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| [17:38:21] | <gusaus> | morning dojo |
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| [17:39:34] | <gusaus> | so do we now have a pro version of dimdim we can use? |
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| [17:57:55] | <blakelucchesi> | hi everyone |
| [17:58:29] | <gusaus> | hey blake :) |
| [17:58:32] | <trevortwining> | hi all! |
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| [17:59:24] | <gusaus> | amazing that people actually show up when i make the 2:30am announcement the night before |
| [17:59:59] | <blakelucchesi> | so how's everyone doing? |
| [18:00:12] | <gusaus> | tired |
| [18:00:34] | <trevortwining> | doing well. you? |
| [18:00:45] | <blakelucchesi> | i'm good, ready to move forward with the project |
| [18:00:56] | <trevortwining> | awesome |
| [18:00:57] | <blakelucchesi> | gus were you able to get the dev subdomain pointed to my iP? |
| [18:01:23] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: no |
| [18:01:35] | <blakelucchesi> | ok no problem |
| [18:01:59] | <gusaus> | but since josh_k just walked in, he'd probably be a good guy to ask :) |
| [18:01:59] | <blakelucchesi> | so shall we use irc for chat or do you guys want to do a dimdim session or some other voice chat? |
| [18:02:07] | <blakelucchesi> | right |
| [18:02:45] | <gusaus> | i could go either way - irc here for awhile - jump on dimdim if we need |
| [18:03:40] | <gusaus> | i added a few more notes regarding an agenda - http://groups.drupal.org/node/17048 |
| [18:03:41] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/17048 => Dojo redesign site planning (part II) => 1 IRC mention |
| [18:04:15] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: should i open up a dimdim room? |
| [18:04:32] | <blakelucchesi> | i'm up for whatever, |
| [18:04:43] | <trevortwining> | sounds good to me |
| [18:04:44] | <blakelucchesi> | let's just start i guess |
| [18:05:11] | <blakelucchesi> | so last night i updated the site a bit more, i added some new content types (announcements, lesson ideas, and events) |
| [18:05:45] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: what's the url? |
| [18:06:02] | <blakelucchesi> | http://lesscoffee.com |
| [18:06:22] | <blakelucchesi> | oh right, so last week I posted a bunch of info on the google groups site about the logins and how its setup etc |
| [18:07:11] | <trevortwining> | blakelucchesi: I don't think I saw that, can you provide url (google groups) |
| [18:07:23] | <gusaus> | i actually posted the non-confidential part of that here - http://drupal.org/node/206197#comment-1124637 |
| [18:07:24] | <Druplicon> | http://drupal.org/node/206197 => Set up website dev environment => Drupal Dojo 2.0, Infrastructure, critical, active (needs more info), 2 IRC mentions |
| [18:07:36] | <blakelucchesi> | ok ya let me bring that up |
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| [18:08:26] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: most of the info is ^^ |
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| [18:10:19] | <blakelucchesi> | http://groups.google.com/group/open-learning-portal-and-curriculum/web/d... |
| [18:11:06] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: that group isn't public actually |
| [18:11:20] | <trevortwining> | applying now |
| [18:11:32] | <blakelucchesi> | right thats why i posted passwords |
| [18:11:36] | <blakelucchesi> | =] |
| [18:11:43] | <gusaus> | ok |
| [18:11:50] | <josh_k> | ? |
| [18:12:13] | <gusaus> | josh_k: we're having a dojo redesign planning session :) |
| [18:12:41] | <gusaus> | josh_k: hows your redesign coming along? |
| [18:13:00] | <josh_k> | Oh, I think we'll just be using a stock theme |
| [18:13:02] | <josh_k> | reviewing some |
| [18:13:11] | <josh_k> | Senpai got all the content moved though, so there's that |
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| [18:13:59] | <gusaus> | cool - blake is filling us in right now on his progress - we should def. try to collaborate where we can |
| [18:14:09] | <blakelucchesi> | hey josh |
| [18:14:23] | * josh_k is on the phone |
| [18:14:24] | <blakelucchesi> | all i have done so fare is setup a new drupal 6 site and setup content types |
| [18:14:28] | <josh_k> | but go right ahead |
| [18:15:05] | <blakelucchesi> | today i wanted to maybe see if we can decide on what landing pages we wanted and what blocks of content we needed |
| [18:15:43] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: do have the content types documented? |
| [18:16:12] | <blakelucchesi> | yes /admin/content/types |
| [18:16:15] | <blakelucchesi> | =] |
| [18:17:37] | <gusaus> | i want to get all this into a clear, concise, site spec.. |
| [18:18:40] | <blakelucchesi> | ok, i actually do have the content types and fields written up |
| [18:18:53] | <blakelucchesi> | NODE TYPES: |
| [18:18:54] | <blakelucchesi> | - Lesson |
| [18:18:54] | <blakelucchesi> | - Title |
| [18:18:54] | <blakelucchesi> | - Abstract |
| [18:18:54] | <blakelucchesi> | - Video URL |
| [18:18:55] | <blakelucchesi> | - Topic: Development, Administration, Theming, Site Building, Hosting, Showcase, Business (Enterprise?), Demo, Education, Non-Profit, Media |
| [18:18:57] | <blakelucchesi> | - Sponsor Credits |
| [18:18:59] | <blakelucchesi> | - Lesson Idea |
| [18:19:01] | <blakelucchesi> | - Event |
| [18:19:03] | <blakelucchesi> | - Date |
| [18:19:05] | <blakelucchesi> | |
| [18:19:07] | <blakelucchesi> | - News and Announcements (Simple node type for announcements) |
| [18:19:09] | <blakelucchesi> | that didn't work as expected, let me put that in the google group docs |
| [18:19:53] | <gusaus> | heh - this chat is logged, so that's fine too |
| [18:21:01] | <blakelucchesi> | ok i updaed teh "Dev Environment" page in google groups |
| [18:21:32] | <blakelucchesi> | trevortwining: are you in the group yet? |
| [18:21:39] | <trevortwining> | no, not approved yet |
| [18:21:55] | <blakelucchesi> | gus can you get that handled real quick before we move on |
| [18:22:01] | <gusaus> | one sec. |
| [18:22:42] | <gusaus> | ok |
| [18:23:08] | <gusaus> | who is mosquito@gmail? |
| [18:23:14] | <trevortwining> | not me |
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| [18:23:28] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: you're in |
| [18:23:32] | <gusaus> | heh |
| [18:23:34] | <trevortwining> | thx |
| [18:23:46] | <gusaus> | guess that was amosquito? |
| [18:24:21] | <gusaus> | let me reference the outlines we already have |
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| [18:25:02] | <gusaus> | this is the working group i set up for this project - http://groups.drupal.org/open-learning-and-collaboration-portal |
| [18:25:40] | <gusaus> | reason being, is that the dojo site is potentially just one use case |
| [18:25:56] | <gusaus> | i've started to organize that group a bit |
| [18:26:22] | <gusaus> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/16080/project |
| [18:26:24] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/16080 => Open learning and collaboration portal => 1 IRC mention |
| [18:27:13] | <gusaus> | hopefully that helps a bit |
| [18:28:42] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: this is a major issue me thinks - http://groups.drupal.org/node/16874 |
| [18:28:43] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/16874 => Session submission and workflow => 1 IRC mention |
| [18:29:43] | <blakelucchesi> | k let me look |
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| [18:29:57] | <blakelucchesi> | right, so i created a 'lesson idea' type |
| [18:31:27] | <gusaus> | looking at that now - ok - so we have some fields we need |
| [18:31:48] | <trevortwining> | can i ask why it's a lesson idea and not a lesson? |
| [18:32:29] | <trevortwining> | isn't much of the information the same, but a lesson could be promoted from a suggestion to a planned lesson? |
| [18:32:53] | <blakelucchesi> | right, i had considered that myself, but then i thought that the comments related to the node itself will change from teh time it is an idea to when it is a lesson |
| [18:32:57] | <gusaus> | the idea is to first give people the ability to propose a lesson - they wouldn't necessarlly be the one teaching it |
| [18:33:07] | * trevortwining ducks in case he's hijacking discussion |
| [18:33:16] | <blakelucchesi> | no not at all, this is good discussion |
| [18:33:33] | <gusaus> | this is very important |
| [18:34:04] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: agree with the thought, but don't think there's anything in that workflow that precludes it from just being called a lesson. |
| [18:34:20] | <trevortwining> | instructor for example could be implemented as a userreference field |
| [18:34:28] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: there are actually 4 related issues on the bottom of this http://groups.drupal.org/node/16874 |
| [18:34:29] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/16874 => Session submission and workflow => 2 IRC mentions |
| [18:35:11] | <gusaus> | http://drupal.org/node/201898 |
| [18:35:23] | <Druplicon> | http://drupal.org/node/201898 => We need nodes for teachers to choose their topic(s) => Drupal Dojo 2.0, Website, critical, active (needs more info), 3 IRC mentions |
| [18:35:24] | <ChrisBryant> | hi everyone, sorry been busy (and lurking) |
| [18:35:35] | <ChrisBryant> | I think it makes sense to have them separate |
| [18:36:01] | <ChrisBryant> | can always use something like Node Convert to turn it into an actual lesson: |
| [18:36:01] | <ChrisBryant> | http://drupal.org/project/node_convert |
| [18:36:11] | <blakelucchesi> | perhaps we can set up the 'lesson idea' to have a node reference to the actual lesson |
| [18:36:19] | <gusaus> | oooo - nice one |
| [18:36:21] | <blakelucchesi> | i think functionally they are two separate things |
| [18:36:49] | <ChrisBryant> | yes, agreed |
| [18:36:53] | <blakelucchesi> | when i come to the site and i see a lesson, i don't care too much about the discussion regarding whether or not someone should do it, i care that its there and want to read about the actual content |
| [18:36:54] | <gusaus> | ok - so they are separate? |
| [18:37:27] | <blakelucchesi> | but i do agree in the fact that someone who finds the lesson proposal should be directed to the lesson should it have been created |
| [18:37:51] | <trevortwining> | yeah, I'm convinced, the lesson idea doesn't need as much attention paid to workflow, and we can simplify it to make it easy to work with. |
| [18:37:52] | <ChrisBryant> | that's my vote |
| [18:38:05] | <blakelucchesi> | cool |
| [18:38:16] | <blakelucchesi> | so i guess to wrap up the lesson idea, what additional fields do we need? |
| [18:38:25] | <gusaus> | here's another related issue |
| [18:38:27] | <gusaus> | http://drupal.org/node/207042 |
| [18:38:28] | <Druplicon> | http://drupal.org/node/207042 => Lesson and project wishlists/suggestions => Drupal Dojo 2.0, Website, critical, active (needs more info), 2 IRC mentions |
| [18:39:03] | <gusaus> | there actually are suggestions for fields in there also |
| [18:39:04] | <blakelucchesi> | gus can you summarize? i can't read all that right now |
| [18:39:24] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: look at this one - http://drupal.org/node/207042#comment-682622 |
| [18:39:25] | <Druplicon> | http://drupal.org/node/207042 => Lesson and project wishlists/suggestions => Drupal Dojo 2.0, Website, critical, active (needs more info), 3 IRC mentions |
| [18:39:57] | <trevortwining> | This works with an idea I had about having multiple instances of a lesson. Like I just did a workshop called Lightning views/cck/panels theming for d6. I would probably set more than one time to give that presentation over a period of a few months. |
| [18:41:31] | <blakelucchesi> | hmm |
| [18:41:36] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: do you want me to list those fields out |
| [18:41:39] | <trevortwining> | I think the layout in 16874 still needs some work in terms of fields and workflow. |
| [18:42:12] | <blakelucchesi> | ya i don't think those fields really relate from GHOP |
| [18:42:24] | <trevortwining> | blakelucchesi: agreed |
| [18:42:39] | <blakelucchesi> | so maybe for now we keep it simple free entry, and allow voting |
| [18:42:59] | <trevortwining> | for lessons or lesson ideas |
| [18:43:05] | <blakelucchesi> | should we see a trend where consistent data is put in the description, or certain questions are consistently raised in discussion, we can add fields |
| [18:43:08] | <blakelucchesi> | less ideas |
| [18:43:09] | <trevortwining> | +1 for voting on lesson ideas |
| [18:43:11] | <blakelucchesi> | lesson ideas |
| [18:43:44] | <blakelucchesi> | ok i'm installing votingapi and fivestar now |
| [18:43:56] | <blakelucchesi> | shall we move on to lesson nodes? |
| [18:44:11] | <trevortwining> | sure |
| [18:44:28] | <blakelucchesi> | ok you guys are logged in and can see the site admin stuff right? |
| [18:44:52] | <trevortwining> | yep |
| [18:45:00] | <gusaus> | yes to voting on lesson ideas - i do think we need to differentiate somehow to the types of content - i.e. lessons, workshops, projects, etc. |
| [18:45:39] | <blakelucchesi> | ok, so for lessons what I did was enabled multiple videos per lesson |
| [18:45:40] | <trevortwining> | lesson: Title, audience, topics, difficulty, abstract, files, links, related |
| [18:45:46] | <blakelucchesi> | this is in case the lesson was broken up |
| [18:45:57] | <trevortwining> | saw that. nice idea |
| [18:46:04] | <blakelucchesi> | right so i kinda got conflicted on the 'audience' i guess |
| [18:46:10] | <blakelucchesi> | i created a taxonomy to tag the videos |
| [18:46:24] | <blakelucchesi> | and basically wanted to make it really easy so someone could filter them out by what they were looking for |
| [18:46:36] | <blakelucchesi> | and so the taxonomy doesn't necessarily represent a skill level or interest |
| [18:46:39] | <blakelucchesi> | but all of the above |
| [18:46:55] | <blakelucchesi> | http://lesscoffee.com/admin/content/taxonomy/1 |
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| [18:47:15] | <blakelucchesi> | maybe i can add difficulty levels to that taxonomy |
| [18:47:18] | <trevortwining> | maybe they should be separate vocabs? |
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| [18:47:44] | <blakelucchesi> | perhaps, or if there is only 3 should we set them as a field |
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| [18:47:54] | <blakelucchesi> | easy, hard, really hard? |
| [18:48:08] | <blakelucchesi> | or is it more like beginner, developer, themer |
| [18:48:31] | <blakelucchesi> | i'm thinking categorizing by easy medium difficult, isn't really a fair or helpful way to categorize |
| [18:48:31] | <trevortwining> | beginner, novice, intermediate, advanced, mind-numbingly difficult? |
| [18:48:35] | <blakelucchesi> | haha |
| [18:49:07] | <blakelucchesi> | i guess i'm thinking, in the end we want a pretty nice lesson finder screen |
| [18:49:11] | <blakelucchesi> | http://lesscoffee.com/lessons/search |
| [18:49:12] | <trevortwining> | We can provide summaries of what each of these mean and do up a page that lists them. |
| [18:49:15] | <blakelucchesi> | basically an advanced view |
| [18:49:28] | <blakelucchesi> | so that if you visit the site the first time and are looking for videos |
| [18:49:32] | <gusaus> | audience and difficulty should be different taxos yeah? |
| [18:49:49] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: agreed |
| [18:50:11] | <blakelucchesi> | ok so those categories i have there now, i think those would define the audience |
| [18:50:21] | <blakelucchesi> | they can choose for themselves what types of video they want to see |
| [18:50:30] | <blakelucchesi> | and if they want to limit it to a difficulty they can |
| [18:50:51] | <blakelucchesi> | additionally i was thinking of adding 'non-profit' and 'education' to that categories taxonomy |
| [18:51:01] | <trevortwining> | yep, in that case you want separate vocabs for each, although media will be more a content type filter. |
| [18:51:03] | <blakelucchesi> | err 'Lesson Topics' sorry |
| [18:51:29] | <blakelucchesi> | ok, so I'll add a field perhaps to the lesson |
| [18:51:29] | <trevortwining> | I think topics can be freetagged, at least for a while, no? |
| [18:51:44] | <blakelucchesi> | we can add free tagging as well |
| [18:51:57] | <blakelucchesi> | but i think having a set of structured topics is helpful in a search form |
| [18:52:27] | <gusaus> | i think the topics should follow along the same lines as you see at drupalcons and camps |
| [18:53:09] | <gusaus> | Code development |
| [18:53:20] | <gusaus> | Core, contributions and trends |
| [18:53:27] | <gusaus> | Design |
| [18:53:37] | <gusaus> | Growing Drupal |
| [18:53:40] | <trevortwining> | not entirely in agreement, I think it should follow a more structured curriculum, although that is still in flux |
| [18:53:47] | <gusaus> | or something like that |
| [18:54:07] | <gusaus> | alexua: you lurking? |
| [18:54:18] | <gusaus> | any thoughts on that? |
| [18:54:57] | <blakelucchesi> | i really think this has to be targetted to new comers |
| [18:55:36] | <gusaus> | newcomers - like make it really easy for them to find stuff? |
| [18:55:41] | <blakelucchesi> | yes |
| [18:55:46] | <blakelucchesi> | so the categories i have now |
| [18:55:49] | <gusaus> | agreed |
| [18:55:52] | <blakelucchesi> | if you look at this page |
| [18:55:53] | <blakelucchesi> | http://lesscoffee.com/lessons/search |
| [18:56:11] | <blakelucchesi> | i'm going to change that to a set of checkboxes not select, but regardless you get the idea |
| [18:56:27] | <blakelucchesi> | essentially you want to find videos, here, search for videos based on why you are here |
| [18:56:39] | <blakelucchesi> | i want to add education and non-profit to the list as well |
| [18:56:58] | <blakelucchesi> | so you can find showcase videos for non-profits |
| [18:57:11] | <blakelucchesi> | or business related videos, or videos for designers |
| [18:57:14] | <trevortwining> | agreed, but a better way to accomplish that might be to organize some of it for them. so if you're a beginner designer, this list of lessons is perfect for you. via nodequeue as an example. |
| [18:57:29] | <blakelucchesi> | ok i can agree with that |
| [18:57:44] | <blakelucchesi> | and i do like the idea of manual promotion of good content into a suggested reading style list |
| [18:57:52] | <trevortwining> | I don't think it negates the need for the kind of search you're talking about though. |
| [18:58:02] | <trevortwining> | that's still important. |
| [18:58:54] | <gusaus> | we still need to differentiate between the session types |
| [18:59:03] | <trevortwining> | If they can follow through each lesson, they'll start developing some competencies and will get more comfortable just grabbing things they're interested in. and up the learning curve you go, well on your way past 'suck' |
| [18:59:14] | <blakelucchesi> | right i completely agree with that trevor |
| [18:59:25] | <blakelucchesi> | session types can be categorized |
| [18:59:32] | <blakelucchesi> | or do we want a field? |
| [19:00:08] | <blakelucchesi> | field might be a good idea |
| [19:00:13] | <trevortwining> | what kinds are we envisioning, live, recorded, what else? |
| [19:00:15] | <blakelucchesi> | so that we can list it specifcially alongside a teaser |
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| [19:00:26] | <gusaus> | Lesson, tutorial, or howto |
| [19:00:28] | <blakelucchesi> | my list would be: demo, tutorial, showcase |
| [19:00:31] | <trevortwining> | ah |
| [19:00:34] | <gusaus> | Workshop, sprint, or project |
| [19:00:44] | <gusaus> | Discussion, Coffeetalk, or BOF |
| [19:00:45] | <blakelucchesi> | i don't see sprint being there |
| [19:00:58] | <gusaus> | Showcase, Case study, or demo |
| [19:01:00] | <blakelucchesi> | i could see coffee talk |
| [19:01:19] | <gusaus> | sprints and workshops should be there |
| [19:01:43] | <blakelucchesi> | can you find me a video of one? |
| [19:01:53] | <trevortwining> | not entirely sure how the sprint fits in gusaus, could you expand on that? |
| [19:02:12] | <gusaus> | there needs to be a place for project based learning |
| [19:03:01] | <gusaus> | this project for instance - there are going to be a series of lessons, and educational materials from this experience |
| [19:04:06] | <gusaus> | this actually could be thought as a sprint in itself - i.e. project planning |
| [19:05:14] | <blakelucchesi> | those are just general lessons then |
| [19:05:25] | <blakelucchesi> | and we can organize them using a node queue perhaps |
| [19:05:34] | <blakelucchesi> | i don't think that makes them a special type of presentation |
| [19:06:20] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: I agree with the need to have that kind of information, just not sure it fits there. |
| [19:06:28] | <blakelucchesi> | right |
| [19:06:36] | <blakelucchesi> | but it is definitely necessary |
| [19:06:56] | <gusaus> | session type |
| [19:07:08] | <gusaus> | lesson, workshop, bof, etc. |
| [19:07:14] | <blakelucchesi> | ok i'm going to add lesson type as a field |
| [19:07:57] | <gusaus> | this might provide an example - http://groups.drupal.org/taxonomy/term/6892 |
| [19:08:00] | <blakelucchesi> | Tutorial, Presentation, Demonstration, Case Study |
| [19:08:18] | <blakelucchesi> | do we need any more that are DIFFERENT from those |
| [19:08:57] | <gusaus> | workshop or sprint |
| [19:09:20] | <blakelucchesi> | can you give me an example of a workshop |
| [19:09:23] | <trevortwining> | What's different between a presentation and a demonstration? |
| [19:09:40] | <gusaus> | this is a workshop |
| [19:09:46] | <blakelucchesi> | my thought on that is that a presentation is usually a video from a camp or the like |
| [19:09:58] | <blakelucchesi> | a demo, is like when someone shares their new module and they have a quick demo of it |
| [19:10:14] | <gusaus> | http://groups.drupal.org/taxonomy/term/7251 |
| [19:10:20] | <blakelucchesi> | and my thought on tutorial would be any video that specifically shows how to do something |
| [19:10:47] | <trevortwining> | blakelucchesi: ok I get that. one could expect demos to be shorter and deal with a single module or concept. |
| [19:10:53] | <blakelucchesi> | perhaps we break it down by presentation style |
| [19:11:04] | <blakelucchesi> | perhaps screencast and live presentation are different |
| [19:11:18] | <gusaus> | i actually have run off for a bit - will be back in about 20mins |
| [19:11:23] | <trevortwining> | but you could have a demo that's also a tutorial, or a tutorial that could be a demo. |
| [19:11:25] | <blakelucchesi> | right, something along these lines i just don't know exactly how we want to differentiate |
| [19:11:28] | <gusaus> | look at these - http://groups.drupal.org/node/17044 |
| [19:11:30] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/17044 => Workshop: Project planning => 1 IRC mention |
| [19:11:32] | <blakelucchesi> | right |
| [19:11:42] | <gusaus> | http://groups.drupal.org/taxonomy/term/7252 |
| [19:11:52] | <gusaus> | http://groups.drupal.org/taxonomy/term/7252 |
| [19:12:07] | <gusaus> | all workshops essentially as we go thru this process |
| [19:12:12] | <gusaus> | ok - back in a few |
| [19:13:08] | <blakelucchesi> | ok so... |
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| [19:15:26] | <blakelucchesi> | ok i gotta go, lets continue this later |
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| [19:41:02] | <gusaus> | hmmm... meeting adjourned? |
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| [19:44:05] | <gusaus> | some progress there |
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| [19:57:14] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: yeah blake and I both had to leave. we didn't get through that issue w/ the workshops, but all in all I think it's a minor issue and we have lots to move forward on outside of it. |
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| [20:03:23] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: sure - it's mainly a categorization thing - we also need to figure out the best way to tie any related lessons, workshops, etc. together - again, the development project serves a a pretty good proof of concept |
| [20:04:45] | <gusaus> | i'll compile the good bits from the chat and make sure they make it into the relevant docs |
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| [23:52:41] | <manuee> | most interesting blog post ive seen in some time http://www.developmentseed.org/blog/2008/nov/24/next-level-team-communic... |
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