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Jerry Curtis Has Been in the Sun (Choosing Manual Labor Over Netslavery)
Posted Wed May 2 22:52:33 2001 by sbaldwin

By James C. Hess

Jerry Curtis has been in the sun.

A lot.

He laughs when asked how much time he spends in the sun. His teeth seem whiter against his sunburned face. "Oh, say ten, twelve hours a day. Six days a week."

Jerry spends so much time in the sun because he makes eight dollars and fifty cents an hour loading and unloading delivery trucks for a wholesale greenhouse.

A year ago he worked in a temperature-controlled office, sixty floors up, making three hundred thousand dollars (U.S.) a year, plus stock options, and a quarterly percentage bonus.

Nine months ago, though, this coveted existence started coming apart: The dot-com Jerry worked for issued an internal memo that they were looking for new funding.

"Corporatespeak," Jerry says. "It means 'we're screwed. We know we're screwed. But we're not telling you we're screwed'."

He considers this and laughs again. There is delight and pleasure in his laughter.

Six months ago it all came crashing down.

"The security department came around with a trolley filled with those white legal boxes you can buy for moving. Whatever fit into the box comfortably we were allowed to take. Everything else stayed and was sold at auction to pay creditors."

He sighs. Happily.

Three months ago he got out. The dot-com went bankrupt shortly thereafter.

Jerry hit the ground running. He took the first job that came along.

The job he now has.

Any regrets about this life change?

"None," Jerry says. "I'm glad it happened. I've never been happier, in fact."

Never been happier? Working twelve hour days? Six days a week? For eight fifty an hour? Jerry laughs. He is truly happy. "Yep."

But what about the perks? What about the stock options? The bonus? The benefits?

"Highly overrated. In the long term I will do better in a situation like this."

Increasingly present and past employees of dot-coms are passing up employment with high tech firms. The reason:

Jerry says "High tech means high risk. High risk means you lose."

Increasingly, like Jerry Curtis, dot-commers are turning to more traditional employment opportunities.

Why?

As Jerry put it so well: In the long term they will do better.

According to a headhunter who asks not to be named for fear of being fired this change means one thing to high tech: Bad news. People just don't want to work for a company that will terminate them without a second thought.

Besides, chances of going back to work for a former high-tech employer are not good. When they fire you, they fire you, owing to the fact they soon go out of business thereafter. There are few second chances in the dot-com world.

There is good news to this, though. If you are a high-tech type, if you have the desired qualifications and experience, and if you are willing to work for a dot-com, you can almost be assured of writing your own ticket.

Just ask Susan Ester. Five years ago she was making $25,000 a year as a surface mount technology assembler. She had medical and dental. She had stock options. She had a profit-sharing plan.

But that was all. Chances of advancement were few. Long-term career growth was, at best, limited.

So she looked around, considered her situation, and took out several thousand dollars in loans to take certification courses in C and C++.

A year later, now employed by a dot-com as a programmer, she was making $60,000. She had full benefits, stock options (pre-IPO), and profit sharing. Six months after that she saw her income more than double. Three months after that her income climbed to two hundred thousand.

Today she earns slightly more than three hundred thousand a year. She has full benefits, a retirement plan, a stock investment plan, and a bonus plan.

She also has a written agreement that even if she is terminated she will still walk away with three years income plus a fourth year of income for staying on.

Why such a lucrative deal? Especially given the current economic picture?

According to the headhunter: She has what they want. What they need. Because she does they are willing to pay. Big.

But three years isn't that long. What then?

Susan already has a plan for her next career: Her brother, a former dot-commer himself, has a bookstore he opened with part of a buy-out he received. When Susan's three years are up she is going into business with him.

"The family business," she says.

The family business. It could be the new new economy.

 
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Name: jesus
Email: christ
Date: Mon May 7 02:36:08 2001
Comment: i could live for 30 years on 300,000 dollars.
this guy should have invested in a bank, and then
fucking retired.

Name: Eric
Email:
Date: Sat May 5 23:48:43 2001
Comment: The $300k salary programmer with just a little training is not very believable... unless she was a first class liar. I once knew an average programmer who talked himself into an upper management job at another startup by claiming that he had been managing the team for which he was actually a lowly programmer. Since the startup never bothered to check the most basic of facts, this guy ended up as a V.P. with huge salary and stock options. He was also fired within a year as his cockiness didn't provide him any particularly useful skills to deliver the actual goods. Why it took a year to fire him is beyond me...

Name: bob
Email: pale_13@usa.net
Date: Fri May 4 16:43:28 2001
Comment: Your point being? ;-)

Name: LOL
Email:
Date: Fri May 4 16:31:36 2001
Comment: Yes, pure bullshit!

Name: bob
Email: pale_13@usa.net
Date: Fri May 4 16:26:09 2001
Comment: Which is why I spent all my time elsewhere... ;)

Name: B Labor
Email:
Date: Fri May 4 15:43:39 2001
Comment: Re: Many of these can be placed by machine (chip shooters), but some, such as through hole mounts, are often placed by hand, and even those that don't are often visually inspected by people and hand repaired if defects are found.

This sounds too much like actual work

Name: bob
Email: pale_13@usa.net
Date: Fri May 4 09:57:14 2001
Comment: SMT assemblers work with printed surface boards (PCBs), the green wafer with all the transistors, resistors, diodes and chips on them. Many of these can be placed by machine (chip shooters), but some, such as through hole mounts, are often placed by hand, and even those that don't are often visually inspected by people and hand repaired if defects are found. Sometimes a finished assembly will have tow or three PCBs each with several thousand components. Not a lot fo fun, but at the place I worked, they were paid fairly well for their skillset, which isn't too far above some minimum wage jobs.

Name: Carl Guderian
Email: carlg@vermilion-sands.com
Date: Fri May 4 09:52:21 2001
Comment: This really sounds like a parody of something from "Simple Living" or whatever it's called; high-powered types realizing they actually yearn for "an honest job." Of course, the first time the foreman yells at him, Jery will just say "fuck you, I quit." Nice option if you have it.

It's the prose equivalent of that famous pre-revolutionary French painting of aristocrats playing at shepherds and shepherdesses.

That's right, you little people don't know how *lucky* you really are in those minimum-wage, dead-end jobs.

What's a "surface mount technology assembler?"

This article is such a troll, it should be living under a bridge and charging a toll. Haw! Haw! Haw!

Name: bob
Email: pale_13@usa.net
Date: Fri May 4 09:10:33 2001
Comment: houseman, being a bit sarcastic, aren't we?


Name: heedlesshouseman
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 16:48:55 2001
Comment: Bob

I stand corrected sir, your references are sterling.

Name: bob
Email: pale_13@usa.net
Date: Thu May 3 16:32:31 2001
Comment: houseman,

"Spoken like a true slave," huh?

Doubled my salary in the past year and a half, will double that in approximaltey another year and a half, and don't put in more than 40 hours a week, ever.

How, exactly, am I a slave?

I'm with MasterPo's friend's sister on this one.

Name: Ertischek
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 15:10:50 2001
Comment: MasterPo:

Have Time Sheet
Will travel

Name: heedlesshouseman
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 15:08:54 2001
Comment: Bob

Spoken like a true slave.

Name: MasterPo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 15:07:43 2001
Comment:
Bob - My friend's sister said it well. Quote:

"Everyday you can walk out of the office and they're still paying you, you should think to yourself 'Suckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs!'"

Name: Kernel Panic
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 14:16:31 2001
Comment: Enough Already
...bullseye...

Name: bob
Email: pale_13@usa.net
Date: Thu May 3 14:12:23 2001
Comment: masterpo,

At this time, simply surviving in the field deserves a sense of accomplishment.

Name: MasterPo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 12:54:18 2001
Comment:
(sorry about the blanks)

Probably the highest paid programmers are the C++ and Java programmers in the small derivative software firms of Silicon Alley. And even they don't make $300k. A few night be getting around $125-$150k (including year end bonus) but I doubt over $200k as an employee.

Matthew - You're so right! I have absolutely no sense of accomplishment in my job. Haven't even come close to that sense in well over 5 or 6 year (unless you count having just survived in this field that long).




Name: MasterPo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 12:51:16 2001
Comment:

Name: MasterPo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 12:51:16 2001
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Name: Enough Already
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 12:37:20 2001
Comment: There's a big difference between the 75k-100k jobs you guys are talking about and the 300k salaries mentioned in this bullshit article. How many programmers (or anyone that's not an executive for that matter) are making 300k/year as a full time employee. How many get severance totalling 3-4 years worth of salary? This article is just a load of horseshit. You guys should stick to the 10Q analyses you've been doing. They're quite interesting and certainly better than this nonsense.

Name: bongwater
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 12:02:10 2001
Comment: depends on where you are. in NYC, the market is pretty tight. i have a recruiter friend who has trouble placing skilled programmers and tech people and i've gone on 2nd and 3rd interviews only to discover the position has been pulled or they're only willing to offer me 20% less than what i was previously making. FYI: i was making around $80K/yr. in manhattan, that barely lets you pay your expenses and tuck some money away. we're not talking about trips to tahati on that salary.

Name: Matthew Saroff
Email: msaroff@pobox.com
Date: Thu May 3 11:56:13 2001
Comment: I spent some time as a sheet metal mechanic when I couldn't find mechanical engineering work in the late 1980s.

There is a satisfaction to working with your hands that one cannot get from doing viewgraphs for presentations. It's one of the reasons that I spend a lot of time on the shop floor when my designs are first going through manufacture. I get to see them coming together, and I also put out a better design.

The "grunts" on the shop floor are frequently sharper than the engineers. They know what works.

This guy probably has 6-7 figures in the bank, and felt that he was doing nothing. Now he feels that he is doing something for his money.

People who work with their hands tend to like their jobs more cubicle residents.

Name:
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 11:21:24 2001
Comment: If this is Steve Baldwin's idea of "journalism," no wonder he is always bitching about making a low salary.

Name: bob
Email: pale_13@usa.net
Date: Thu May 3 11:19:25 2001
Comment: I agree that this article is a load of horse puckey (as my grandfather might say), but there are some grains of truth to be pulled from it that I can back with first and secondhand knowledge.

I do know of several people who have willingly dropped out of high stress, high stakes careers to join the blue color workforce. Granted, they were not the 300K a year crowd, but they were doing well, 60-80k, and grew to hate their careers. They made enough to pay off everything they owed (houses, cars, credit cards, etc), and could actually afford to get by on near minimum wage funds. One went from being a business analyst to a carpenter. Another was in a dot-con in some capacity, and is now a stonemason. Another now runs a small landscaping company. It happens. Some people just require the physical closure ("I did 'x' today") that a lot of blue collar jobs provide, and some simply enjoy breaking a sweat when they work. There is a certian inner peace that comes with physical labor that isn't easy to come by in our chosen profession.

The second grain of truth resides in the second story, about SMT assembler turned programmer. I worked in an SMT shop, and saw a guy work his way from shipping and recieving up to HTML coder, and later he went to IBM's E-Commerce team as a programmer of some type where I saw him last. Granted, this particular individual was one of the biggest screwups I've ever known, but he followed the Peter Principle to the max, and tripled his salary in a little over one year.

In the same vein, I was lucky enough to find one of those few competent, caring headhunter types that so many of us regard as a myth. He has placed several web developer types with certain companies making the 60-80K that is normal in the area, who turned them into 120-150K jobs within three years. My company is going to pay for the Web team to get e-commerce certifications, even knowing that that will make us very marketable to other companies, and that salaries will hae to go through the roof just to keep us.


Whle these stories above may ring false, I've seen enough truth in them to know things like these can happen, even if for a very select few.

Name:
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 11:14:52 2001
Comment: Without good graphics people, your web venues and web apps would look like the interfaces were designed by. . . engineers. . .

I will make no apology to you for not being a . . . developer.

Name: dot com doo doo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 11:04:23 2001
Comment: "The people who are truly fucked are all the grabass-tic bandwagoners (you know, writers, graphic artists, Biz Dev execs,etc) "

ROTF, technical depth continues to pay dividends.

Name: howdy
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 10:56:06 2001
Comment: I saw this when it was called Office Space.

Name: Enough Already
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 10:43:08 2001
Comment: Since several people have already pointed out that this entire article is bullshit, I'll hone in on a couple of other points.

First the concept of non re-employability and the need to take bridge jobs as truck loaders and Starbuck's barristas. Noone who has any significant amount of technical skills (ie. programmers, DBAs, network engineers, sytem analysts, etc.) will EVER have to do this. Nor will experienced project managers (again, assuming some sort of technical background and at least 2 years as a PM). Nor will skilled sales people (notice I said sales, as in able to sell stuff; there are too many people who consider themselves Biz Dev executives who can't sell shit). The people who are truly fucked are all the grabass-tic bandwagoners (you know, writers, graphic artists, Biz Dev execs,etc) who always had shit jobs before the tech boom and then latched onto the 'Net economy and got real comfortable for a couple of years.

Name: MasterPo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 10:31:10 2001
Comment:
You had me going on this one until the story of Susan. Yea right.

Slow news day Steve?

Name: dot com doo doo
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 09:22:54 2001
Comment: I use to shovel concrete in 100+ degree heat along side immigrants for 6.50 hr back in the day. That was 15 years ago. I am too out of shape to go back to that, but I bet I could sell insurance.

Name: cargoid
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 09:20:34 2001
Comment: Bullshit

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Thu May 3 08:51:38 2001
Comment: OK, clever parody here people. It has to be.:-)

Name: coder
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 07:59:56 2001
Comment: You are very perceptive, to grasp the similarities between programmers and writers. Much of what I do as a programmer is similar to proper expression of ideas in writing. Have you condsidered writing in a business environment? A good writer can be a good manager or marketing guru. You would make a lot more than 50k a year. This is directly parallel to the difference between open source "artiste programmers" who do their most important work for free, vs the "drones" (shame on me) who pimp themselves out to the highest bidder.

Programmer salaries are inflated because companies desperately need our skills to succeed. And just as good writing is a difficult skill to master (how many truly effective writers do you know?), programming is truly difficult as well. 5 years ago, programmers made slave wages for the most part because there were few positions to fill and there was an enormous glut of programmers left over from the decline of the aerospace industry in the late 80s. After the netscape ipo took off, everyone decided that they had to be wired, and demand shot up overnight.

Im sure that demand for programmers will go back down eventually. To me that doesnt really mean much. Ive paid my dues, and someone of my skill and experience will always have work waiting for him at the end of a job.

Still, the real reason most programmers program isnt for the money or the options or the respect (lol), its because we enjoy the daily mental exercise of programming, and the joy of seeing other people use your programs and remark how much easier their lives are.

Programmers who program solely to express themselves make about as much money as writers who write to express themselves. Its all in where your priorities lie.

Name:
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 05:27:07 2001
Comment: > These guys will step into jobs making around > 50-70k a year starting. In a few years they will > be making around 80-100.

Most people who write for a living never get 50K a year even after decades of proven experience. Programmers have no right to complain about anything, considering their inflated salaries.

Name: Badger
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 04:27:31 2001
Comment: Assuming that the Jerry story is true, the only reason he can afford to live on such 'noble' under-paid work is because of his previous high salary - I've had badly paid jobs and they don't sustain you, financially or emotionally. Anyway, in England the sun never shines.

Name:
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 04:20:41 2001
Comment: Mmm... I used to work for a wholesale florist.. That's some heavy lifting, and cut flowers don't have dirt weighing 'em down. A single gun crate of roses weighs near 100 lbs. Everybody except the salesmen made 6.25 an hour. I remember I used to marvel at how the place could run when profits were on the order of 2-3 cents a flower (carnations). Also I'll take the politically incorrect stance of pointing out that JCH would be subject to a lot of guff from the minorities working there (who you can bet are the majority), for taking away a job from one of them, unless he's a mongoloid or has some other
obvious physical/mental deficiencies, in which case he'd just be debagged regularly. I'm not saying the stories total bullshit, but he'd have to be working in his families orchid business. Its just too much of a stretch otherwise.

Name: coder
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 00:39:22 2001
Comment: Yes, I said that high numbers were possible for a contractor with good contacts. However, contracts rarely last a whole year. Most contractors I have known will work for a while then take a month off or work part time on a bunch of accounts. They also dont quote their salaries in $ per year because it varies a lot.

Also, the 400 an hour figure at a big five is usually for a very senior consultant (I have heard numbers closer to 300 for the top of the line guys), and that is the amount that is billed to the client. The consultant rarely sees that much. When once I was a consultant, I saw executives making high salaries, but never the field consultants.

Also, the 300k with 1/yr of experience is plain silly. To make that with extensive programming skills and one year in a particularly desirable language is pretty much unheard of. To pick up a few certifications and then a year later be making 300k is fantasy land material. Most programmers will take about a year or two to become familar with the basic concepts of programming well (programming is much more than learning syntax) and then they will specialize in an area and maybe pick up a language or two. Most programmers do this in college when they are getting a CS degree. Some are just naturally interested in programming and have been doing it since high school. These guys will step into jobs making around 50-70k a year starting. In a few years they will be making around 80-100. I know from experience that the numbers on the east coast are lower than this.

The certification crowd (especially if you wasted a few grand getting something bullshit like an MCSD-only C cert im aware of) will almost always be laughed at (because they are generally unrealistic about salary expectations and have little to offer). If they are hired, it is invariably as a junior programmer. Junior programmers dont make 60k starting, even if they know people. In a year or two their salaries pick up to normal levels (as they prove themselves) and theyre on the same track as everyone else. Is this the picture this article paints? Absolutely not. This is the description of an MCSD making 60k starting and after a year of work, making 300k. Utter horseshit. The greenhouse worker story was also horseshit, in my humble opinion. However, I will refrain from detailed comment as I am not an expert in greenhouse employment.

thanks for your time again

Name:
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 00:24:25 2001
Comment: err, 6 days a week

Name:
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 00:22:42 2001
Comment: Don't overestimate him. This is obviously all make believe.

1. No former programmer would suddenly find himself working 10-12 hours a day 6 hours a work for $8.50. Not happening. This is Steve's attempt to associate programmers with jobs typically associated with unions, in order to get everyone who reads this tripe to unionize. Hint: How does NO strike you, Steve?

2. He's still attached to the notion of non-re-employability in the field. The fact that people can and do just GET ANOTHER JOB (as my co-workers put it) is foreign to him.

3. Coder already pointed out the wage impossibilities. Six months, a 60k salary doubling? You MUST be joking.

My cat could come up with better stuff than this.

Name: Zira_The_Ape
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 00:19:29 2001
Comment: $300k/yr is possible for a contractor: especially if it's the kind of client who's used to paying a Big 5 firm $400/hr for a 1-yr from college code monkey. The trick to that is connections.

Certainly, in the valley, $100+/hr gigs are available if you've got the skills.

Name: coder
Email:
Date: Thu May 3 00:07:54 2001
Comment: Eh really? 300 grand a year for c++? At a pre-ipo dot com? What on earth was she writing for 300k a year with one year of programming experience? I know guys who have programmed in C++ for nearly 20 years (Im writing from silicon valley, where good programmers with a few years experience make around 90k-120k) but they dont make anything near that (i havent met any programmers making signficantly above 150k yet). That is an executive level salary. The three year severence sounds like typical executive golden parachute.

In my entire life, regardless of the language, I have never seen a salaried programmer actually make that much. Contract workers could make that much if they had a good rate and put in very long billable hours (assuming the client tolerated it), but that doesnt seem to be the picture Im seeing here.

Do you have any other sources to back up the 300k story? If so, could I have her recruiter's number? I have a lot more than one year of experience and I would love to get a job coding for 300k a year. I would relocate if necessary.