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| [00:03:02] | <erifneerg> | christefano: any advantage w/ huncback? |
| [00:03:30] | <christefano> | there may be for some purposes but I use Zen myself |
| [00:04:42] | * stephthegeek prefers hunchbaque |
| [00:05:00] | <stephthegeek> | it's clean but has a lot of good base features |
| [00:05:11] | <stephthegeek> | i like zen but it just got too big for me |
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| [00:08:33] | <JohnAlbin> | stephthegeek: you find using sub-themes too much overhead? |
| [00:08:57] | <JohnAlbin> | (I'm assuming that's the "too big" part of Zen.) |
| [00:09:17] | <drastick> | is hunchback made for 6.X |
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| [00:09:43] | <JohnAlbin> | http://drupal.org/project/hunchbaque |
| [00:09:55] | <JohnAlbin> | There is a 6.x dev version. Not sure how stable it is. |
| [00:10:00] | <drastick> | i only see stable releases for 5 |
| [00:10:14] | <JohnAlbin> | Release notes for 6.x say "I do not recommend this for production use unless you are very comfortable with getting your hands dirty with PHP." |
| [00:10:27] | <drastick> | meh |
| [00:11:17] | <stephthegeek> | JohnAlbin, i guess that's part of it.. but i got to feeling like i always had to fight the layout and all the files |
| [00:11:38] | <drastick> | hunchback looks cool but im running 6 |
| [00:11:46] | <stephthegeek> | we actually have our own base theme now... i used zen for quite a while though, and then started using hunchbaque for smaller projects that needed to get going quicker |
| [00:11:59] | <stephthegeek> | i found i had to dig in and re-learn how zen does everything each time |
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| [00:12:18] | <stephthegeek> | but i think zen is pretty cool with all the documentation and options when you're really learning how a theme works |
| [00:12:20] | <JohnAlbin> | stephthegeek: Fair point. I really need to finish documenting the default layout method. However, you can easily replace the layout.css file with whatever CSS you want. |
| [00:12:35] | <stephthegeek> | yeah i think at a certain point it was just easier to do our own :) |
| [00:12:39] | <drastick> | to be honest the css for zen is not up to par with what i would think to be a zengarden template |
| [00:12:44] | <stephthegeek> | we were always taking tons of stuff out and adding tons in |
| [00:13:35] | <stephthegeek> | i was working on such huge projects for a while that there were always 2-4 months between starting a new theme and i'd always have to re-learn zen each time :) |
| [00:13:47] | <drastick> | ive found myself deleteing all the files and starting from scratch anyway |
| [00:13:49] | <stephthegeek> | but it has a lot of cool stuff in it |
| [00:15:43] | <JohnAlbin> | stephthegeek: Well, yes, there were tons of changes in Zen between September 2007 and Februay 2008. And you guys are selling themes, no?, so Zen sub-themes would have been difficult to support for your clients (in D5). |
| [00:16:00] | <stephthegeek> | yeah i remember those.. that was an awesome change |
| [00:16:10] | <stephthegeek> | and no, it was definitely not going to work for our themes for sale |
| [00:16:14] | <stephthegeek> | but i'm speaking about client work right now |
| [00:17:42] | <JohnAlbin> | drastick: The Zen theme is meant to be a null-themed design. Extremely basic so that you can add your own styles on top. The Zen Theme Garden isn't really connected to it; that project just inspired the name of this theme. |
| [00:18:26] | <JohnAlbin> | drastick: And, if you are comfortable with PHP, you can certainly throw all of Zen's tpl.php files out. |
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| [00:18:50] | <drastick> | is there a list of just all the php tags that can be included... main nav, first, second, login etc |
| [00:19:04] | <JohnAlbin> | themeguide5? |
| [00:19:04] | <Druplicon> | Why not read the Drupal 5 theme guide? http://drupal.org/theme-guide/5 |
| [00:19:21] | <drastick> | i read through the whole theme guide for 6 |
| [00:19:29] | <JohnAlbin> | Whoops wrong theme guide. |
| [00:19:31] | <drastick> | i dont recall seeing such a list |
| [00:19:44] | <drastick> | looking again now |
| [00:20:16] | <JohnAlbin> | The basic idea of Drupal 6's theme layer is that you can copy the tpl.php files out of the module that defines those parts and modify them in your theme. |
| [00:21:09] | <JohnAlbin> | drastick: So you can find D6's default page.tpl.php in modules/system/page.tpl.php |
| [00:21:29] | <JohnAlbin> | drastick: And that file has all the PHP vars in it. |
| [00:21:46] | <JohnAlbin> | drastick: That list of vars is something I will be adding to Zen before a 6.x-1.0 version. |
| [00:22:45] | <drastick> | right im def more a front end developer but can navigate some php. i was just wondering so say in page.tpl.php you have things like <?php print $header; ?> that gives you the main nav. is there a list of everything like that for login etc |
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| [00:24:14] | <JohnAlbin> | $header doesn't give you the main nav. |
| [00:24:25] | <drastick> | hmm |
| [00:24:28] | <drastick> | im confused then |
| [00:25:08] | <drastick> | if i remove that the main nav goes away |
| [00:25:10] | <JohnAlbin> | $header prints all the blocks that have been assigned to the header region on the block configuration page. |
| [00:25:26] | <drastick> | and only the main nav |
| [00:26:07] | <drastick> | oh i get it |
| [00:26:58] | <JohnAlbin> | stephthegeek: The Zen sub-themes in D5 were trying to emulate the theme system in D6. So, just like in D6, if you want to modify something from the base system, you would copy it from there and modify it in your sub-theme. |
| [00:27:23] | * stephthegeek nods |
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| [00:28:21] | <JohnAlbin> | But its a bit of a conceptual leap from the standard D5 theme method of "hack away!" :-) |
| [00:28:43] | <drastick> | is there a way of getting things like the main nav without adding in the blocks page |
| [00:29:26] | <JohnAlbin> | drastick: <?php print theme('links', $primary_links, array('class' => 'links primary-links')); ?> |
| [00:30:01] | <drastick> | i guess i just dont get the need for the blocks |
| [00:30:57] | <drastick> | i dont plan on moving anything after its built and even if i did it would be styled for the location it is in and if i moved it in the blocks it would break anyway |
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| [00:32:35] | <JohnAlbin> | A lot of modules add blocks of functionality/content to the drupal system. So if you add a module later, you may need to have a place (region) for it in your theme. |
| [00:33:47] | <drastick> | hmm i guess that makes sense |
| [00:34:27] | <drastick> | i guess once i get it setup it will be easier to modify its just getting it setup that seems to be a real pain |
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| [00:38:51] | <JohnAlbin> | drastick: Perhaps, you shouldn't throw out zen's tpl.php files, but instead just modify them and move stuff around a lot. You can still throw out the layout.css (and possibly html-elements.css) and replace it with your own. |
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| [00:39:39] | <JohnAlbin> | If you still want to throw out Zen's tpl.php files, at least use Drupal 6's tpl files as a starting point rather than starting from scratch. I fear you are going to have issues with not including the proper PHP variables. |
| [00:44:19] | <JohnAlbin> | drastick: If you are building your tpl files by trying to find vars you find useful, you will end up breaking a lot of functionality by inadvertently NOT including a PHP var you weren't aware of. For example, if you decide to add categories to your blog posts, it won't work unless you have a $terms var in your node.tpl.php file. |
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| [04:05:16] | <drastick> | anyone know where the user login module is located |
| [04:05:51] | <erifneerg> | drastick: google with site:drupal.org |
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| [04:12:40] | <drastick> | i cant find anything in this thing |
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| [04:19:13] | <erifneerg> | ? |
| [04:20:04] | <drastick> | the only way i can see to place the login form is inside blocks. but where i want it is next to the logo which isnt in a block and i cant find the actual module that its in |
| [04:20:46] | <erifneerg> | logintoboggan? |
| [04:20:46] | <Druplicon> | logintoboggan is a module that allows a great deal of customization to your site's login block, as well as control over default roles. http://drupal.org/project/logintoboggan |
| [04:22:51] | <erifneerg> | search may not alway get u the direct link |
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| [04:29:07] | <drastick> | this isnt my first day on the internet. i look before i ask |
| [04:29:24] | <drastick> | but thanks for the sarcasm |
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| [05:14:16] | <erifneerg> | drastick: sorry, it just i found it right away |
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| [09:53:01] | <jk1> | in access control i unchecked the "create faq content" from a user but he is still geting the link why? |
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| [10:56:56] | <Oval> | Is there a specific reasons Drupal themes prefer to use print() over echo()? Does it do anything with the returned result of the print statement? |
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| [11:35:08] | <xmart2k> | hello, can someone tell me how can i make a blank theme(white page), without drupal to add own divs? |
| [11:35:27] | <xmart2k> | in drupal 5 it was easy but how can i do that in 6? |
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| [11:37:06] | <xmart2k> | so? |
| [11:37:12] | <xmart2k> | anyone alive? |
| [11:38:14] | <ipwa> | a blank theme without Drupal? |
| [11:38:18] | <ipwa> | what do you mean? |
| [11:38:44] | <xmart2k> | i want to make a theme from 0 |
| [11:39:00] | <ipwa> | http://drupal.org/theme-guide |
| [11:39:10] | <xmart2k> | so, if i make a theme folder where i have a blank page.tpl.php |
| [11:39:22] | <ipwa> | D6 themes have the same template engine, so you can add divs with templates |
| [11:39:48] | <xmart2k> | when i visit my site i want to still be blank |
| [11:39:57] | <xmart2k> | but drupal adds some div |
| [11:40:05] | <xmart2k> | i don't want them |
| [11:40:28] | <ipwa> | it might be because regions are defined in an .info file |
| [11:40:36] | <xmart2k> | no regions defined |
| [11:40:41] | <ipwa> | http://drupal.org/node/171205 |
| [11:40:43] | <Druplicon> | http://drupal.org/node/171205 => .info files for themes => 14 IRC mentions |
| [11:41:22] | <ipwa> | what divs get added? |
| [11:41:52] | <xmart2k> | page, header,container and footer-wrapper |
| [11:42:09] | <xmart2k> | and they are filled with info from the db |
| [11:43:37] | <xmart2k> | i've read that, but it doesn't answer my question |
| [11:43:43] | <ipwa> | I haven't build a theme for D6 yet, but I don't understand why you would need a completely blank template, maybe have a .info file with no regions assigned to it? |
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| [11:44:02] | <ipwa> | listen I'm only trying to help |
| [11:45:08] | <xmart2k> | i understand that, the problem is that the documentation for theming in drupal 6 sucks big time |
| [11:46:15] | <ipwa> | this is open source, so if you think something sucks, make it better! |
| [11:47:14] | <xmart2k> | i wasn't talking about drupal, i was talking about the documentation!!! |
| [11:47:16] | <xmart2k> | leave it |
| [11:47:18] | <xmart2k> | 10x |
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| [11:47:47] | <ipwa> | but ask in #drupal-support and you might find some people with more experience in D6 themes |
| [11:48:04] | <ipwa> | exactly, the documentation is provided by the users |
| [11:48:15] | <xmart2k> | i will, 10x |
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| [11:59:29] | <jk1> | in access control i unchecked the "create faq content" from a user but he is still geting the link why? |
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| [13:15:26] | <xap77> | hey |
| [13:15:26] | <Druplicon> | privet
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| [13:15:31] | <xap77> | botsnack |
| [13:15:31] | <Druplicon> | thanks xap77 :)
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| [13:26:34] | <martin87> | hello |
| [13:27:08] | <martin87> | is there a list of usefull module for theming D5 please ? |
| [13:29:27] | <ipwa__> | themesettings api |
| [13:29:30] | <ipwa__> | devel |
| [13:30:13] | <ipwa__> | iconify |
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| [13:32:02] | <martin87> | thanks |
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| [13:34:47] | <ipwa__> | no worries, I've actually been meaning to write a blog post about it and find all the useful modules |
| [13:35:15] | <martin87> | cool |
| [13:38:14] | <jk1> | is there a way to allow for a user to edit SOME of the content not all the content types? |
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| [13:39:44] | <martin87> | when you edit your content type i think youcan manage that |
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| [14:52:00] | <KenSentMe> | I use the Zen template to make a website according to my own design. I want to make the text in the primary menu (top) to appear bold, i have put font-weight: strong in the #primary id, but it still is not strong. How can i make the text bold? |
| [14:52:07] | <KenSentMe> | This is the site i am working on btw: http://peeltracks.nl/site/ |
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| [15:15:12] | <yoroy> | KenSentMe: you'll probably have to be more specific and attach the bold statement for #primary a:link {font-weight: bold;} |
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| [15:18:11] | <KenSentMe> | yoroy, thanks, someone in #drupal gave me the exact same hint and it worked. Thanks anyway for your answer |
| [15:26:02] | <yoroy> | KenSentMe: graag gedaan :-) |
| [15:28:59] | <KenSentMe> | yoroy, since i know you are dutch i got another question for you. Is it possible to install a translation of drupal/a module after the site has been installed? I check the readme of the dutch translation and it says you need to choose the language at install |
| [15:29:24] | <yoroy> | v? |
| [15:29:24] | <Druplicon> | What version of Drupal? The answer can vary widely depending on your version. |
| [15:29:37] | <KenSentMe> | Druplicon, 6.x |
| [15:30:29] | <yoroy> | KenSentMe: haven't done that with D6 yet, but should be possible. |
| [15:30:45] | <yoroy> | enable 'locale' module and check out it's features. |
| [15:31:01] | <KenSentMe> | yoroy, i actually only want the contact form to be translated. |
| [15:31:09] | <KenSentMe> | yoroy, ooh, let me check that |
| [15:31:16] | <yoroy> | (and Druplicon is the bot around here :-) |
| [15:31:47] | <yoroy> | locale? |
| [15:31:47] | <Druplicon> | locale: Provides interface translation services. => locale($string = NULL, $langcode = NULL, $reset = FALSE) => http://api.drupal.org/api/function/locale/6 |
| [15:32:01] | <yoroy> | translations? |
| [15:32:01] | <Druplicon> | translations is http://drupal.org/project/potx |
| [15:32:13] | <yoroy> | string overrides? |
| [15:32:18] | <yoroy> | nope. |
| [15:32:47] | <yoroy> | String overrides is a module if you want to translate just a few strings, if I remember correctly. |
| [15:33:16] | <KenSentMe> | yoroy, ah, Druplicon sounded very human in it's first reply |
| [15:33:22] | <yoroy> | KenSentMe: http://drupal.org/project/stringoverrides |
| [15:33:44] | <yoroy> | yeah, that's because humans write the little factoids he can answer with |
| [15:33:50] | <yoroy> | coffe? |
| [15:33:53] | <yoroy> | coffee? |
| [15:33:53] | <Druplicon> | Drupal runs on coffee |
| [15:34:00] | <yoroy> | etc… |
| [15:34:39] | <KenSentMe> | yoroy, i know that, but the bots i know have a more standard way of answering, and mostly dont ask questions |
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| [17:48:36] | <erifneerg_> | hey, how would i theme the date of a node? |
| [17:51:01] | <ipwa__> | hi erifneerg_ |
| [17:51:17] | <erifneerg_> | yo ipwa__ |
| [17:52:01] | <ipwa__> | you can do it with css, I guess you want something like a calendar background with the three letter month and the numbers below right? |
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| [17:52:42] | <erifneerg_> | hmm, yea but you'd need to do play with the node_type.tpl.php |
| [17:52:57] | <erifneerg_> | im just not sure of the of the var |
| [17:53:08] | <ipwa__> | yeah, that's where I'm going, but that's what you want right? |
| [17:53:25] | <ipwa__> | like in my site: http://www.mulpo.com/ |
| [17:56:20] | <ipwa__> | erifneerg_: you need (format_date($node->created) |
| [17:56:35] | <ipwa__> | have a look at one of my posts in the Drupal forums: http://drupal.org/node/172253 |
| [17:56:37] | <Druplicon> | http://drupal.org/node/172253 => theming custom date field => 3 IRC mentions |
| [17:57:24] | <erifneerg_> | ipwa__: yea, i just realize that's just for the date the node was created and not the cck field from the date module |
| [17:57:27] | <ipwa__> | you can find the CSS used there and even a link to calendar background icons |
| [17:57:31] | <erifneerg_> | yea |
| [17:57:54] | <ipwa__> | in my post you can find directions for both, node created and cutom date field as well |
| [17:58:05] | <ipwa__> | I mean custom date field as well |
| [17:59:07] | <erifneerg_> | ipwa__: looks right but doesn't that code belong in the template.php file? |
| [17:59:23] | <erifneerg_> | oh way |
| [17:59:26] | <erifneerg_> | wait* |
| [18:00:12] | <ipwa__> | you can add it to your template.php with a function, but its way easier to do it in the node-ccktype.tpl.php |
| [18:06:16] | <ipwa__> | did you get it erifneerg_ ? |
| [18:06:41] | <erifneerg_> | yea... well it's all giving me the same date |
| [18:06:47] | <erifneerg_> | dec 31 |
| [18:07:15] | <ipwa__> | are you doing created date, or custom date cck field? |
| [18:07:41] | <ipwa__> | @ erifneerg_ |
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| [18:09:34] | <erifneerg_> | cck |
| [18:10:04] | <ipwa__> | you need this code: http://drupal.org/node/172253#comment-267414 |
| [18:10:22] | <Druplicon> | http://drupal.org/node/172253 => theming custom date field => 4 IRC mentions |
| [18:10:27] | <ipwa__> | make sure you convert the field to UNIX |
| [18:10:51] | <ipwa__> | and make sure $field_time is the actual name of your field or change it |
| [18:11:29] | <ipwa__> | maybe that was the problem |
| [18:11:31] | <erifneerg_> | hmm |
| [18:13:05] | <ipwa__> | if you read the post carefully, you have all the info you need to do it successfully, I've been meaning to do a tutorial but haven't had much time, hope you get it, if you have any questions ask them now, because my food is about to be ready :) |
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