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How to Read a 10Q: LoudCloud
Posted Thu May 3 11:00:03 2001 by sbaldwin

By Steve Gilliard

Source Document: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1100813/
000101287001500434/0001012870-01-500434.txt


We offer businesses a new class of Internet
infrastructure services using our Opsware technology,
which automates formerly manual tasks, such as
configuring and managing a customer's operations
infrastructure, thereby reducing the amount of manual
intervention required. These services, which we call
Smart Cloud(TM) services, include those required to
deploy, maintain and grow Internet operations. This
fully outsourced solution enables our customers to
increase or reduce their Internet operations capacity
as business needs dictate. Our Smart Cloud services
enable our customers to benefit from reliable,
high-quality Internet operations, which can grow to
accommodate increasing business needs, without
undertaking the difficulty and expense associated with
building the required expertise in-house.

We are a high falutin' Web hostin' kind of company. You will pay us a lot of money to use our software, which seems to have had its genesis in technologies Netscape was using in 1996. We want you to contract out your Web hosting needs and rely on us. Did we say we were based in California? Did we say our CEO has no real experience in business, unless you count hype? Oh, we didn't? Sorry

We provide our Smart Cloud services through the
Loudcloud Infrastructure Network, which allows us to
consistently deploy operations capacity for our
customers across multiple locations and to maintain
that infrastructure through a centralized network
operations center. Central to the operation of our
Loudcloud Infrastructure Network is our Opsware
technology, which is located in a number of
interconnected third-party data centers.

Which costs a whole lot of money to use, costs it's likely we're gonna pass on to you, someday soon.

Even as companies have increased their investments
in Internet infrastructure, the complexity of
successfully deploying and maintaining Internet
operations continues to increase. In particular, the
software infrastructure required to deploy and
maintain large-scale Internet operations has become
increasingly complex. For example, businesses
deploying large-scale Internet operations can choose
from multiple software applications with varying
levels of functionality, including transaction
processing, personalization and enterprise systems
integration. In addition, with increasing
globalization, businesses often must maintain their
operations in multiple locations and design their
infrastructure to accommodate local standards, while
remaining synchronous with operations in other
geographies.

The in-house expertise required to meet these
challenges is significant and typically requires a
host of technical specialists, including network
administrators, systems administrators, database
administrators, security experts, monitoring and
management experts, project managers, software
operations specialists, troubleshooting specialists
and performance engineers. It is often difficult, time
consuming and costly to hire and retain these experts.

And it costs a lot of money to outsource as well. As eWeek wrote in their latest issue, many companies made the mistake of outsourcing to MSP's which then went out of business. There is no assurance, despite spending millions to outsource your IT needs with any MSP. that in the end, you'll have to have in-house resources anyway.

Additional Services

Access Control Cloud(TM) Service. Our Access
Control Cloud service enables customers to utilize
data stored in our Directory Cloud service to
implement authentication and authorization services
for their web sites. Using this service, customers can
securely manage access to their web site resources and
allow their end users to have a single sign-on, while
centralizing the administration of privileges. Our
Access Control Cloud service uses Netegrity's
SiteMinder product.

Content Distribution Cloud(TM) Service. Our Content
Distribution Cloud service allows customers to reduce
the time required to download content from their web
sites, thereby enhancing the end-user experience.
Powered by Akamai's FreeFlow service, our Content
Distribution Cloud service can increase the number and
diversity of users supported by a particular web site
by routing Internet users to the closest, most
available server from which the desired content may be
accessed.

Directory Cloud(TM) Service. Our Directory Cloud
service provides customers with the ability to
centralize user and group information in a single
directory store that can be rapidly accessed by
applications deployed by customers. This service uses
Sun Microsystems' iPlanet Directory Server software.

File Transfer Cloud(TM) Service. Our File Transfer
Cloud service enables customers to receive files via
file transfer protocol and to store these files in a
reliable, secure repository. Access is restricted to
designated directories and files for specific
customers, which enhances the security and integrity
of sensitive data.

Global Recovery Cloud(TM) Service. Through our
Global Recovery Cloud service, we create a standby
site architecture for our customers, which provides a
geographically distinct, yet fully functional site in
standby mode. Through our Opsware automation
technology, we can rapidly transition to the standby
site in the event of a natural disaster or data center
failure.

Global Response Cloud(TM) Service. Our Global
Response Cloud service allows customers to monitor the
amount of time it takes for their Internet pages to
load. Customers can use these metrics to proactively
change site design and content to improve performance,
thereby helping to maintain a positive end- user
experience. Customers can measure performance from
various geographic locations, compare performance to
competitors or to key indices and track performance
across various networks. This service uses Keynote
Systems software.

Mail Cloud(TM) Service. Our Mail Cloud service
provides a secure, outbound e-mail service that
enables businesses to communicate effectively with
their customers and partners. This service relieves
customers from managing, securing and scaling complex
Internet mail routing technology.

Storage Cloud(TM) Service. Our Storage Cloud
service enables customers to access multiple storage
solutions for both content and database class
solutions. This service offers customers two highly
available storage architectures: network attached
storage and storage area network solutions. This
service uses high performance fibre channel
architecture.

Streaming Cloud(TM) Service. Our Streaming Cloud
service enables customers to provide high quality
broadcasting of video-on-demand content to their end
users. Our Streaming Cloud service speeds the delivery
of streaming content and optimizes the quality of the
video to promote a high-quality end-user experience.
This service uses Akamai's FreeFlow service.

Stress Cloud(TM) Service. Our Stress Cloud service
enables customers to determine and improve the
reliability and scalability of their Internet
architecture. This service simulates production-level
traffic to customer sites for an analysis of capacity
bottlenecks in the architecture both before and after
deployment. Our Stress Cloud service uses Mercury
Interactive's Loadrunner software.

Transaction Response Cloud(TM) Service. Our
Transaction Response Cloud service provides customers
with the ability to monitor and measure their site's
performance. Through online reports and alerts,
customers can track the performance of their site in
real time. This service uses Mercury Interactive's
Topaz software.

General Support Services. We offer general support
services for customers that want to use technology
that we do not currently support. If a customer
selects general support services, the customer is
responsible for procuring and managing the necessary
software above the operating system level while we
physically maintain and monitor the server operating
environment.

All of these services are relying on specific proprietary technologies, which, if the company decides to change the software, could cause a daisy chain reaction to the companies relying on them. Put another way, all of these clouds might float away from your company. Also, if you like one solution, Loudcloud could change to another solution without asking or getting your agreement. You buy their solutions, you're going have to live with their choices. One has to ask how much will deploying these solutions cost across the board and why they can't be used in house. Look, this is just hopped-up Web hosting. Web hosting on the industrial scale. If you rely on Loudcloud solutions, you are bound by their decisions. That takes a lot of faith.

Technology and Infrastructure

Central to the operation of our Loudcloud
Infrastructure Network is our Opsware technology. This
technology consists of software and systems that
automate the many tasks required to maintain the
Loudcloud Infrastructure Network. Our Opsware
technology requires no modifications to existing
customer code and provides the following
functionality:

Deployment. We designed our Opsware technology to
automate the deployment and configuration of our
customers' operational environments. For example, our
Opsware technology can automatically and remotely
configure servers as needed by a particular customer.
Our Opsware technology also consistently configures
the various components of the operational environment
to ensure, for example, that a customer's networking
devices are configured appropriately to interact with
the hardware running in the environment. We believe
that this functionality allows us to configure
equipment in less time and with more consistent
quality than if the process were done manually. In
addition, our Opsware technology permits us to deliver
our services in multiple locations, without having to
maintain a full operations presence in each location.

Scaling. Our Opsware technology maintains a central
repository of data pertaining to the operations of our
customer environments. Because our Opsware technology
maintains this customer-specific data, whenever a
customer requires additional capacity in the
environment, our Opsware technology can automatically
deploy new servers and configure them to the
specifications of the customer's existing environment.
This functionality, in conjunction with our
procurement process and vendor relationships, enables
us to offer our customers the ability to deploy the
capacity that their environment requires and adjust
capacity as their needs change. Further, our ability
to re-create a customer's environment allows us to
consistently manage a customer's multiple sites across
a number of geographies and to extend the Loudcloud
Infrastructure Network by rapidly cloning
installations in new geographies.

Advanced configuration management. We have built
into our Opsware technology advanced configuration
management functionality designed to enhance the
consistency and reliability of our Smart Cloud
services. For example, our Opsware technology
maintains a repository of customer data and operations
configurations, as well as their cross-system
dependencies, to enable us to re-provision a customer
in a new environment in the event of a failure in the
customer's existing location. This same functionality
also allows us to roll back a customer's operational
environment to a previous version in the event that a
change to the operational environment--for example,
introducing a new version of application server
software or updating new customer code-- adversely
affects the performance of the environment.

Ongoing monitoring and maintenance. Using our
Opsware technology, we provide comprehensive
monitoring and maintenance of our customers'
environments, from the network layer through the
application layer. The metrics that our Opsware
technology monitors are designed to maintain and
verify the integrity and quality of the infrastructure
and customer data and to proactively detect
performance problems. In addition, the technology
assists us in preventing, detecting, responding to and
auditing security breaches. We have designed our
Opsware technology to extend the scope of monitoring
capabilities beyond those generally provided by
standard monitoring tools. We provide a comprehensive,
uniform approach to monitoring across multiple levels
of the Internet infrastructure to help identify
performance bottlenecks and detect and diagnose
failures. In addition, through the myLoudcloud portal,
our customers can access a variety of reports and
services which enables them to view information and
monitor the performance of the infrastructure we
provide them.

What happens to the user when they buy into internal software which happens to conflict with Opsware? Are they going to be tied to Opsware exclusive solutions across the board? This is a stealth issue. It doesn't hit you over the head until you find Opsware and Opsware-friendly solutions borged throughout your company's IT structure. When you buy into a solution like this, it may seem simple at first, but it could tie your company to Loudcloud in ways you had not planned.

Customers

Our customers include established enterprises,
application service providers and Internet-based
businesses. Currently, our customers include BlackHog,
Blockbuster, Brocade Communication Systems, Fannie
Mae, Flywheel Communications, Ford Motor Company,
Juniper Financial, The News Corporation Limited, The
Post Office (U.K.), SkillsVillage.com, Univision
Online and USA Today.

Not exactly what they had in mind. Anyone with brains realizes that this company was supposed to serve a raft of e-commerce shops where the company wanted to focus on keeping their in-house IT needs under control. When the company was created, it was clearly designed to serve a market whose demise is now amply chronicled on Fucked Company. Without the dotcom base of clients, Loudcloud faces IT departments looking at both the bottom line as well as the quality of the services provided. Keep in mind, this is Web hosting, not nuclear science. This is a glutted market with plenty of room for a shakeout.

Data Center Providers. We have contractual
arrangements with several data center providers,
including AT&T, Equinix and Exodus Communications. We
utilize the facilities of our data center providers to
deploy our customers.

Exodus has had their problems as well of late.

Internet Systems Integrators. We have entered into
joint marketing and lead referral relationships with a
number of Internet systems integrators, including
Accenture, AnswerThink, Cognizant Technology
Solutions, Lante, Oracle Consulting, Organic,
Proxicom, Razorfish and Zefer. Lead referral
relationships are those relationships through which we
compensate a third party for providing us a qualified
sales lead. In addition, we have entered into an
agreement with Viant through which we and Viant will
offer integrated business management, application
management and infrastructure services

What is this? The Fucked Company Hall of Shame? It is a good bet that many of these companies will not live to see the World Series. Making deals with them might not be the wisest course.

Sales and Marketing

We sell and market our services in the United
States and Europe primarily through a direct sales
force and indirectly through our sales and marketing
channels. Our sales and marketing channels are
comprised of those companies with whom we have
developed sales referral programs, including
Accenture, Akamai, AnswerThink, BEA, Cisco, Cognizant
Technology Solutions, Compaq, Emerging.com, Lante,
Oracle Consulting, Organic, Proxicom, Razorfish, Sun
Microsystems, Viant and Zefer. We have a European
sales office in the United Kingdom and sales
representatives located in France and Germany.

Doesn't this seem like a potential conflict of interest? Someone goes to a consultant and asks for a range of options, and guess who pops up in the mix? Should a consultant have a stake in any solutions they offer to the client?

Many of our competitors have longer operating
histories, significantly greater financial, technical,
and other resources, or greater name recognition than
we do. Our competitors may be able to respond more
quickly to new or emerging technologies and changes in
customer requirements. Competition could seriously
harm our ability to sell additional services on terms
favorable to us. Competitive pressures could cause us
to lose market share or to reduce the price of our
services, either of which could harm our business,
financial condition and operating results.

If this is the case, then why use Loudcloud? Andreesen's scary business skills?

Employees

As of March 31, 2001, we had 627 full-time
employees. Our future success will depend upon our
ability to attract, integrate, retain and motivate
highly qualified technical and management personnel,
for whom competition is intense. None of our employees
is covered by a collective bargaining agreement. We
believe our relations with our employees are good.

As of May 1, subtract 122 people from that.

We paid to the underwriters underwriting discounts and
commissions totaling $12,075,000 in connection with
the offering. In addition, we estimate that we
incurred additional expenses of approximately
$1,600,000 in connection with the offering, which when
added to the underwriting discounts and commissions
paid by us, amounts to total estimated expenses of
$13,675,000. Thus, the net offering proceeds to us
(after deducting underwriting discounts and
commissions and offering expenses) were approximately
$158,825,000. No offering expenses were paid directly
or indirectly to any of our directors or officers (or
their associates), or persons owning ten percent (10%)
or more of any class of our equity securities or to
any other affiliates.

It's good to underwrite IPO's. Even if the company has no track record worth mentioning. Oh, and my bet is that Loudcloud won't be issuing a second round any time soon, if ever.

We generally guarantee 100% scheduled uptime to our
customers on a monthly basis. We reduce revenue for
estimated credits given for unscheduled downtime at
the end of each month. We do not currently resell
equipment or software to our customers. Furthermore,
bandwidth billings to customers are included in net
revenue and bandwidth costs to third-party suppliers
are included in cost of revenue

Generally? Well, that's nice. I'm paying out the ass for this service and they kinda promise 100 percent uptime. That ain't 100 percent of anything. Mean Time Between Failure Rate is the standard here and usually goes to 99.999 percent of the time.

In February 2001, we entered into a marketing alliance
agreement with Accenture. Accenture is entitled to
receive marketing assistance fees and has been issued
a warrant to purchase up to 250,000 shares of our
common stock. Warrants issued to Accenture vest
contingently. A specified number of warrants fully
vest and become immediately exercisable and
non-forfeitable upon the signing of a contract between
us and a new customer referred to us by Accenture. The
warrants can be earned through the termination of the
agreement in February 2004, and vested warrants expire
on February 28, 2006.

And Accenture will not specifically recommend Loudcloud to their clients if it doesn't fit their business model. No conflict there.

Net revenue. Net revenue was $15.5 million during
the year ended January 31, 2001. We did not generate
any revenue during the period from inception to
January 31, 2000. Net revenue increased as a result of
the deployment of customers and an increased demand
for our services due to the growth of our direct sales
force.

As of January 31, 2001, we had an accumulated deficit
of $239.0 million, which includes approximately $144.0
million related to non-cash deferred stock
compensation and a non-cash deemed dividend on Series
C preferred stock.

We expect to increase our operating expenses in the
future. To achieve operating profitability, we will
need to increase our customer base and revenue and
decrease our costs per customer. We may not be able to
increase our revenue or increase our operating
efficiencies in this manner.

Are you kidding me? This is a company which took in $15m and lost $239m? One could conclude that Opsware is not exactly blazing a trail in hosting services. My God, this company is spending money left, right and center. They're canning people. This pattern is very familiar, no?

We have rapidly expanded our business since we were
founded in September 1999. We have increased our
number of employees from 71 as of January 31, 2000, to
586 as of January 31, 2001, and to 627 as of March 31,
2001. This growth has placed, and will continue to
place, a significant strain on management systems and
other resources. We expect our business to continue to
grow in terms of number of customers and number of
services we offer. There will be additional demands on
our customer service support, research and
development, sales and marketing and administrative
resources as we try to increase our service offerings
and expand our target markets. The strains imposed by
these demands are magnified by our limited operating
history. We may not be able to successfully manage our
growth.

Well, no. Actually, it means that the company is ramping up so quickly that there were squeezing into space. All on revenues of $15M a year. They can't go back to the capital markets, and while the 122 sacrificed on May 1st to the alter of profitability many slow down the burn, the company will be in serious trouble if their services do not seem to have much appeal to their target client base, what's left of it, that is.

Potential customers may choose not to purchase
operations services from a third-party provider due to
concerns about security, reliability, cost or system
availability. It is possible that our services may
never achieve market acceptance. We have a limited
number of customers and have deployed our services a
limited number of times.

We generally do not customize the delivery of our
services beyond the technology platforms that we
currently support, and we do not provide general
systems integration work for our customers. Some
businesses may prefer more customized applications and
services than our business model contemplates. If we
do not offer the desired customization, there may be
less demand for our services.

So this warranted the spending of hundreds of millions of dollars for a technology and business model which has oodles of competition, while barely delivering the services that the company promises? This is not a recipe for ongoing success. Hmmm, customized models? Now why would anyone want that? One size fits all, right?

Our future success depends on our ability to identify,
hire, train, integrate and retain highly qualified
technical, sales and marketing, managerial and
administrative personnel. As our customer base and
revenue continue to grow, we will need to hire
additional qualified personnel. In particular, we need
to hire a sufficient number of technical operations
personnel in order to deploy customers on a timely
basis.

http://www.loudcloud.com/silverlining/index.html When you finish reading and laughing, you'll see this is no longer a problem for this company. Seems they have a lot of people to spare, which means they shouldn't have been hired in the first place.

As of March 31, 2001, our executive officers,
directors and their affiliates beneficially own, in
the aggregate, approximately 46.2% of our outstanding
common stock. These stockholders are able to exercise
significant influence over all matters requiring
stockholder approval, including the election of
directors and approval of significant corporate
transactions, which could have the effect of delaying
or preventing a third party from acquiring control
over us and could affect the market price of our
common stock.

Because at $6, they couldn't give it away when they launched. This stock has moved less than Jabba the Hut.

In September 2000, the Board of Directors approved the
2000 Employee Stock Purchase Plan. A total of 1.5
million shares of the Company's common stock will be
made available for sale under the Purchase Plan. In
addition, the Purchase Plan provides for annual
increases in the number of shares available for
issuance under the Purchase Plan on the first day of
the Company's fiscal year beginning in 2003 in an
amount equal to the lesser of (i) 5.0 million shares,
(ii) 2% of the outstanding shares of the Company's
common stock on that date, or (iii) a lesser amount
determined by the Company's Board of Directors. The
Company's Board of Directors or a committee of its
Board administers the plan.

As of January 31, 2001, the Company had granted stock
purchase rights and options for 122,033 shares of
common stock to consultants of which 6,500 remain
subject to repurchase at a weighted average exercise
price of $1.2967 per share. These options were granted
in exchange for consulting services to be rendered and
vest over a period of three to four years. These
options were exercised by the consultants, but are
subject to repurchase. The Company recorded a charge
to operations related to these shares of $2.6 million
and $12,000 for the year ended January 31, 2001, and
for the period from inception (September 9, 1999) to
January 31, 2000, respectively.

Note the difference. 1.5m for all the employees, 122,033 shares for a few consultants. Hmmm. the consultants get access to nearly 1/10th of the stocks that the entire company's workforce can get access to. Amazing.

Name                        Age   Position

Marc L. Andreessen........ 29 Chairman of the Board of Directors

Benjamin A. Horowitz...... 34 President, Chief Executive Officer and Director

Timothy A. Howes.......... 37 President of Product Operations and Chief Technical Officer

In Sik Rhee............... 29 Chief Tactician

Jonathan G. Heiliger...... 24 Executive Vice President

Roderick M. Sherwood III.. 47 Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Michael I. Green.......... 53 President of Field Operations

Charles J. Katz, Jr. ..... 53 Executive Vice President of Corporate Affairs and Secretary

John L. O'Farrell......... 42 Executive Vice President of Business Development

Shellye Archambeau........ 38 Chief Marketing Officer

William V. Campbell....... 60 Director

Michael S. Ovitz.......... 54 Director

Andrew S. Rachleff........ 42 Director

Who is missing from this board? Let's see, Jim Clark and Jim Barksdale.

Marc Andreesen benefited from the myth of the boy genius. The kid who beat the University of Illnois to the marketplace. The geeky, isolated Andreesen was about as capable of running a business in his early 20's as you are of flight. The Jims were the men who launched Netscape and kept it going until AOL flipped it. Andreesen was allowed to play along, but he was the mascot, with less real influence than Shawn Fanning had at Napster. What was important was that Andreesen made good copy.

Andreesen and his Netscape crony, Horowitz, are now playing with their own company, without the guiding hand of Barksdale or Clark.. Which means that while they have experienced directors, they are risking everything on Andreesen's ability to manage the company.

In a Wired article on Loudcloud last year, they debated on what to call their meeting rooms. They finally settled on "rap artists". Exactly the kind of maturity and taste one expects of a CEO and his key staff.

Why Loudcloud is in Trouble
  • The IPO wasteland

    The company issued their IPO during the disaster of March, 2001. They had wanted to issue at $17 a share, but no one would touch it at that price. Instead, they issued at $6, and it lay there, limp. Their ability to raise money is constrained by a dead IPO market, and their own losses. No one wants to touch a company losing money. The days of hype are over, the Jims have moved on to other things. Andreesen's public track record is good. He is still sought after by the media, but within the industry, he is accorded scant respect, and the last, buggy release of Netscape, 6, is derided as one of the greatest software flops since Microsoft Bob.

    What is amazing is that the company issued an IPO in the first place. In fact there was no choice. The company was losing money and had to go to the capital markets to get more, and in this climate, that is a one-shot deal. No one really trusts Andreesen and his team to pull off miracles. What is missing is the experienced leadership by successful managers who are less concerned about decorating their lobbies than making a profit.


  • The environment for hosting apps has changed

    Two years ago, Loudcloud would have been able to get customers from hundreds of dotcoms, all too eager to dump their IT and hosting issues onto a willing provider. There is much less support for the ASP/MSP environment now that many are failing and failing badly. Both Info Week and eWeek ran articles on how the failure of ASP's have forced companies to bring IT support in-house. They trusted outside vendors only to be screwed. All that money was lost and they had to spend it internally anyway. The fear was that companies would not be able to hire and retain IT staff to support these operations. Well, it may not be much of an issue now.

    There is no evidence that Loudcloud actually has the capability to deliver these services over the long term or that their software is actually as scalable as they claim. They clearly expected to enter an economy where they would be able to pick and choose companies to work with to develop their strengths. The reality is that the survivors don't have the money to pay out for these services and the recent crash means that there are more people to hire to work in-house on these solutions.
Conclusion

The reality is that Loudcloud shows many of the signs of a failed Net company. They offer a service which few people want and or need, one which is untested, and lead by a CEO whose main experience after college is being told how bright he was for getting to know NCSA's software and selling it for private profit. In reality, without the Jims to make Netscape into a company, Andreesen might have gone down as the Internet's Sgt. Bilko a long time ago. Now, Andreesen, who spent most of the 90's playing businessman, is now expected to turn a Web hosting company into the next big thing.

What has happened to the market is that management is slowly realizing that there is a need for in-house expertise. It isn't just on the hardware and connectivity side, but on the content and design side as well. Companies realize that using outside vendors for critical services is risky for several reasons, among them that outside vendors can fail. The collapse of DSL and ASP companies have made outsourcing core services, and that is the market that Loudcloud is trying to reach - a very risky one.

Also, Loudcloud wants to sell to new companies, companies without infrastructure. The messy part of IT systems is legacyware and Loudcloud is not about to customize Opsware to deal with that. The problem is that there going to be more legacy work than new companies for the expected life of Loudcloud.

The problem with their sales strategy is that by making overt alliances with companies and even more disturbingly, allowing Accenture to buy shares in the company. Their alliances with consultants is the kind of thing that creates conflicts. There is an assumption that a consultant has no vested interest in any of the solutions they recommend. But if the company offering the advice has a financial stake, not only in the use of their services, but which products the client chooses, it's no longer a level playing field. Alliances seem like a good idea until the client sues when the relationship goes south.

Also, companies buying into Loudcloud solutions could face longterm problems with integrating systems, relying on their technological choices and basically turning over most aspects of their IT operations to a vendor.

Loudcloud has arrived late into a new market without experienced managers. Their clients, established companies, know what few people realize: that Netscape was a failure. Despite the help of the Jims, the company was a dog and that was without Gates's help. It was first to market, but when they had to compete head to head with Microsoft, they didn't only get cheated, Internet Explorer's code was better. IE might have won without the help of marrying it to the OS.

One of the great secrets of the Internet is that Netscape was a failure saved by a sale to AOL. Yes, you can argue that Microsoft strong-armed their way into the market, that they broke the law, but Netscape's product declined in quality sharply after version 3.0. just as Internet Explorer's quality improved. Netscape's Web server was beaten witless by Apache, the Linux-based Web Server. They tried to make their money on applications and that is where they got screwed, and badly. Opsware is the legacy of those efforts.

With the real legacy of Netscape known among the client base that Loudcloud has to reach and outsourcing companies failing all over the place, it would take an exceptional offering to interest clients and Loudcloud doesn't appear to be that offering.


 
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Name: dotcolon
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Date: Fri May 4 16:13:20 2001
Comment: >>ties between Meeker's analysis and MSDW's IPO's and deals.

Well yes, this is the point. Do you have links to those articles? Where would the legal action be coming from? Litigation? Fed Prosecuttion? SEC? Why so cryptic?

Isn't it a whole lot more than whether Meeker & Co trump up stocks to help maintain other investment banking deals? Aren't there some fundamental glaring problems with those whole contructs? Conservatives don't like govt regulation, but wtf does the SEC do anyway re compliance and penalties and setting standards for co's eligible to even IPO? Is it enough that there just be huge disclosures in small print about highly risky? Why is it okay that many of these dotcoms were ever allowed to go public in first place? Is the threshhold that low for meeting SEC requirements?

I am convinced I am not only missing the boat, I've missed the dock. But there's more that don't smell right than Meeker's deals.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Fri May 4 14:47:55 2001
Comment: Actually, two pieces about Meeker and her former boss which ran in the Journal and Fortune.

Both imply strongly that someone is looking very hard at both these people for their actions.

The thing is that people are now looking at the ties between Meeker's analysis and MSDW's IPO's and deals. And it don't smell right. Not in the slightest. Pieces like that hint strongly that legal action is coming.

Name: dotcolon
Email:
Date: Fri May 4 14:13:03 2001
Comment: Steve >> most people don't get the wink and the nod from people like Meeker provide.
This is all going to wind up in court. A total S&L type mess.

When can you do a piece that starts to build a case around her? You've been saying this for months about her and Blodgett, and for months I have been asking you what is actually happening to make either of those 2 accountable? Fine, it is not something you can pull together yourself, but for all the (correct) bashing of mainstream media with respect to their timid coverage of company financial analysis, where is the outcry for first-rate investigative journalism about the investment banking and stock pushing industries?

Seems like Blodgett simply keeps getting rewarded, not only by his employer, but by the media who simply satisfy the public's itch by focusing slap-slap-wrist-wrist stories about him occasionally.

Who is going to actually bring them down? When is that going to happen?

It won't, right, because our whole society rests upon thse relationships between money, govt, power, markets. No one's going to rock the boat enough to destabilize the whole interlock of mutual backscratching society that is Wall Street, Beltway, Black Rock, etc.

Name: Carl Guderian
Email: carlg@vermilion-sands.com
Date: Fri May 4 10:19:39 2001
Comment: Mike "The Manipulator" Ovitz on the board? Sheesh! Probably as rainmaker, to bring in whoever still owes him favors in H'wood (that won't include Mike Eisner, who tossed him out and gave him $90M as a golden parachute, unless that's now considered ancient history). I doubt Ovitz can be bothered, anyway, for chump change. The studios commissioning websites for their blockbusters will probably send the work to someone who'll do it right.

Name:
Email:
Date: Fri May 4 10:07:10 2001
Comment: I like the word "borged"

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Fri May 4 08:38:13 2001
Comment: Robin,

The numbers are towards the bottom. The charts are so unwieldly, that to reproduce them is a hassle without really formatting them.

Yahoo and Quicken both have the financials and the numbers. I usually review the company's statements, but if you want the raw numbers, check towards the bottom of the 10K/Q

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Thu May 3 22:26:31 2001
Comment: Secret,

Dime, no, cease and desist, yes. They get a letter and the board disappears. Which is why these analyzes are based on public documents and not just news clippings. Analysts have been sued witless over negative comments.

If I had not used Salon's docs, we would probably been facing legal action. Which is why most analysis from the Street is a fucking joke. They have resorted to hints and unfortunately, most people don't get the wink and the nod from people like Meeker provide.

This is all going to wind up in court. A total S&L type mess.

Name: BraveSirRobin
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 22:24:21 2001
Comment: Some numbers?

Usually these reports contain a few shocking statistics about how much money the company has lost, last quarter and cumulative. I know the 10Q is ~4k lines long, but is that info handy somewhere? With Andreesen involved, it's probably a lot.

Name: SecretAgent
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 20:54:10 2001
Comment: Steve...

Any idea why no message board. There is something funny about those yahoo boards. I remember a company "ibuy" that had a long history at the board. One day I went over for some reads and all messages were purged. I bet yahoo gets a dime to purge the boards from time to time.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Thu May 3 20:41:26 2001
Comment: Me,

I'm sure that Torvalds has his quirks, ask Stallman, but he's sane and respected. Andreesen is a joke.

I didn't mention Apache in detail, but I would say that any hosting company using proprietary solutions is crazy at this point. Much of what they want to do needs to be done in house, so you can adapt and customize it. Most importantly, outsourcing does make sense, a lot of sense, but not with mission critical apps and files.

As Microsoft will find out when .Net joins Bob in the reject file.

Secret Agent,

Go to the FC HFSC post on Loudcloud. All the slander you'll ever need with a bag of chips.

Their IPO is less than 2 months old. Check out chris byron's piece on them yesterday, the link is somewhere here.

Name: HappyFunBall
Email: private
Date: Thu May 3 20:23:05 2001
Comment: Hey you're right! Loudcloud has their message board on Yahoo disabled.

Name: SecretAgent
Email: xxx@xxx.xxx
Date: Thu May 3 19:32:34 2001
Comment: Fuck Loudcloud....

What a piece of shit! Nice peice Steve G . I used to know some of the folks that work there and I a must say I have no pitty for them. Well.... no pity for some of them.

I am wondering how come these guys don't have a message board on yahoo finance. Maybe they are to new or something or maybe one of Andreessen's cronies over at yahoo prevented this from happening. I am sure it would be full of slander if it did exist.

Name: me
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 19:17:05 2001
Comment: Hey Bill,

you got shares in Z57.com, or what? Got some insider info? Netslaves should bill someone for this name dropping service they seem to allow.

Hmmm, actually that gives me some ideas of my own. Memo to self ....

ANY established company which allows even its website to be designed and coded by an external provider is potentially treading on dangerous ground, though a $500 website, granted, can easily be replaced (as there can't be much going on there, beyond that which is easily seen). See www.useit.com for several good and well reasoned arguments re outsourcing, as I dislike unnecessary duplication of effort.

Better still, use an ASP. Oooo, that could indeed hurt -> potential huge, long term financial cost to the business. Here's my Intellectual Property -> why don't you just look after it for me! Then there is also the whole subject of Knowledge Management and who is 'managing it' Poor game plan unless you outsource so someone like Big Blue, insist on comprehensive documentation and employ someone who is capable of discerning whether the documentation is bollox or not.

Bollox, I like that word:

>>Our Smart Cloud services enable our customers to benefit from reliable, high-quality Internet operations, which can grow to accommodate increasing business needs, without undertaking the difficulty and expense associated with building the required expertise in-house.<<

BOLLOX, to anyone who the performs the necessary analytical Risk Assessment etc, thinks long term, ...... (math).

BASE PROBLEM (why ASPs have been seen as a potential 'real business': many orporate decision makers are impressed by fancy words (they wouldn't 'dare' to admit they don't actually understand) and know fuck all about (the actual detailed workings of) their companies' mission critical IT/IS business systems.

Too many 'MBAs' appointed to the board. Not enough IT people appointed who could advise the assembly in a truly balanced fashion.


Steve:

I like the Linus Torvalds bit below. Not entirely accurate though. Do a bit more digging.

+ Apache/Linux (both free). You don't give appropriate credit to apache. Ever heard of Solaris?

Actually *look* at some of the headers sent by/to your browser. Very illuminating.

Name: kaulady
Email: kaulady@excite.com
Date: Thu May 3 19:15:51 2001
Comment: Will they make it to July? hell will they make it to June? What a screwball operation. I can see that no one has learned any lessons in the last 2 yrs!
Anyone who bought their stock deserves what they get( nada). NEVER EVER invest in a company that hasn't shown for a profit for at least a year!

Name: Bill Volk
Email: bvolk@youworkit.com
Date: Thu May 3 18:43:31 2001
Comment: Outsourcing a heck of a lot less risky, when the company you are outsourcing with isn't a VC funded P.O.S. like this one.

Z57.com is a lot more likely to be around in 3 years than LoudFart.

Bill

Name:
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 17:31:47 2001
Comment: I'll be pedantic and say Apache isn't linux based. It's cross platform. From the FAQ:

runs on Windows NT/9x, Netware 5.x, OS/2, and most versions of Unix, as well as several other operating systems

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Thu May 3 17:14:54 2001
Comment: X,

Baby, the joke is who is pushing this crap out of the door. Andreesen is hated by his former coworkers and treated as a joke by his peers.

Two words: Linus Torvalds.

What's my point? Torvalds is not only respected for his technical skill, but liked. People like the guy. Even discounting the cult factor, no one I know has ever described the guy as a pain in the ass. He's pleasant to people who come up to him, he's polite, this I've seen in person.

If Andreesen had his shit together, people would say similar things. Now, he's just regarded as a joke and everyone who cares basically runs the guy down as a moron. People say nicer things about Gates.

Loudcloud can put that bullshit on their site, you might even agree with it, but they don't walk the walk. No way.

Name: MasterPo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 16:58:04 2001
Comment:
xdroop - The reality is that only a small part of work is cutting edge or interesting. The majorty of what is needed to keep a business going is just plain dull stuff. It's essential to the operation of the business but not exciting. That's reality.

Name: xdroop
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 16:49:58 2001
Comment: Know what? The only thing funny about the Silver Lining page is the company hosting it. The ideas put forward are on the right track.

We've said here many times that money is a poor motivator, yet when someone announces/threatens a departure for other opportunities, this is usually the first and only card played. Yes, money is nice, but fiddling with numbers is no way to keep good people.

If the work isn't interesting and people can find interesting work elsewhere, they will.

And we've complained about clueless management here and elsewhere. Repeatedly. This page gets it from first principles:
It is important [...] to make sure that managers actually want to be managers.
That, and making sure that you are training your managers to manage, is one of the most powerful investments you can make in the long-term survivability of your company. An idea which is probably moot these days since most companies are thinking 'next quarter', not 'next decade' or even 'next year'.

Miserable managers make for miserable employees, which leads to lower productivity, higher turnover, and increased costs. All of these things start turning into a self-replicating system which starts to make that sucking sound at the bottom line...

Frankly, I don't see the joke.

Name: iamdubious
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 15:51:19 2001
Comment:
Stevereno is so good at these 10Q analyses that he sucks all the oxygen out of the room. What's left to say.

Name: Watcher
Email: ordaj@planetcable.net
Date: Thu May 3 14:35:15 2001
Comment: And for another critical look at DarkCloud, er, LoudCloud:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/567732.asp?0nm=C1JZ

Name: vonbek
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 14:33:05 2001
Comment: I was asked to look into hosting support for websites that my old (not present) employer churned out.

Although the hosting center had its own NOC I was not interested in that service.

I am a great believer in keeping IT in house as much as possible. In this scenario my suggestion of using a number of tools within the companies own NOC (not only for the web sites but also for internal systems as well).

Using Tivoli for server and application monitoring and OpenView for looking after routers and switches gives you very good coverage of your apps, hardware and network.

If a server goes down in the hosting center all you need to do is get the tech to reboot the machine or if a piece of hardware needs replacing they can provide that service as well. I am not knocking the techs...they are usually very very competent (barring that one tosser who knocked out a network lead...but that is another story).

As the support service is in house you have pretty much immediate access to the people who built the site if there are any issues that are not able to be handled by the NOC and support engineers.

What did they opt for? SMNP monitoring...hmmmmmm yeah they do use the internal NOC...so I guess that counts as half a victory:-)


Name: B Labor
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 13:59:28 2001
Comment: Enuf

I spend all day configuring servers and workstations and desktop systems for clueless users.

Keep up up the good work..here's a t-shirt

Name: MasterPo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 13:54:53 2001
Comment: There is some truth to the Silver Lining.

People will follow a good leader even if the bennies aren't the greatest. The fact is most people as managers have precious little if any training as a manager. Most managers are little more than score keepers, constantly asking "Are we on schedule for (whatever)?" and "How much is left to do for (whatever)?". Then run off to update MS Project sheets.

Name: heedlesshouseman
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 13:51:30 2001
Comment:
Sorry for that redundancy. My browser backed off. BTW, seem to be a number of cross postings today

Name: heedlesshouseman
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 13:49:00 2001
Comment:
Just another celebritized business venture. All marketing, no balls.

Name: sbdwestpac
Email: sbdwestpac@aol.com
Date: Thu May 3 13:46:01 2001
Comment: "Dream no small dreams for these have no power to move the hearts of men" (Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe) From the "Silver Lining" page.

How arrogant are these guys? If my boss laid that one on me I'd be updating my resume ASAP. My job bores the hell out of me. I spend all day configuring servers and workstations and desktop systems for clueless users. But my job is not who I am. It pays the bills, and I am good at it.

Name: heedlesshouseman
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 13:28:24 2001
Comment:
Just another celebritized business venture. All marketing, no balls.

Name: HappyFunBall
Email: private
Date: Thu May 3 13:22:21 2001
Comment: That Silver Lining page was a hoot.

As we all know, execs are retained by money, workers by "working conditions".

If this sounds like an NAM (National Association of Manufacturers) propaganda effort to keep wages low, it's because it's actually a page right out of an NAM propaganda "study".

Name:
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 13:01:09 2001
Comment: >I'm 28 and I spent 2 years working as an analyst, 4 years as a developer, and just under a year as a project manager, busting my ass every step of the way.

You're an old man with too much experience for this economy. Call it the "tabula rasa" school of dot-com management - the less you know, the better qualified you are to "get it".

Name: MasterPo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 12:58:50 2001
Comment:
The Chairman of the Board is only 29. So is the "Chief Tactician" - Can someone show my that in the Harvard Business School course catalog?


Name: Enough Already
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 12:52:06 2001
Comment: "Jonathan G. Heiliger...... 24 Executive Vice President"

What the fuck??? An EVP at 24? That's what, a Bachelors degree and 2 years experience or a Masters and no experience or a High School Diploma and 6 years experience? I don't want to take anything away from successful young people, but isn't the idea of twenty-something executives a little ridiculous? I'm 28 and I spent 2 years working as an analyst, 4 years as a developer, and just under a year as a project manager, busting my ass every step of the way. How the hell does one become an exec at 24? I guess a rich daddy must have something to do with it.