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| [17:21:07] | <gusaus> | aaronwinborn: ping |
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| [17:24:27] | <gusaus> | dimdim? |
| [17:24:27] | <Druplicon> | dimdim is http://groups.drupal.org/node/17810 | http://www.dimdim.com/registration/Dimdim_Signin.html |
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| [18:45:04] | <gusaus> | dimdim? |
| [18:45:04] | <Druplicon> | dimdim is http://groups.drupal.org/node/17810 | http://www.dimdim.com/registration/Dimdim_Signin.html |
| [18:45:32] | <gusaus> | bot is sleeping? |
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| [19:23:14] | <gusaus> | aaronwinborn: did you get the memo :) |
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| [20:05:46] | <gusaus> | ok - doing a lot of talking about the ongoing dojo and kata programs everywhere except this room :P |
| [20:10:05] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: how's the theme coming along :) |
| [20:11:18] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: :o I thought I was waiting on a design? |
| [20:11:38] | * trevortwining scrambles looking for the conversation that says he was waiting for a design |
| [20:13:06] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: we have basically an unfinished spec - and aaronwinborn has basically been improvising - http://dev.drupaldojo.com/ |
| [20:13:44] | <trevortwining> | if you want me to whip something together I can, I just thought someone else was doing it. |
| [20:13:50] | <trevortwining> | but I can play with a few ideas. |
| [20:14:16] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: thanks a lot dude, I was just getting through my to-do list |
| [20:14:20] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: this is where a real project manager can really help |
| [20:14:31] | <trevortwining> | ;) |
| [20:15:06] | <gusaus> | we have more than enough info, just need to recap where we are and what's next |
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| [20:17:47] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: site spec so far is here - http://drupalkata.com/drupaldojo/node/110 |
| [20:20:00] | <gusaus> | this issue, as far as I can tell is unresolved - http://drupalkata.com/drupaldojo/node/114 |
| [20:25:44] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: all this is public ^^, and a bit easier to manage/organize than the piles of wikis/issues scattered over the various drupal groups - so i'd say we should all start using that space |
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| [20:27:26] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: agreed. we should probably set deadlines for these things and just move on. any feedback/issues/problems after that time can be captured and put into a post launch release. |
| [20:29:22] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: agreed - and consensus is, it should not take long to have a good phase I site up and running |
| [20:30:34] | <gusaus> | that's one of the things we need to solidify, but I 'think' the best plan is to get a nice d6 site live and then get working on the ultimate D7 site |
| [20:31:35] | <gusaus> | the building of that site would happen over a period of several months and we'd build it ghop style w/ mentors and apprentices |
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| [20:55:30] | <gusaus> | logging? |
| [20:55:30] | <Druplicon> | Logs of #drupal, and #drupal-dev may be made for personal use only. Publishing logs of these channels is forbidden, and will result in a ban from the channel. You may only publish conversations with the consent of all those involved. Other channels may have public logs made by Druplicon, for details, see http://www.disobey.com/bot/log |
| [20:56:44] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: welcome to the dojo :) |
| [20:57:36] | <kvantomme> | hi everyone ;) |
| [20:57:47] | <gusaus> | i was just filling trevortwining in with where i 'think' we are in terms of getting the dojo site up - http://www.disobey.com/bot/log/drupal-dojo |
| [20:58:57] | <kvantomme> | I have found it really useful to have short scrumlike talks with my developers twice daily |
| [20:59:55] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: i'm thinking trevortwining and aaronwinborn don't need a lot of hand holding - we just need to reconcile what we have in terms of a spec. with what's already been done |
| [21:00:52] | <kvantomme> | that's not hand holding, it's coordination, I first also didn't want to do that, because I thought it was micro management, but I've learned that it keeps everybody focused and on track |
| [21:01:17] | <kvantomme> | now maybe you can't do that daily, but only every second day, or only on the WE |
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| [21:02:08] | <kvantomme> | but that you have to agree with the developers |
| [21:02:30] | <gusaus> | it would be good to just set a regular time to meet here and/or on dimdim to have a short recap |
| [21:02:35] | <trevortwining> | makes sense to me, simiilar approach in other places I've worked |
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| [21:03:23] | <gusaus> | obviously we're dealing with people that have very little time, so i'm definitely looking for ways to make this efficient |
| [21:03:45] | <kvantomme> | check out the wikipage for scrum |
| [21:04:05] | <kvantomme> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(development) |
| [21:04:06] | <trevortwining> | yeah I could do that regular check-in on the weekend, but weekdays would be tough, but once per week until we're done seems important |
| [21:04:35] | <trevortwining> | maybe weekly meeting to talk big picture, weekends stick to details |
| [21:05:13] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: pretty much all the docs, info, etc. is on this site now, so we should use it - http://drupalkata.com/home |
| [21:05:21] | <gusaus> | it's also public |
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| [21:05:42] | <kvantomme> | well I think you are the best person to do the project management on this gus, since you have everything in your head |
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| [21:06:15] | <kvantomme> | I could hang in there, if it's on a time that works, and coach you on the PM stuff... |
| [21:06:46] | <kvantomme> | but I think it's better if you lead it |
| [21:07:05] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: i can do the day to day, but i need someone to tell me what to do |
| [21:07:33] | <kvantomme> | then what about the following: we meet up in the WE before the general update meeting |
| [21:07:50] | <gusaus> | aaronwinborn: you around? |
| [21:07:54] | <kvantomme> | we do a strategic graphmind session on your OA install |
| [21:08:20] | <kvantomme> | and then you do the talk with Aaron and Trevor |
| [21:08:35] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: I think you're already admin on the kata site :) |
| [21:09:22] | <gusaus> | ok - so this might be a good reference point - http://drupalkata.com/drupaldojo/node/198 |
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| [21:10:27] | <gusaus> | the immediate goal is to get a workable dojo site up asap - doesn't even have to have the killer custom design / theme immediately |
| [21:11:28] | <gusaus> | once that is live, we can then start developing a d7 site as a learning project |
| [21:13:08] | <kvantomme> | can we set up a time where we can have a skype session to walk through this? |
| [21:14:27] | <kvantomme> | I don't have the time to parse all the tickets and documents that were written and make a mental object of the project in my head, you already have that, so I'lld rather help you help yourself. That way the community would get another awesome project manager ;) |
| [21:15:58] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: i'll be happy to do that for this initial phase, but for the longer d7 project it would be ideal to find someone who actually wants to learn PM by working on this cool project |
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| [21:17:35] | <kvantomme> | sure, and I can help with some coaching and sharing my humble experience, but for the immediate future... |
| [21:18:12] | <kvantomme> | so gus, do you send me a proposal for a meeting time? |
| [21:18:28] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: tell me your next avail time and we'll make it so |
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| [21:21:42] | <kvantomme> | is 9 am your time too early? |
| [21:22:08] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: nope |
| [21:24:27] | <kvantomme> | ok then tomorrow 9am your time? |
| [21:25:20] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: that works - we should meet in this room - also could fire up dimdim |
| [21:25:21] | <kvantomme> | could you install the graphmind feature from http://fserver.pronovix.net/node/7 |
| [21:25:36] | <kvantomme> | on drupalkata? |
| [21:25:59] | <gusaus> | i was testing dimdim a bit more earlier - think that actually is a good system |
| [21:26:33] | <kvantomme> | if it's only the 2 of us, I prefer skype, since we won't waste time on technical issues |
| [21:26:40] | <kvantomme> | and the screensharing in the beta version is awesome |
| [21:27:02] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: hehe - we tried that - it's really small |
| [21:27:26] | <kvantomme> | yeah horrible visuals, but good enough for most of my use cases |
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| [21:28:01] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: let's try dimdim - if there are any technical issues in the first few minutes, we'll use skype |
| [21:28:32] | <gusaus> | i was having no technical issues earlier - even on my crappy setup and connectino |
| [21:29:26] | <gusaus> | tell me if this should be the agenda... http://drupalkata.com/drupaldojo/node/110 |
| [21:30:15] | <gusaus> | ^^ the docs you see on the right is essentially the site spec - or at least what we have so far |
| [21:30:29] | <gusaus> | it's still not complete and probably needs some good revision |
| [21:30:35] | <kvantomme> | ok that's fair, I have another meeting at 7pm, that's why I'm concerned |
| [21:32:01] | <gusaus> | once that spec is solid, it will be much easier for a novice like me to manage the day to day |
| [21:32:21] | <kvantomme> | from a brief check it looks pretty good, although that it's probably too big cases to be good, although that Aaron and Trevor probably can handle that, it might not be easy for task sharing |
| [21:33:09] | <kvantomme> | The way I normally do things is that the PM does most of the content type/views work |
| [21:33:25] | <kvantomme> | as a primer for the project |
| [21:33:41] | <kvantomme> | but we'll talk about that tomorrow |
| [21:33:48] | <gusaus> | right - and that's something that still hasn't been totally locked down |
| [21:34:06] | <kvantomme> | so can you get the graphmind installed? |
| [21:34:12] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: awesome - i'll update all this on the kata site and we'll connect tomorrow |
| [21:34:21] | <gusaus> | and i'll have that installed :) |
| [21:34:28] | <kvantomme> | if you have any technical issues with it, let me know. |
| [21:34:50] | <kvantomme> | you'll need the graphmind module and service with some permissions |
| [21:35:12] | <kvantomme> | not sure how much of that the feature is currently doing by itself |
| [21:35:20] | <kvantomme> | it's cutting edge ;) |
| [21:35:52] | <kvantomme> | or you could also call it alpha :P |
| [21:36:02] | <gusaus> | ya - this will be a great way to showcase and get others involved on some of these cutting edge projects :D |
| [21:37:29] | <kvantomme> | cool |
| [21:37:54] | <kvantomme> | ok, I've got to go |
| [21:38:03] | <kvantomme> | talk to you tomorrow! |
| [21:38:20] | <gusaus> | kvantomme: looking forward to it - thanks :) |
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