced Look at the refresh rate on your monitor. Crank it up to about 85Hz. at whatever screen size you use. If your monitor can't handle it, it should be replaced. Those "flat CRTS" are a nice middle way between old-style monitors and flat panels. Name: Dr. Phil Email: Date: Wed May 9 19:20:01 2001 Comment: Foo, Right on to that! I got prescription glasses in 1985, for the first time, after sitting in front of a CRT for a year in my office. I don?t need them anymore after switching to a notebook with a 15 inch LCD. No flicker, no glare, no glasses. Name: steve gilliard Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com Date: Wed May 9 19:09:31 2001 Comment: Adam, You toss people with dotcom experience in the trash? You're an idiot. The IT world has changed and there are two sources for the truly talented, one is the linux world, the other, dotcoms. The problem wasn't the coders or the network guys or the writers. It was the top management and the designers, who for the most part got their way when they shouldn't have. Now, if you see a web consultancy on a resume, that's a different story. But if you get some kid who worked at Yahoo or amazon and did networking or coding across those networks, it's your loss. Don't sneer when you should listen. Name: Foo Email: Date: Wed May 9 18:23:31 2001 Comment: Aeron chairs are comfortable as hell; that's like saying that BMW's are shit 'cause greedy yuppies in the 80's had 'em. Flat screens rock too. Mine's only 15" but I don't regret a penny of its $999 purchase price a year ago. No eye fatigue for this fella. Name: Anonoman Email: Date: Wed May 9 17:15:16 2001 Comment: Guess what? In an airplane at 30,000 feet (70,000 is only for U2 spy planes) you are trapped in a thin aluminum cylinder, probably going 500 knots and totally dependent on it for your continued existence at that point. There is NO WAY you want a cheap coffee maker (IE: Mr. Coffee) on a airliner. A smokey fire, meltdown, or other screw up and you're breathing toxic fumes or worse. I won't fly in an airplane unless the coffee maker is at least $3000! Name: Secret Email: Date: Wed May 9 17:13:02 2001 Comment: Hey wheres the bbs? Now what will I ever do? Come on guys... lets get it together Name: twisted sistah Email: bitemybeaver@hotmail.com Date: Wed May 9 17:02:58 2001 Comment: And don't get me started on where the young MBA's (Master Bullshit Artists) shoulda been spending their money. I recently got dicked over by a place that fired almost half of its producers (ie of the product they were selling) in order to hire more sales flunkies...who now are bitching that the latest release of said product isn't ready yet, because guess what they fired all the fucking producers! The kicker on this whole thing is that the place is housed in super-pricey real estate, packed on several floors with Aeron chairs and flat-screen monitors....which are now at empty desks....I looked at the budget for what a freelance producer to get shit in on deadline would have cost, and guess what...if you cashed out the original purchase price of ONE complete workstation (chair, screen, computer) it would have covered 6 weeks for a dedicated professional in that company's field....just ONE.... I want to see the hiring manager there homeless, in a tent, sitting on one Aeron chair and burning a pile of the rest of them to keep warm....along with all those fucking flat screen monitors.... --TS Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 16:59:35 2001 Comment: These chairs are also tough on clothes. The mesh serves as a fine serrated surface for your clothing that is in contact with it. Have one chair and the opportunity to purchase a new wardrobe worth of pants. Name: twisted sistah Email: bitemybeaver@hotmail.com Date: Wed May 9 16:57:34 2001 Comment: Adam Smith: *yawn* another obnoxious old hippie in IT who has too many years of accrued benefits to fire. So what else is new? Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 16:46:41 2001 Comment: There is some logic to the current most recent on top format: you can see right away what?s new, hmmm. Name: Ettischek Email: Date: Wed May 9 16:18:00 2001 Comment: Re: Matthew Re: 600 toilet seat..you guys got it all wrong..the seat costs 600 bucks because they had to pay guys like me to write and revise the military toilet seat specifications and the toilet seat aquisitions and procurement plan..that took about seven guys at about 50k a year...and you're not even talking about the EEOC compliance plan, the environmantal impact study..get real. at 600 bucks per, these seats were a bargain... Name: Linda Email: ljl@rahul.net Date: Wed May 9 16:09:29 2001 Comment: Geez. I like aeron chairs, but then again, I have mobility and back problems. If anyone in Silicon Valley wants to get rid of 1 or 2 for $50 apiece I'd take 'em. (I can't afford more) Right now we're using those old "tank" chairs at my house, and they're dieing. Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 16:02:36 2001 Comment: >>"I've often wondered that too -- why does this site show most recent postings at the top?" I bet it's because they are appending text to the beginning of a flat file with fopen("some.txt","r+")or equivalent. The file function should be set to "a+". I'll code it in php for a new Aeron! No wait...an Aeron AND a scooby snack. Name: Matthew Saroff Email: msaroff@pobox.com Date: Wed May 9 15:46:49 2001 Comment: Let's be more specific on the $600 toilet seat and the $3000 coffee maker. The $3000 coffee maker was/is used on airliners, where it goes for $3250 (the military version lacked some bells and whistles). You don't want hot coffee, hot water, or a coffee pot flying around the cabin during a hard landing. The $600 toilet seat was not a seat that you sat on, but a seat for the toilet assembly. It was a fiberglass shroud about 1/2 the size of a VW Beetle. Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 15:36:44 2001 Comment: >I'd like to see someone put some small rockets on one and see how fast they can go. This would make for a great Survival Research Laboratories project. Name: Boris K. Fabian Email: Date: Wed May 9 15:33:52 2001 Comment: I sit on a barrel. You're all a buncha pussies Name: junior birdman Email: Date: Wed May 9 15:30:12 2001 Comment: >they had to boil water to make coffee at 70,000 feet above sea level. C'mon. Any off-the shelf cappacino maker from Sears would be able to boil water at 70,000 feet, as long as the cabin is pressurized. Name: Adam Smith Email: Date: Wed May 9 15:21:42 2001 Comment: Actually, bucko, that $640 toilet seat cost so much because it had to be designed to withstand 5 g's with a 200-pound B-52 bomber crewman sitting on it. And your price for the coffee maker is wrong - they were about $3,000 and cost that much because they had to boil water to make coffee at 70,000 feet above sea level. But I agree that the Aeron chairs really are an example of stupidity and excess. That's what the dot-com boom was all about. I, for one, am glad it's over, and I hope you bozos all end up working at McDonald's - that's where most of you should have been in the first place. I've been in IT since punch cards, kids, and you were really insufferable, strutting little snot-nosed pricks. I was telling people this was nothing but a speculative bubble and they were like "oh, he just doesn't get it." Wrong. You didn't. Now, repeat after me: "You want fries with that?" P.S. I do plenty of hiring at my IT firm and any resume with dot-com experience on it goes directly in the trash. Get it now? Name: youngin Email: Date: Wed May 9 14:52:57 2001 Comment: I'd like to see someone put some small rockets on one and see how fast they can go. Name: Bill Volk Email: bvolk@youworkit.com Date: Wed May 9 14:46:51 2001 Comment: I think we should gather up 100 or so Aeron chairs and laid-off dot-com'ers ... and have a downhill race on Sand Hill Rd. in Palo Alto CA. Call the media ... I hear "National Television Coverage" on this one! Name: youngin Email: Date: Wed May 9 14:42:11 2001 Comment: I just walked into the bosses office and lo and behold she has an aeron or similar chair, I can't actually see a name on it and its not one of those ones with the arm rests and things but it looks like the pictures. Anyway sat in it and thought to myself, for a chair that costs more than most people take home each week, it sure does nothing spectacular, kinda like my boss i guess. maybe thats why i handed in my resignation the other day. Planning on spending the next couple of months watching tv sitting on my girlfriends futon, another of those designer comforts that in the end are a big waste of time, the futon that is. Name: doggywhirl Email: Date: Wed May 9 14:37:18 2001 Comment: Hey Heedless, Haw, hee haaaaw Name: heedlesshouseman Email: Date: Wed May 9 14:02:53 2001 Comment: The Mighty Sparrow, King of Calypso, wrote an instructive song about *seating* back in the 1970?s. It rhymed, of course, but the story went like this: A dim-witted donkey goes to the stadium to attend a major event where the highlight will be an important speech by the prime minister himself. He finds a bench with a good view of the dais, but a peacock sits in front of him, blocking his sight line. So, he finds another bench, higher up in the bleaches. But, after he is seated, he notices a family of skunks in that vicinity, and moves on again. He finally gets settled at a decent spot, when an elephant sits in front of him, opening a big umbrella for shade, totally blocking everything. He taps the elephant on the shoulder, asking him for some consideration, and the elephant grabs him with his trunk and hurls him over the stadium walls into the street below. The donkey brushes himself off, calls it a day, and decides to go home. A neighbor meets him near his compound and says, ?I notice your coming from town. Please tell me, what the Prime Minister had to say?? ?I don?t know,? the donkey answers. ?What do you mean? You were there weren?t you?? ?Yes, I was there, but I wasn?t well seated.? Name: dardan Email: Date: Wed May 9 13:57:48 2001 Comment: > the cult of design, ergonomic fundamentalism and rabid devotion to the newest and coolest Industrial design folks go ape-shit for this. Here, they're building GUI's, with no practical use at all. Looks good, functions like shit. All this bourgeois impractical nonsense costs lots becomes nothing more than a cultural curiosity when it becomes "retro" again... all the while someone gets designer salaries. Why do these people have influence? Are we that much in awe by shit we don't understand? Name: vonbek Email: Date: Wed May 9 13:09:46 2001 Comment: gotta admit the make great steeds for chair jousting:-) Only downside is that you can't really hurl yourself into these chairs...they either go flying down the open plan officewith you waving your arms franticaly or the bastard things fall over! personally...what a fugging waste of dosh Name: newcenturion Email: Date: Wed May 9 12:54:09 2001 Comment: Speaking about home work and comfort. I?m a Black American with an open mind to the future. I don?t give a shit about reparations since it?s a non-starter, a distracter, it just ain?t gonna happen. But, it?s funny how small details about our inhumanity to one another can make you flinch. I?m not thinking about the horrible whippings and mutilations for insubordination, mind you. What made me glad to be living in this century was the testimony of a slave in a collection of oral histories I recently read who said that the household servants regularly slept on the floor. Imagine, after a back-breaking day of washing clothes, scrubbing floors, hauling water, cooking and serving food --from sun up to sun down?to be told to curl up like a dog in a corner. *I AM A MAN* was a popular theme printed on many abolitionist posters back then. Lordy, Lordy, yes, in some ways we have made progress. BTW, I currently use a chair in my home office marked, Matrix/Kreuger/Green Bay. It is simple in design, sturdy and flexible. I probably sit in it up to four hours a day with no problems. It?s the only thing that will comfortably seat several big-ass friends of mine in the 250 lb plus weight class. It?s a godsend. I have no idea what it cost. My brother found a set of four neatly stacked on the pavement in front of a state office building, probably replaced by Aerons. Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 12:42:09 2001 Comment: but if you're doing anything but sitting back and relaxing their the most uncomfortable thing in the world. I Agree! Anyway, you should be leaning _forward_, grimacing as you read your e-mail, keeping your weight on the balls of your feet. Any good uncomfortable chair lets you spring up quickly without worrying about damaging those silly Aeron armrests. This way, you can easily pop over your cube wall, yell at somebody across the bullpen, and settle back into a seated position without missing a beat. Name: yougin Email: Date: Wed May 9 11:49:41 2001 Comment: anyone that finds any chair comfortable is sitting on their arse doing jack shit all day. I do tech support on the grave shift with not much to do but browse and the $30 chair i've got is comfort enough. I've never sat in one of these aeron chairs so all I can think of is a bean bag, their very comfy once you position yourself right but if your doing anything but sitting back and relaxing their the most uncomfortable thing in the world. Name: steve gilliard Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com Date: Wed May 9 11:44:36 2001 Comment: The current Aeron price is about $365 on eBay. I think the best thing to do is to get to a real auction and expect to pay about 300 for it. The fact is that 300 is a bargain and even a good regular office chair is going to cost as much if not more. A's are cheaper than B's and C's at auction, but the reality is that they are a sought after item and even at the 600 some auctions bring, it's still hundreds cheaper than it would be as a straight purpose. The other way to acquire an Aeron is to simply ask around and ask if anyone has been paid in aerons, that guy in the article is not the only one, and offer a quick 200-300 to take it off their hands. They aren't going to want to dick around with eBay Name: ebroke Email: Date: Wed May 9 11:12:42 2001 Comment: Here you go, they claim this is the last dotcon leftover: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=587399325 Name: krib Email: Date: Wed May 9 11:04:09 2001 Comment: heh - are you kidding - the "newest post on top" is a stroke of genius. It saves me from scrolling to the bottom to read the new stuff - a real hassle with a long post. Good job, whoever you guys are... saves wear and tear on my mouse hand. Name: Eric A Email: Date: Wed May 9 10:57:33 2001 Comment: They are working hard at upgrading the software that the site runs on. Be patient and the improved Netslaves will have most of what people have asked for. Name: Skeezer Email: Date: Wed May 9 10:25:54 2001 Comment: I've often wondered that too -- why does this site show most recent postings at the top? I always have to read it by scrolling down to the very bottom and then moving backwards up to the top. Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 09:37:15 2001 Comment: ... with a bad back ... - sorry haven't had my coffee yet - and home come this board shows most recent posting first? Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 09:29:11 2001 Comment: Being a heavy man with a bad bad, I wouldn't mind an Aeron after years of bad chairs left over from the green shag carpet era. Maybe I'll try to pick up a Large model cheap instead of paying 800 for a new one. Name: Brummbar Email: brummbar@optonline.net Date: Wed May 9 08:38:45 2001 Comment: Let's not forget that landfill of Apple Lisas. Or the one filled with Atari ET carts. Hell, someone should write a book about these sites. Name: bourgeois_pig Email: spend@thrift.com Date: Wed May 9 08:10:34 2001 Comment: I own seven, count them, seven Aeron chairs. I carry two in the back of my Mercedes SUV so that when I go camping I have something to sit around the fire betweem trysts with my trophy mistress in my 3,000.00 geodesic dome tent, we have a special 500.oo pack for her high heels. . . Name: steve gilliard Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com Date: Wed May 9 06:35:55 2001 Comment: Aerons are good tools for people who sit on their ass all day, but when I walk into a place where EVERY chair is an Aeron......wtf. Fucking waste of money and effort. Name: SecretAgent Email: Date: Wed May 9 03:01:47 2001 Comment: "well, my sorry ass is sitting in a steel folding chair. but that's because I work at home. This is where us home workers really miss out..." Go shell out 200 clams and buy yo ass a nice chair! Your ass desreves it Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 02:40:05 2001 Comment: http://nytimes.com/2001/05/09/technology/09CISC.html Aeron chairs at $75 a piece? Check this out - Cisco may scrap up to $2.5 Billion (that's right) worth of inventory. This hasn't been done on such a large scale since IBM ploughed thousands of PC Juniors into a Texas landfill. Talk about waste... Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 02:15:04 2001 Comment: well, my sorry ass is sitting in a steel folding chair. but that's because I work at home. This is where us home workers really miss out... Name: SecretAgent Email: Date: Wed May 9 02:10:36 2001 Comment: Aeron chairs rock! Ny ASS feels wonderfun in an Aeron. I use my bosses all the time. Name: Email: Date: Wed May 9 02:10:01 2001 Comment: they're becoming a form of currency. At this rate, I'm owed at least 8 of them...