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How to Read a 10Q: Salon
Posted Fri Apr 20 08:44:49 2001 by sbaldwin

By Steve Gilliard

Source Document: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1084332/0000929624-01-000215.txt"

In our look at Salon, we see a company which is losing money steadily, with no real hope of profitability, not now or in the future. By looking at a variety of financial statements, it is clear that no subscription plan is likely to save the company. They have lost nearly $60M in six years and continue to burn almost $1.8m a month, if not more. Yet, this has taken place despite ongoing layoffs, reduction in content and increased advertising. None of which appears to have worked.

These consolidated financial statements contemplate the realization of assets and the satisfaction of liabilities in the normal course of business. Salon has incurred losses since inception and has an accumulated deficit at December 31, 2000 of $59,784,000. The operating loss in the nine months ended December 31, 2000 includes the write-down of certain long-lived assets acquired in connection with the purchase of MP3Lit.com (MP3Lit). Management's plans to decrease operating losses are to increase revenues while controlling costs. If Salon in unable to generate sufficient cash flows from operations, Salon may seek additional sources of capital. There can be no assurance that Salon will be able to obtain such financing, if necessary, on terms which are favorable or at all.

Wow. a loss rate of $12 million a year. $1m a month. While that is obviously not applicable over the life of the company, the average rate of loss has been over $1m a month, every month.

Two customers accounted for 13% and 10% of total revenues for the three months ended December 31, 2000 and no customer accounted for more than 10% of total revenue for the nine months ended December 31, 2000. No customer accounted for more than 10% of revenues for the three months or nine months ended December 31, 1999. Salon did not record any barter revenues for the three months ended December 31, 2000 and recorded $462,000 of barter revenue or 15% of total revenues for the three months ended December 31, 1999. Barter revenues accounted for $63,000 or 1% of total revenues for the nine months ended December 31, 2000 and $940,000 or 17% of revenues for the nine months ended December 31, 1999. One customer accounted for 10% of the total accounts receivable balance at December 31, 2000 and no customer accounted for 10% or more of total accounts receivable at March 31, 2000.

Another company relying on a limited advertiser base to provide revenue in a down market.

Net Revenues: Net revenues decreased 25% to $2.3 million for the three months ended December 31, 2000 from $3.0 million for the three months ended December 31, 1999 and increased 15% to $6.2 million for the nine months ended December 31, 2000 from $5.4 million for the nine months ended December 31, 1999. The decrease was attributable to an overall decrease in web-based advertising during the 2000 Christmas season compared to the 1999 Christmas season and an overall decline in advertising by internet-based businesses this year compared to last year. Sponsorship and banner advertising revenues accounted for approximately 71% and 94% of net revenues for the three months ended December 31, 2000 and 1999, respectively. For the nine months ended December 31, 2000 and 1999, these percentages were 82% and 90%, respectively. Barter transactions, included in sponsorship and advertising revenues, were $0 during the three months ended December 31, 2000 compared to $0.5 million for the three months ended December 31, 1999 or 15% of total sales

When you look at the way the company discloses its debt, you immediately see that Salon appears to be playing cute with the reader. They are separating the first three quarters from the last quarter. Why? To make the reader add the losses up in their head. In most cases, you read over it. Their revenue was $8.3m in 2000 and $9.4 in 1999. In an average financial news story, the reporter would concentrate on the last quarter and not the entire year.

Production, Content and Product:

Production, content and product costs consist primarily of payroll and related costs for Salon's editorial, artistic, and production staffs, online communities staff, Salon Audio staffs, payments to freelance writers and artists, and telecommunications and computer related expenses for the support and delivery of Salon's Web sites and online communities. Production, content and product costs during the three months ended December 31, 2000 were $2.5 million or 110% of net revenues versus $2.7 million or 88% of net revenues for the three months ended December 31, 1999, a decline of 6%. The 6% decrease in production, content and product costs for the three months ended December 31, 2000 versus December 31, 1999, is primarily attributable to a $0.3 million decrease in stock-based compensation between periods. In December 2000, Salon eliminated nine staff positions to reduce expenses.

Cute. They only discuss the revenues for the last three months. So they took in $2.3m in the last quarter of 2000 and spent $2.5 million on content ALONE. Please explain how subscriptions will save this company? How will this work? They are spending more than they take in per quarter on CONTENT alone. That's people like me. Editors. Photographers. Design.

Effective October 1, 2000 Salon determined that no significant income could be generated in the near future from the sale of digital downloadable spoken word recordings which was Salon's intent in acquiring of MP3Lit in May 2000. Accordingly, Salon wrote off the amortized balance of goodwill associated with the acquisition and recorded an impairment charge of $1.7 million for the three months ended December 31, 2000.

OK, no one, not even Napster, has made money on music people listen to. Who the fuck makes money on spoken word MP3's? What were they thinking? That audiobooks would make the leap?

As a result of the above factors, Salon recorded a net loss after taxes of $5.6 million, or $0.43 per share loss for the three months ended December 31, 2000 compared to a net loss after taxes of $6.4 million, or $0.57 per share loss for three months ended December 31, 1999. Salon recorded a net loss after taxes of $13.6 million, or $1.06 per share loss for the nine months ended December 31, 2000 compared to a net loss after taxes of $15.8 million, or $1.90 per share loss for the nine months ended December 31, 1999. In December 2000, Salon eliminated twenty positions and an additional four positions subsequent to December 31, 2000 to reduce payroll costs.

Salon currently anticipates that its available cash resources will be sufficient to meet its anticipated needs for working capital and capital expenditures for approximately the next three to six months, depending on the revenues generated during the period and the continuing reduction of operating expenses. Salon will most likely need to raise additional funds, however, to fund operations, to fund its software development efforts, and to develop new or enhance existing services. If Salon raises additional funds by selling equity securities, or securities which convert into equity securities, the percentage ownership of Salon's stockholders will be reduced and its stockholders will most likely experience additional dilution. Salon cannot be sure that additional financing will be available on terms favorable to Salon, or at all. If adequate funds are not available on acceptable terms, if at all, Salon's ability to continue operations, react to competitive pressures, or take advantage of unanticipated opportunities will be substantially limited. In addition, Salon's business could be significantly adversely affected.

The stock is worth $0.35. Who will buy it (excepting their officers)?

Our success significantly depends on key editorial and design personnel. In addition, because our users must perceive the content of our Web as having been created by credible and notable sources, our success also depends on the name recognition and reputation of our editorial staff, in particular David Talbot, Salon's founder and editor-in-chief.

Our future success depends to a significant extent on the continued services of key personnel, particularly, David Talbot, Salon's editor-in-chief and Michael O'Donnell, Chief Executive Officer. We currently have no employment agreement with Mr. Talbot and we do not maintain "key person" life insurance for any of our personnel. The loss of the services of Mr. Talbot, Mr. O'Donnell, or other key employees would likely have a significantly adverse effect on our business.

Oh yeah. Anyone can lose money. His key editorial vision is costing the company $1.8 million a month. And Salon is not eager to display the salaries of their officers on their 10K, 10Q or on their web site. But being intrepid, we found them.

Source: http://view.equill.com/id/af3ed0e33d31fcb4"

David Talbot, 47 Chairman, Editor-in-Chief $226K

Michael O'Donnell, 35 CEO, Pres $226K

Patrick Hurley, 37 Sr. VP, Operations $119K

Robert O'Callahan, 49 VP of Fin. and Admin., CFO,
Treasurer --

Jeffrey Dickerson, 26 VP of Technology $178K

Dollar amounts are as of 31-Mar-2000 and compensation values are for the fiscal year ending on that date; "Pay" is salary, bonuses, etc...

These are the top suckers....er Mutual Fund/Instutional Fund investors

Source: http://view.equill.com/id/af3ed0e33d31fcb4

Oppenheimer Enterprise Fund 267,900 $72,333

Nationwide Separate Account Trust-Small Company Fund 24,000 $6,480

Spartan Total Market Index Fund 5,600 $1,512

Spartan Extended Market Index Fund 4,600 $1,242

Oppenheimer Small Cap Growth Variable Account 3,600
$972

Vantagepoint Mid/Small Company Fund 300 $81

Bear Stearns Asset Management, Inc. 644,330 $173,969

Portola Group, Inc. 395,670 $106,831

MDT Advisors Inc. 386,598 $104,381

Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Company 10,000 $2,700

Taunus Corporation 1,244 $336

Unionbancal Corp 700 $189

Bear, Stearns & Company 400 $108

So why does Talbot get over $200K a year to lose money? A better question to ask is why does he get to buy stock at $0.20 a share. Oh yeah. Let's explain this again. When a company allows directors to buy stock, they have the ability to turn it over, because someone, day traders, penny stock players, think they can play the stock. He will make money off these shares. Other players have been dumping the stock over the last few months, realizing that they were fucked.


Why Salon is Failing

Salon has made $8 million in the last calendar year while spending $30 million. It spent more on content alone than it took in during 2000. Who the hell is running this company.

For all the dewy-eyed whiners who think they can save Salon by subscribing, think again. This company is allergic to raising money. They have ridiculous expenses, with a bloated staff and they have never gotten around to the reality that their company is way too large to make money in this capacity. Charging readers will not solve this problem, nor will ad sales or any other revenue enhancer, not even porn. Salon currently has a burn rate of $1.8 million a month. What is even worse is the burn is spreading, not contracting. They're spending even more money as they lose money.

Another issue has to be these inflated executive salaries. Once again, Officer salary is more than cash. Relative to his old-media brethren, Talbot and his fellow officers are making fairly high salaries, with access to stocks. What most observers do not get is this: A million shares at $1 a share is a million dollars. A lot of money. Most of their expenses are paid for by the company, as they can be under the law. But what it does is defray their daily living costs. Some companies expense everything. Some just meals and travel. At the senior executive level, a lot more gets covered. And it saves them thousands a year.

Also consider that Salon hired a lot of friends and family as they started up. There is every reason to factor that in with their inexplicable growth. Salon is a pre-boom company, as is iVillage. Their high spending patterns along with their poor management (and losing $60m is poor management), have gone on for years with management friendly, even management lackey, boards, allowing all kinds of expenditures on their behalf.

Take Talbot -- without the web, he would have remained a section editor at one of the least distinguished major newspapers in America, the SF Examiner. It is unlikely he would have been hired by a national paper to be a section editor, much less run a major publication where he was expected to manage millions a year in budget.

Salon's management has never been willing to deal with cost containment. How can a company, knowing that economic conditions are getting worse, ramp up their spending? Which Salon did.

They own properties of dubious value. The Well is relic of the mid-90's and stagnant, having lost much of its influence as the web grew. The only people who see value in it are the Bay Area elites who used it in the first place. Looking at the top officers bios, you see one missing gap: magazine experience. Yes, magazines can be a scam. But they are critical to the kind of work Salon does, since it really isn't a newspaper. Instead, it's another group of techies trying to run a magazine. Not one even mid-level publishing executive who might not fall in love with money drains like the Well or MP3Lit, a truly dim-witted idea, or trying to charge subscriptions.

Make no mistake, this is their final gasp, and one should not be fooled into thinking that a subscription will help save them. It might bump up the stock price, it might make news, but subs cannot and should not be used to cover for an inept management that has refused to reduce costs to a reasonable level. Their expenditures INCREASED as the company's stock value, never high, fell through the floor and into delisting land.

What is not being said about Salon's management is that while you may like the content, 148 people, AFTER layoffs, says the management there is not serious about either stemming losses or getting costs under control. While Salon had a relatively dim reception in the equity markets, people need to get a clue. Any entry into those markets enriches the officers, who will own enough shares to make money, even as the company craps out. The only way employees can cash in is if the stock holds it value. Salon didn't. No company can lose a million a month and then watch it climb to nearly $2m a month in under a year.
 
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Name: bob jones
Email: bjones@sds.com
Date: Sun Apr 29 15:44:10 2001
Comment: Worse for Salon is their very leftish agenda which turns a lot of people off. They should have done some net demographics before purusing such a direction.

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Date: Fri Apr 27 22:44:17 2001
Comment: Microbe in Salon Footbath Is Suspected in Boil Outbreak

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/27/health/27NAIL.html

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Date: Thu Apr 26 17:02:54 2001
Comment: The reason why I would claim that Mr. Gilliard hasn't done a very good reporting job, and may indeed have a hatchet to bear is because the blame for Salon's failure shouldn't be placed on David Talbot. He didn't make the business decisions, although he certainly had a say. Talbot is the editorial figurehead. Talbot has his own peccadillos to answer for, but he isn't the primary guilty party here.

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Date: Wed Apr 25 19:09:29 2001
Comment: Here's an annotated letter from Talbot, posted today (wednesday)

Dear Salon reader,

Last month, I announced that Salon would soon begin asking you to help support our publishing enterprise by subscribing to a premium version of the Web site. Well, that day of reckoning has arrived. Today we introduce Salon Premium, a special edition that allows you to turn off banner and pop-up advertising and that's laced with editorial extras available only to subscribers, such as a daily White House watchdog column (Bushed!), our irresistible blow-by-blow accounts of reality TV shows and a weekly gallery of erotic art. Other special features will be added to the Salon Premium mix in coming weeks.

They want people to pay for yet another White House reporter, no pop-ups, and (gasp) porn?

As I explained in my last letter, Salon is taking the step of charging readers for this premium edition because advertising revenue alone cannot cover our publishing costs, even after stringent budget-cutting measures. For Salon to succeed, we must ask our readers to help defray our expenses, as do readers of print publications. While the Web has changed much about the economics of publishing -- Salon does not have to pay printing bills or trucking and postal fees, for instance -- some verities remain the same: Employees must be paid, reporters flown to news-making places, landlords kept at bay. In other words, the new economy turns out to bear a strong resemblance to the old.

Now, that's a revelation. But why should anyone support Salon, when good free Web journalism is as common as pop-up ads?

When I started Salon over five years ago with a small band of like-minded rebels from the newspaper world, I had no idea how many readers would be drawn to our experiment in Web publishing. All I knew was that after 20 years in journalism, I was demoralized by its mediocrity and homogeneity. I hungered to edit a publication that wasn't market-tested and sanitized (for whose protection?), but rang with the raucous voices of a smart and uncowed staff. I looked to a colorful journalistic lineage for inspiration, from Walt Whitman and the early populist penny presses of New York to Mark Twain and the rowdy broadsheets of gold rush San Francisco. Each generation of American journalism has been replenished by misfits; just as newspapers and magazines begin to lose their lifeblood, turning as gray and spineless as earthworms, along comes a Harold Ross, A.J. Liebling, Clay Felker, I.F. Stone, Warren Hinckle, Jann Wenner, Kurt Andersen and countless unsung editors and publishers of underground papers, zines and other tabloids of eccentricity.

OK - quit the name-dropping for a moment. I'm impressed, but not for $30. That's what you want - my money, isn't it? And nobody I know ever called Salon "raucous". But "Born to Be Mild? - yup.

When the Internet seized my attention in 1994, I realized that journalism was being offered a democratic moment of unprecedented importance. A million and one presses would begin disseminating their version of all the news that was fit to print all around the globe. In the Web's early years, my expectations were not disappointed. From HotWired to Feed to Suck to Drudge to Slate to the Onion -- and later Slashdot, Jim Romenesko and Andrew Sullivan -- all the most vital new journalism was being practiced online. What Whitman wrote of the vibrantly democratic and often lurid penny newspapers that revolutionized American journalism in the 1830s and '40s could be said about the Internet press: "Everywhere their influence is felt. No man can measure it, for it is immeasurable."

I was proud for Salon to be part of this first wave of online media. I believe that our daily chili pot of reporting and crusading, politics and literature, sex and philosophy, is true to the great tradition of populist journalism. We see no contradiction between high and low; the entire human comedy is material for a good reporter's notebook. We are not a niche publication; we attempt to cover the world, and we do it with a lean crew of 36 editors and reporters. Not blessed, or burdened, with the bloated newsroom staff of your average daily newspaper, we try to compensate with wit and enterprise.

But the financial challenges of running a Web publication are more daunting than ever. Many of the best pioneering sites have gone out of business, and their disappearance has dimmed the early promise of the Web as an innovative news medium. It grows more clear every day that without the support of their readers, many of the finest Web sites cannot survive -- and everyone's list of favorite bookmarks will continue to shrink.

Few journalistic enterprises had the gall to become public companies. How expensive is it to run a 'zine? Why did you have to ruin everything and run to Wall Street? Did you want to take over the world or something?

Fortunately, Salon's brand of journalism seems to have struck a chord. Over the years, we have managed to build a monthly readership that is nearly 3 million strong. From the daily torrent of e-mail that Salon receives, it's clear that many of these readers use Salon as their daily newspaper, or at least as a second opinion. As the American news product becomes increasingly dull and formatted, the public's hunger for feisty news outlets grows. We're now appealing to our large, and we'd like to think devoted, readership to keep Salon's unique voice booming by subscribing to Salon Premium. For $30 a year -- less in today's dollars than a yearly subscription to Walt Whitman's two-penny-a-day newspaper, the Aurora -- readers can avail themselves of Salon Premium's exclusive features while contributing to the vitality of the American press.

3 million non-paying, not-exactly-passionate readers. Sort of like Juno's subscribers.

A good newspaper, either print or electronic, is more than just a coffee-fueled diversion. It's a lifeline to the world; it simultaneously connects us to a global family of shared concerns and reminds us who we are as individuals. For me, it takes only a day or two without the New York Times, or public radio, to remind me how important these bases are in my life. We have tried to make Salon just as essential a daily companion -- one filled with reporting and writing so strong you want to send it to your friends or write back to us in love or fury.

If you agree that you can't find anything else like Salon -- either online or off -- please click here to find out more and subscribe. In return, we promise to keep making a difference in your life.

Same-o Same-o. I can't count the number of tech companies that have promised to make a difference in my life. Sorry, Talbot - this kind of grandiosity is going to get you nowhere - or at least it's not going to get you my $30. You know, $30 is also a week's worth of food for us pizza-eating unemployed people - you might not think it's a lot (hell, it doesn't even buy two drinks in any trendy SF publishing bar), but it is to a lot of people. Your journalism, nor matter how "essential" or "life changing" you say it is, isn't something that my family can eat.

Name: MoneyGuy
Email: Money@fuckedcompany.com
Date: Wed Apr 25 19:09:24 2001
Comment: Thank you Schrumpater

No, not a pud perp (that sounds sort of tacky if you say it fast). I have been a regular poster over there and have an autoforward e-mail address that comes in to my AOL account. I prefer that over hotmail type of anonymous accounts, that's all.

Actually working my ways towards way less time on the FC chatboard.

Name: schrumpater
Email:
Date: Wed Apr 25 18:05:48 2001
Comment: Hey MoneyGuy,
Your remarks are worth reading. But what's with the FC e-mail addy? Are you one of Pud's perps?

Name: MoneyGuy
Email: MoneyGuy@fuckedcompany.com
Date: Wed Apr 25 15:50:16 2001
Comment: Some nit picking comments


"By looking at a variety of financial statements, it is clear that no subscription plan is likely to save the company."

COMMENT: We have an immediate issue here. A subscription plan is a marketing issue. Whether it will work or not can simply not be projected from financial statements. You CAN get a handle on current # of subscribers but that is all you can get. But a rear view look at financial results is a poor basis for determining whether a new pricing/marketing program will work.

"Wow. a loss rate of $12 million a year. $1m a month. While that is obviously not applicable over the life of the company, the average rate of loss has been over $1m a month, every month."

COMMENT: No company (NO company? NO Company? ) can lose a million a month and then watch it climb to nearly $2m a month in under a year. So what? That may or may not be relevant. Look at the burn rate for cell operators in the early 80?s for a real shocker.

"Another company relying on a limited advertiser base to provide revenue in a down market. "

COMMENT: Market conditions are certainly poor for those who sell ad space, no doubt about it. And for the record, I have been negative on ad-based web entities for several years. But a single 10% customer hardly counts as a limited advertiser base. In fact, I?d say they are doing quite good in terms of having a diversified customer base according to these numbers.

"When you look at the way the company discloses its debt"

COMMENT: DEBT? This isn?t a debt or liability section, it was a revenue section. This is a labeling error on Steve?s part and reflects the fact he is a journalist and not a finance guy, accountant or some similar profession. Minor quibble.

"...you immediately see that Salon appears to be playing cute with the reader. They are separating the first three quarters from the last quarter. Why? To make the reader add the losses up in their head. In most cases, you read over it. Their revenue was $8.3m in 2000 and $9.4 in 1999."

COMMENT: Total agreement on this point, they are trying to cover up their tracks on falling revs. That?s why I use the actual financial statement tables to compare. These have required format structures. When I read a 10Q, 10K, or business financials for a private company, I start at the back with the notes from the auditor. That?s where real information tends to reside. As I go through the notes, I?m forced back to the financial tables so everything starts to correlate appropriately. I read the management discussion last. The more BS relative to the actual financials, the more I am inclined to run away. Steve appears to be going through the discussion first (or he did this in a different article in which case ignore me here).

"Cute. They only discuss the revenues for the last three months. So they took in $2.3m in the last quarter of 2000 and spent $2.5 million on content ALONE. Please explain how subscriptions will save this company? How will this work? They are spending more than they take in per quarter on CONTENT alone. That's people like me. Editors. Photographers. Design."

COMMENT: This comment strikes me as totally non-sensical. What are you trying to say here? Your point seems oddly out of place and illogical.

"OK, no one, not even Napster, has made money on music people listen to. Who the fuck makes money on spoken word MP3's? What were they thinking? That audiobooks would make the leap?"

COMMENT: Yes, right on. This is one point. I think this is a key point for 2 reasons. As Steve points out, you have to wonder what management was thinking when they bought it in the first place. Second, and what I think is bad, is the way this is written, it sounds like they bought it on a snap, and only later did their due diligence into that market space to understand what existed and what was possible. It was an opportunistic purchase with no research instead of a component in a strategic plan.

"For all the dewy-eyed whiners who think they can save Salon by subscribing, think again. This company is allergic to raising money. They have ridiculous expenses, with a bloated staff and they have never gotten around to the reality that their company is way too large to make money in this capacity. Charging readers will not solve this problem, nor will ad sales or any other revenue enhancer, not even porn."

COMMENT: And Steve reaches these conclusions how? These are rather bold assertions based upon unspecified market adoption rates. Something like, ?It appears unlikely ? would be more appropriate. In business analysis with a forward looking tilt, no one has a perfect crystal ball?weird stuff happens sometimes.

"Salon currently has a burn rate of $1.8 million a month. What is even worse is the burn is spreading, not contracting. They're spending even more money as they lose money."

COMMENT: I find this a somewhat simplistic rear view mirror attack. Much of the past year spending increase was on sales and marketing. Steve should discuss that. Sounds like the company knew they had troubles and tried to sales/market their way to profitability. Not necessarily a bad idea. It failed ? miserably. But there are times when you are losing money and the only way to turn around the company is to spend more. Thus, my claim that this is a simplistic summary on Steve?s part.

"Make no mistake, this is their final gasp, and one should not be fooled into thinking that a subscription will help save them. It might bump up the stock price, it might make news, but subs cannot and should not be used to cover for an inept management that has refused to reduce costs to a reasonable level."

COMMENT: ??? Should not?that seems rather arbitrary. Steve has clearly crossed over from analysis to social editorials here.

No company (COMMENT: NO company? NO Company? Careful with broad brush generalizations. They can get you into trouble.) can lose a million a month and then watch it climb to nearly $2m a month in under a year.


SUMMARY COMMENT: Steve is doing thankless work here. Trying to get people -- investors and journalists -- to take 1 hour to review financial statements, read the notes, understand the dollar flows,... to really know what is happening...that is a tough task. He has cut some corners on what is offered here. In general, he is very much onpoint. He is right on target in a general sense and I am not trying to somehow negate what he is offering. I am trying to help differentiate factual analysis with broad brush generalizations and assumptions. In the middle of an analysis, it is remarkably easy to inadvertently make that crossover.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Tue Apr 24 13:57:01 2001
Comment: My letter to Media News in reponse

Jim,

I will grant that Salon has cut costs, but they haven't cut nearly enough to be close to profitable. Until they issue their next 10Q, working off their 10K is the only way to guess what the company has made.

One of the core problems that Salon faces is that they have historically spent more on content than they have brought in. Not just in 2000, but in the previous two years as well. While everyone applauds solid content, to spend more on content alone than the entire company brings is a recipe for disaster. My point was not that they had spent 1.8m per month, but that their rate of
loss had increased in the last quarter, not
diminished.

What Rosenberg doesn't mention, but any reader can conclude is, that Salon has been cutting staff for months, controlling costs for months, and their losses continue to grow. They have fired writers and eliminated whole sections, yet the losses grew not only the last year, but the last quarter. Obviously, their efforts to contain costs failed last year, BY THEIR OWN NUMBERS. One can only wonder what would have happened if they had not instituted basic budgetary controls.

The point I think investors would make to Rosenberg and his boss. Talbot, is that whether the burn rate is 1.8m or 1m or 200K, successful companies have profitable quarters, not burn rates.

Instead of looking at how Salon has planned to charge readers for using parts of the site, which is a questionable strategy at best, looking at how they will live within a 8-10m budget is a far more reasonable question and the only indicator of how long the company can survive.

If past performance is any indicator, it is unlikely they will be able to do so, since they lost more than twice what they took in last year and have lost money every year since they were founded.

Steve Gilliard
NetSlaves

Name: schrumpater
Email:
Date: Tue Apr 24 01:45:02 2001
Comment: http://www.poynter.org/medianews/letters.htm#SALON

Steve, Scott Rosenberg (Salon Managing Editor) disagrees with you. Care to debate the numbers?

Name: mike
Email:
Date: Mon Apr 23 16:50:11 2001
Comment: I wish every corporate public document had translation as good as this. It makes me think about how corrupt the stock rating system is, where brokerages recommend the stocks they already own, and buy recommendations outnumber sell by 100 or more to 1.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Sun Apr 22 08:59:00 2001
Comment: Blank,

You know, you're making the same argument that the APBNews guys made. Let me explain something to you that eludes most writers: publications have to make money. Hell, anyone can write great stories, but they can't get seen or read unless the company makes a profit.

You're talking about loyalty and media behemoths and I'm telling you that unless you make money, you do not have a business. The APB guys made the same silly arguments and now realize I was right about what would happen.

The few survivors are litigating to get their wages. And they screamed just as loud, and they used their names. Names I recognized and respected.

So, I may be everything you say, but the fact is that the numbers are the numbers and they will not change no matter how loudly you scream or insult me. Because they are SALON's numbers, not mine.

What is it with writers? Loyalty is not money. Hard work is not good management. Salon is a business, not an adjunct of Stanford's or Berkeley's journalism program. If Talbot cannot make a profit for the shareholders, he should be replaced.

I'm not for Mark Willes type bean counting, but the only way to keep publications alive is by intelligent management. Not by sophmoric appeals to "loyalty". You want me to appreciate loyalty? Make a profit so the writers can keep their job.

The sad part is that if Talbot had been less ambitious and left the TV show and the bloated staff alone, Salon would be in a position to make money and continue their work. Instead, they're gonna crash and all the vitriol in the world will not change that.

But even if I am an idiot, and only one shareholder or employee figures how their company got in the toilet, I have done my job.

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Email:
Date: Sun Apr 22 03:32:34 2001
Comment: Anonymity is fine in and of itself. But when someone is spewing such over the top, hate-filled, wild accusations filled with personal attacks like this guy is, yet doesn't even have the balls to post a name and address, his credibility is below zero. He obviously either has a very close connection to Salon, or else has a personal thing against Steve. Either way, his allegations come off as laughable.

Name: Rob
Email: robert.lewis@telstra.com
Date: Sun Apr 22 02:47:15 2001
Comment: Blank,

You say

"I literally looked at about four sentences at random. Each one of them contained a factual error. "

Which 4 sentences were they and what was the error?

Name: David
Email: dleeds@bigpong.com
Date: Sun Apr 22 01:48:55 2001
Comment: Wow, this unnamed fellow certainly has a chip on his or her shoulder.

Obviously has a stake in this company - either works for it, or has shares.

Keep up the good work Steve. It was an impressive piece of work.

PS. Is it my turn to get shot now?? :)

Name: Thomas Muntzer
Email: muntzer@thepalace.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 23:38:53 2001
Comment: Hey blank. Is that better? Now I'm a self-identified aristo. Woo Hoo.

Name: nan
Email:
Date: Sat Apr 21 23:36:31 2001
Comment: Hey "non Salon staffer"--

I just adore guys who doth protesteth too much. Somehow the shriller and shriller they get, and the more their ideas get repeated over and over until they stop making sense eons ago, well I just think it really turns me on. Oh yeah. Misguided men rule.

Name: Thomas Muntzer
Email: muntzer@peasantsrevolt.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 23:32:42 2001
Comment: Actually blank, if you knew anything about history, you'd get the joke when it comes to my e-mail address and name.

Of course it's public information, but a nice digest on a website is *welcome* every once in a while. Last time I checked the New York Times technology coverage they were doing puff pieces.

Name:
Email:
Date: Sat Apr 21 23:30:21 2001
Comment: So, you get all your information from netslaves, and if it doesn't show up here, you don't know about it? Whose fault is that? It's not as if this is guarded information, or available only to the priviledged class. The only person "excluding" you was you.

And what's with this self-identification as "slaves" and "peasants" and so forth? Ah yes, blame everbody but yourselves for your failures. The very theme of this site. Seems kinda sick and twisted to me.

Name: Thomas Munzter
Email: muntzer@peasantsrevolt.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 23:23:40 2001
Comment: > Everybody already knew EVERTHING YOU POINTED >OUT here. Long ago.

I didn't. I guess I've been excluded as usual, only this time from "everybody." Please revise to "anybody who's anybody" and I might agree with you.

Name:
Email:
Date: Sat Apr 21 23:04:06 2001
Comment: Uh, I don't work for Salon, Steve. You got that wrong, too.

You think stockholders are owed an explanation -- and you are giving it to them. Poor, misguided stockholders. What would they do without you? Jes' hardworkin' folks -- not like me, a guy so rich I don't need to work -- jes' reg'lar people. That's who you are working for, Steve? What, people with enough money and sufficient lack of brainpower to invest in an Internet content site? This is who you think needs your avuncular guardianship?

You're an idiot, Steve. Nobody's arguing that Salon's a viable business. Only that you have done nothing whatsoever of consequence here. You have cut. You have pasted. But you have shed no light on anything other than your own severely limited capacity to recognize reality. Do you honestly think there are people out there who believe Salon might be a good investnment? People who otherwise might be yelling "buy!" buy! buy!" into their phones right now if it weren't for you and your little screed here?

There's a reason the stock is trading at 35 cents or whatever. That reason is: everybody already knows all this. See how it works? And all without your helpful guidance.

Or is it "the workers" you are mostly cutting and pasting for? well, you know, Salon's problems have been apparent for a really long time now, Steve. Anybody who works at Salon has made their choice to stay, and not based on some hoped-for options windfall. And -- again, pay attention here -- they and everybody else knew all this LONG BEFORE you decided to further humiliate yourself here.

Nope, business laws aren't exempt. Did you show here that some people thought they were? I'm not finding that part....

And I like a lot of Salon's content, though I also don't like a lot of it. What I mostly like is watching a bunch of highly dedicated people scrapping and pulling and keeping loyal and working hard to make their little site work -- despite the idiotic management decisions. Despite the insanity of taking Salon public. They believe in what they are doing and they are working incredibly hard to maintain their independence against a takeover from some media behemoth. Is Netslaves opposed to this ethic? Have you done anything similar? Of course not, instead of trying to do something meaningful or of consequence, you set up staw-man enemies and in attacking them here you pretend you are standing up for the working classes or little-old-lady pensioners, or whatever claptrap. But really, you contribute nothing. You are of no use to anybody. Your accomplishments are zero, unless you count declaring yourself a member of a victim class some sort of accomplishment.

You paint Talbot as some sort of fatcat getting rich off the masses (although, that's how you portray everybody), when really he's just a journalist whose ambitions are bigger than his business savvy. 200K or so is NOTHING. Do you see? It's a good wage, all right, but you say something in here about how it's a lot compared to other media. Well, no. It's not. Of course, you could have checked out that assertion -- you know, reporting 101. But why bother? So uch easier to cut and paste SEC documents.

And why the fuck do you keep insisting that you are first with all this? Ah, yes, the Napoleonic thing again. This isn't "reporting 101," it's NOTHING. You have done NOTHING. Listen: Everybody already knew EVERTHING YOU POINTED OUT here. Long ago. OK? Clear? You have accomplished absolutely nothing whatsoever here, except to embarrass yourself.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 22:22:46 2001
Comment: Blank,

I keep thinking about all those shareholders who invested in your company (oops, Salon) and watched it go down the toilet.

You can be sarcastic all day long, but the fact is that the workers, who were counting on options as compensation, have seen the stock sink to pennies. Outside investors have lost 90+ percent of their investment.

Is this not an issue? Does this not matter? Are the laws of business exempt for Salon because you like their content.

I think stockholders are actually owed an explaination on why their hard earned money is lost. It may not suit your purposes, you may not like it. But Salon is more than in trouble. Salon is headed towards bankruptcy. Any company which spends more than it takes in is going to fail.

You may not want to admit this, but unless someone buys Salon, everyone there will be unemployed by mid-summer. How can they not be?

And exactly what is your argument? That I'm pointing this out? That is isn't a big deal? I'm sorry, losing 60m is a big deal. Having corporate officers finance their life off investors is a big deal. It matters.

Maybe not to you or your friends, but to people who work for a living, real jobs, who were playing the market, they got hosed. And they aren't supposed to be.

Instead of getting indignant and attacking my meager grammar skills, ask what happens to them.

Please vent. I didn't lose any money and I've been insulted before. But while you do this, ask yourself this: has Salon been managed in a way which serves its investors and employees?

Even I, with my bad grammar and deficient math skills, can figure out the the answer is no. I think other people might want to know that, despite my flaws.

See, because you can insult me without really questioning the numbers. You can call me a bucktooth asshole monkey fucker, but I'll be here and Salon probably won't.

You know, you could use your name and submit a full article calling me and asshole or debating the facts, although you can't really argue there, can you.

But that is what people do when they can't argue facts, argue that the author sucks, can't add and tells people how to brush their teeth. And I am the first to admit that this is reporting 101. Which is why it is so shocking no one had bothered to do it before running the latest PR spin.

I'm ashamed, not proud, to point this out. I'm ashamed that journalists can't write a simple financial story using facts and not PR spin and loaded numbers.

I take no pride in doing this, because if it take a bunch of guys on a website to do this, American journalism is a shameful business.

Which I found out by people telling me programmers had a problem with personal hygiene. I brush my teeth daily.

But then, if I were going to be canned, I'd kick the messenger instead of the boss. After all, it would make for an ugly scene in the office, debating all those complex numbers.

Name:
Email:
Date: Sat Apr 21 21:53:31 2001
Comment: You display an interesting mix of developmental disability and Napoleonic Complex.

But thank god you are there, Steve, showing us the way. For, without you, how would we have ever uncovered the hidden truth that Talbot has an expense account? And that he ACTUALLY USES IT to write off meals and travel. Yes, Carl Bernstein Breath, you blew the lid off another scandal. Salon is just a way for Talbot to get free eats!

And the way you quoted those routine paragraphs from the SEC filings -- my God man, you have more investigative talent in your little finger than the staffs of the Post and the Wall Street Journal combined. Imagine the HUBRIS of trying to report nine months at a time, instead of 12, and thinking nobody would notice! And, as you point out, even if they DID notice -- they would have to add two numbers together. And as we know, nobody but you could do that, Steve.

Why, if it weren't for you, none of us would ever know that Salon is in trouble. We'd all be moving blithely though our lives thinking it was a solid business with nothing but positive prospects, yessir. Becaue, as you say, this is the FIRST TIME anybody had brought these facts to light. No media outlet or investment firm has done it -- til now. It took you and your cut-and-paste skills, your keen knowledge of corporate finance, and your outrageous lack of awareness of the basic points of grammar to show us The Light.

I mean, between this and your advice on how to brush my teeth before a job interview, I now know all I need to know in order to live. Thank you, Steve. And thank Jesus for you.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 18:58:21 2001
Comment: You asked my opinion. I gave it to you.

Yet, from what I read about Salon, no one has ever explained why or how the company is losing money. Investors do not often investigate the companies they invest in except to see what the price is and how it's doing.

You're encouraged to point to any article has a comment by Talbot on why he spends more on content alone than the entire company has made, or why they bought the Well and MP3Lit, knowing neither would ever be a profit center.

You're free to disagree.

And while we've been sloppy, and unfair and downright mean, I don't think I'd let someone write about their failed marriage, brother-in-law or controversal treatment without getting the other side.

So when Salon is sold or goes out of business, don't say you didn't read exactly why it did so.
In fact, I encourage you to read and criticize every word on this site, every day. Hell, come back three or four times a day. And click on the banner ads as well.

Name:
Email:
Date: Sat Apr 21 17:36:59 2001
Comment: I'm not going to read this (PART 2!!!) long, insane drivel. I've read plenty of that before to know how useless it would be.

So, basically you are saying that Salon's losing money and is in big trouble. Hey, great news flash. Good work, Steve, nobody else got that one. What would investors do without you?

But I gotta love this:

"What I dislike about them is simple: too much of their work is simply unfair and or sloppy."

I'll just let that sit there and serve as its own commentary.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 17:29:36 2001
Comment: Actually, that's 60 by 5, since they began publishing in mid 1995.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 17:28:15 2001
Comment: Blank,

Actually, you can quibble with the math, but you'd have to point out which errors there are to actually make a case here.

Salon has lost a great deal of money, which these public documents show. To say that they lost 12m a year is not a fact. They clearly have not lost 12m a year, unless you divide 60 by 6. The loss has accumulated over every year and increased. actually losing 12m a year would show that they had some costs under control. Yet, the figure climbs each year. This year to nearly 22m.

So I should have used the word average. And one could argue that they did include the figures for the entire year. But those are not errors of fact. The way the document is written, one can conclude they highlighted the last three months. Why? Because it was a 10Q and not a 10K? To mislead the reader? All opinion.

There isn't anything actionable here, not that you know what that is. The central conclusion is that Salon loses more money than it brings in, and the figures I use are my opinion, not a statement of financial fact, which is provided.

The fact is that an expert analysis of their finances might even draw harsher conclusions. I'm not an accountant, but the compay's own analysis is grim.

But if you think I really care about my article being bounced from Salon, you must be drunk. That was five years ago, and they asked me to submit a spec article, not the other way around. What I dislike about them is simple: too much of their work is simply unfair and or sloppy. What is good is very good. But what isn't is often trite or wrong.

But that's not the point here.

The point is that Salon has lost so much money that subcriptions will not save them. The reader base cannot support the kind of money they need to survive. Is there really 21m in subs out there? Is there 2m in subs?

I may be a streetcorner loonie who never got past geometry in high school, but I can read a profit and loss statement. And there is nothing insane about concluding that Salon is not long for this world unless they are bought.

You may not like reading criticism of Salon, so you are free to dig up another fawning portrait of Talbot and Salon. None of which references the financial data found in five, no, two minutes of looking.

Also, I think it is entirely fair to say that Talbot worked for a bad newspaper, one he ridicules in his own publication, and that while he may have been liked, editing the arts and leisure section of the Examiner is not exactly the same as running the New York Times magazine.

His management has cost investors 60m. That's a fact. While he may or may not be a good editor, his publishing has been one of the largest disasters in the field of American journalism. Salon could lose millions more before going under, never having been close to profitability.
Which is what I talk about in this article.

You are free to disagree with my conclusions, but unless you're blinded by an irrational love of Salon and have no business sense, you might grant me a point or two.

Also, most of what I write for are dull trades and corporate stuff. Nothing to get the heart beating.

Name:
Email:
Date: Sat Apr 21 16:42:10 2001
Comment: I literally looked at about four sentences at random. Each one of them contained a factual error. Steve has gone off on Salon before -- it all goes back to Salon turning down one of his story pitches a few years ago.

Steve, you obviously have some sort of mental problems, so I won't go too far here, but I will say that perhaps you should go back to your little mother-hen columns about how people should wash themselves and act nicely during job interviews.

If I had time, or a personal stake in this, I would comb through this baby for actionable false allegations, but whatever. Steve is like a streetcorner loonie yelling for all to hear about some insane notion that has overtaken his brain.

Steve, where else but here has your work appeared? How to you pay your rent?

Name: dotcolon
Email:
Date: Sat Apr 21 12:04:24 2001
Comment: >> Cards turn this into a joke. The investors who lost millions

Carl, I think you're on the right track with financial misdeeds cards, but I think, instead of cards, it's more of a rap sheet on NS... Along with contextual charts that show who knew what and when, relationships to each other... Best example I can find is this (last time I'll use same link). That kind of idea. But done seriously, as Steve is saying.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 10:17:49 2001
Comment: Alex,

If you have those URL's, please post them or send them to me. Dotcom workers are, with little exception, not going to kill their coworkers. They'll commit industrial sabotage or leak it to the media, not walk in with an AK-47.

The genesis of the "exit" strategy came from Hollywood spook Gavin DeBecker. He was one of the people who advocated this approach. And from a security aspect, it makes sense. In an industrial workplace, especially when someone is fired for cause, but you do that crap at Boeing or Ford, the shop steward would shut the floor down in 30 seconds. They know what that looks like and they wouldn't tolerate it.

Same at a newspaper or TV station with unions. No way. It is humiliating and in most cases, overkill. Besides, it's useless. If you were going to kill your coworkers with Sgt. Kalashnikov's masterpiece, the glass windows and feeble card locks would not stop you. If you're smart, you took all the stolen shit months ago, weeks ago, days ago. If you know the IT stuff, you could have sneaked Back Orifice in the system months ago or just install a backdoor of your choosing.

But my feeling is that it is an insurance covered and mandated cost for layoffs. Which is why fucked company is so important. It gives you that 24-48 hour head start to protect your ass in a layoff, if the company is posted.

Carl,

The baseball card idea was lame. It was SF cute for a while, but this ain't about Kim Polese's titties now. Let me put it this way, you see Kim Polese, and Monica Lewinsky, the odds are you going home with Monica. I've seen Kim in person and she was less than impressive.

Cards turn this into a joke. The investors who lost millions, and you will not believe who invested in these companies, are not laughing now.

Actually, it isn'tjust 10Q's I'm using, but that will be explained.

Name: Carl Guderian
Email: carlg@vermilion-sands.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 05:30:29 2001
Comment: Great work on the 10Qs. Since journalists tend to be lazy or pressed for time, how about baseball trading cards of your favorite moguls? Suck did this for awhile, but emphasized the principals' silliness and bad behavior, not financial misdeeds.

Stats such as salary vs. company profitability, previous experience and felony convictions (if any), would be useful, especially in the case of serial bastards.

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Email:
Date: Sat Apr 21 03:18:31 2001
Comment: re: salon

Good riddance to pompous posers. They invited themselves. They know where the door is. May it
hit them in the ass on their way out.

Extraordinarily Unimpressed

Name: Alex Burns
Email: alex@disinfo.com
Date: Sat Apr 21 01:43:56 2001
Comment: Steve: This is an illuminating series, please keep up the great work. I find it insulting that other publications (Fast Company, Business 2.0) will glorify the private security firms who "exit" ex-Dotcom employees, or put a CEO on a $200 million pedestal for "being ahead of the curve" (manipulating the system). "How to Read a 10Q" is a welcome splash of cold water on the media hype.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Fri Apr 20 21:56:56 2001
Comment: Oh this is nothing compared to my next target. You will not believe who invested in this company.

What is amazing is no one is connecting the dots...which is a black New York phrase for making connections between the guilty parties. Oh man, the more you dig, just using public docs, the more you're amazed.

Name: dotcolon
Email:
Date: Fri Apr 20 16:06:52 2001
Comment: >>let's see some of this stuff in the Washpost or Times and then we'll see..but don't hold your breath

That's just it; it won't happen. Doesn't mean NS shouldn't stay dogged about this. I'm not arguing "build it and they will come" -- naive. I'm arguing that having a "rap sheet" at Netslaves may not hurt any of the scam-masters and mistresses in the least. Nor their institutions (like investment banking). I'm simply arguing that, relative small pond or not, having a place to point people to to see an uncovering of the money trail in many of the dotcom scams of 97-00 is a good thing. Will it change anyone? Well probably not. But I still like the idea of having a rap sheet on these people. I may be crazy, but I envision, a year from now, a resource database here which could be checked by -- whomever -- to see about some of the more sordid dealings a prospective CEO or board member may have had in past.

True, with the Peter Principle and all its corrolaries, in many cases having a rap sheet here might only add to the mystique or qualifications of a candidate to partner with on a new biz scheme -- "say, this guy's successfully scammed before, I want some of that mojo on our team". But there are some decent minded business people who might actually want to steer clear of the scam artists.

There's no blindness here about "business as usual". But a wordlwide database tool accessable to anyone with a modem and display device has never been in place before in history - til now. Installed base keeps growing. Email was foreign to most in biz a mere 5 years ago. Now it's folded into standard operating procedures in biz.

The story is not over yet about how the web will have impacts -- large AND small. For now, this could be a small impact, so therefore, I encourage SG and Netslaves to carry one, keep going, dig this stuff up, put it into context, then display it here, and eventually chart it, a la my prior example with Twin Peaks:

http://www.jasonsweb.com/TwinPeaks/whoswho.htm

Name: hottip
Email:
Date: Fri Apr 20 16:05:12 2001
Comment: Tired of those dot com crap. Never invest a dime in it. Never want to work for them. Interview with Snowball once (just for fun already got job) to find out what they are all about. Spell 2 hours with a woman (looks like she come from Haight) talking about nothing but sounds impressive. I believe Snowball (like the rest) are going south fast after that genius reverse stock split. HA HA

Name: samezone
Email:
Date: Fri Apr 20 15:58:53 2001
Comment: I fell badly for Salon. If they had simply stayed a private company, they'd not be in this mess. I simply can't fathom why so many otherwise rational publishing companies go public.

I don't think that Salon is going to go away - it is a very strong brand that (like it or not) is the Web's Gold Standard for content.

Name: Paul
Email:
Date: Fri Apr 20 15:33:36 2001
Comment: With regard to making more money than your last job:

The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.

Name: B Labor
Email:
Date: Fri Apr 20 15:32:57 2001
Comment: Re:

As Netslaves continues to expand upon its credibility base, this will be a great place to check out the down and dirty which is generally treated as below the radar screen of concern in mainstream media.

Only if the permanent government actually figures there's money to be made in expressing indignation at business as usual..let's see some of this stuff in the Washpost or Times and then we'll see..but don't hold your breath

Name: dotcolon
Email:
Date: Fri Apr 20 15:19:31 2001
Comment: >> lining up their next "deals"

True, they may escape legal consequences, but there needs to be a place to (at the very least) humiliate them and keep a spotlight on their deeds. As Netslaves continues to expand upon its credibility base, this will be a great place to check out the down and dirty which is generally treated as below the radar screen of concern in mainstream media.

Name: B Labor
Email:
Date: Fri Apr 20 14:48:01 2001
Comment: Nan:

Hate to dissapoint ya but while we're here looking in horror at these past scams, the players are even as I write probably lining up their next "deals" and "sure things". No one will touch them..its probably biological..related to insect behavior or something..dunno

Name: nan
Email:
Date: Fri Apr 20 14:12:54 2001
Comment: This is unbelievable stuff. I mean, this kind of info is all there for people to find...and so naturally, nobody else is.

I agree with TS. More where this came from. Can't wait to see just how knee-deep in shit some of these companies truly are, despite the bullshit perpetuated in the media by reporters who have no inkling of real legwork and fact checking.

Name: steve gilliard
Email: sgilliard@netslaves.com
Date: Fri Apr 20 13:25:12 2001
Comment: Sis,

Thanks for the compliment. The thing is that I learned to read these docs in an old research job, and while I miss some of the obvious bookkeeping things, management has to explain their actions IN ENGLISH, which helps a lot.

Anyone writing on the viability of Salon needs to look at the numbers before talking to David Talbot or anyone else. The numbers, not the spin, should be the guide.

Also, while I clearly do not want people to be fired, it's widely thought that Salon is too large by about 100 full-time staff. This is playacting, empire building, not trying to build a magazine to last over a five year period. Drudge makes money. Slashdot makes money. They don't make much more in ads, but they make money. Talbot could easily lose 75K on his salary. So could most of the officers.

I would bet that he barely topped 100K in his last job.

There is a rule in the business world: do not expect to make more from a business than your last job. Dotcoms violate this time and again. Carpenter making 400K, Talbot making 226K, rich lawyers and doctors make less and work harder. This is stockholder money going to the executives who are mismanaging the investments.

Name: twisted sistah
Email: bitemybeaver@hotmail.com
Date: Fri Apr 20 11:52:28 2001
Comment:
Steve--PLEASE keep doing this series. You're the first person who ever ripped open the books on these people....it's all public, it's all there, but you are doing a great job aggregating it all...

Fight the good fight.

--TS