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| [17:48:22] | <blakelucchesi> | hey guys |
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| [17:52:36] | <gusaus> | dojo rocks |
| [17:56:58] | <blakelucchesi> | hey gus |
| [17:57:07] | <blakelucchesi> | is anyone else here for the 10am planning meeting? |
| [17:57:53] | <gusaus> | i am :) |
| [17:58:12] | <manuee> | huh meeting what who where? |
| [17:58:46] | <gusaus> | we're going to talk about building the next version of the dojo site...err.. or what could be the next version of the site |
| [17:58:51] | <blakelucchesi> | chris charlton is coming i think |
| [17:59:34] | <gusaus> | the chat is logged here - we could also fire up dimdim (altho the free version only has a limit of 5?) |
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| [17:59:52] | <gusaus> | yo ChrisCharlton |
| [18:00:16] | <blakelucchesi> | no skype voice chat? =] |
| [18:00:29] | <ChrisCharlton> | yo gusaus |
| [18:00:30] | <Druplicon> | ChrisCharlton: 2 weeks 2 days ago <dellintosh> tell ChrisCharlton I'm interested in doing the zen theme for the new dojo site. Can you send me any other mockups, or did you just want me to build it based on your flickr post? |
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| [18:00:44] | <gusaus> | heh |
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| [18:01:05] | <gusaus> | hey ChrisBryant :) |
| [18:01:07] | <ChrisCharlton> | dellintosh: that flickr post is all I got for it really. |
| [18:01:20] | <trevortwining> | Hi all |
| [18:01:25] | <ChrisBryant> | morning ladies and gents |
| [18:01:45] | <dellintosh> | messages? |
| [18:01:45] | <Druplicon> | I'm checking to see if you have any new messages ... |
| [18:01:57] | <blakelucchesi> | hey chrisbryant |
| [18:02:07] | <gusaus> | do you think we'd get more done all talking at the same time or just laying out thoughts/ideas here? |
| [18:02:13] | <dellintosh> | messages? |
| [18:02:13] | <Druplicon> | I'm checking to see if you have any new messages ... |
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| [18:02:45] | <gusaus> | this is an outline i put together at 2am last night - http://groups.drupal.org/node/16705 |
| [18:02:49] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/16705 => Dojo redesign site planning => 1 IRC mention |
| [18:03:01] | <manuee> | ow ok, how long from now will be the meeting ? |
| [18:03:02] | <ChrisBryant> | is the meeting just in here or on dimdim as well? |
| [18:03:41] | <gusaus> | we only have to free version of dimdim, so there's a limit to the amount of people who can join |
| [18:03:44] | <blakelucchesi> | if we're just texting lets use IRC otherwise, i'm not sure how, but could we do a phone conference on skype somehow? |
| [18:04:29] | <gusaus> | actually the limit on dimdim is 20, so i could set up a meeting |
| [18:04:35] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: I think it depends on how many participants, but I generally like voice for getting consensus |
| [18:04:49] | <blakelucchesi> | trevortwining: agreed |
| [18:05:03] | <gusaus> | ok - let's try dimdim? |
| [18:05:24] | <gusaus> | i'll set that up |
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| [18:06:26] | <gusaus> | will have a url in one sec |
| [18:07:02] | <gusaus> | http://webmeeting.dimdim.com:80/portal/JoinForm.action?confKey=gusaus |
| [18:07:06] | <gusaus> | try that |
| [18:09:17] | <gusaus> | does that work or anyone? |
| [18:10:35] | <trevortwining> | I'm in |
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| [19:27:42] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: i just shut it down, which i think turned it off |
| [19:27:56] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: yep, that seems to have done it? |
| [19:27:58] | <trevortwining> | lol |
| [19:28:43] | <gusaus> | i think dimdim works - will help if everyone has headsets :) |
| [19:30:48] | <gusaus> | ahh... cool - i've already received the recording |
| [19:31:10] | <trevortwining> | yep, that's what I was using, I had to grab my macbook just before the meet though...normally use ubuntu |
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| [19:35:21] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: ChrisBryant blakelucchesi dimdim captured the audio, but it's just whoever hosted the meeting - it's a bit bizarre |
| [19:35:40] | <blakelucchesi> | odd |
| [19:35:52] | <trevortwining> | gus, so it's just you talking? |
| [19:36:12] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: weird |
| [19:36:14] | <gusaus> | yeah - so me talking - then a long pause... me talking again |
| [19:36:46] | <gusaus> | i'll have to follow up w/ our friends at dimdim and see if they're working on a solution |
| [19:37:33] | <gusaus> | it records the chat w/ no problems - http://recordings.dimdim.com/chat/f5176792-02fc-102c-a126-003048944478 |
| [19:42:34] | <ChrisBryant> | dimdim audio didn't work too well for me on Linux |
| [19:43:00] | <ChrisBryant> | I could hear blakelucchesi and trevortwining just fine |
| [19:43:28] | <gusaus> | heh - not /me |
| [19:43:40] | <trevortwining> | ChrisBryant: oh it does work on Linux, I thought it didn't |
| [19:43:45] | <ChrisBryant> | but gusaus voice was hard to hear (quiet) and then it would delay and play louder but like slow and time stretched |
| [19:44:15] | <gusaus> | ChrisBryant: that's just the freakish way i talk :P |
| [19:44:29] | <ChrisBryant> | lol.. no, surely not ;) |
| [19:45:02] | <gusaus> | there's a problem w/ echo/lag if someone isn't using a headset |
| [19:45:29] | <trevortwining> | yeah, most voip conferencing is like that though, same problem w/ skype and teamspeak when we used those |
| [19:45:34] | <blakelucchesi> | i wasn't on a headset, just my macbook pro |
| [19:45:49] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: :x |
| [19:45:51] | <gusaus> | heh |
| [19:46:14] | <gusaus> | i think next time we try it we should see if there's a diff when we all have headsets |
| [19:46:34] | <gusaus> | the audio that it captured (just of me) was pretty good |
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| [19:55:56] | <gusaus> | josh_k: Senpai so we had a good planning session for what hopefully can become the new dojo site - trevortwining blakelucchesi ChrisBryant and a few other ninjas are committed to delivering something useful |
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| [19:58:25] | <gusaus> | just want to make sure it doesn't overlap w/ any other work that's begun |
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| [20:08:56] | <Senpai> | nice! |
| [20:11:25] | <gusaus> | Senpai: yeah - we have a commitment to deliver something kick ass w/ in a few weeks - and will document the process, openly develop similar to how they're doing it with the d.o. redesign |
| [20:11:52] | <gusaus> | i.e. involving the community, but still getting it done :) |
| [20:13:25] | <gusaus> | what's still a bit unclear is 1) how/who will decide if what's being built will be up to dojo ninja standards |
| [20:13:47] | <gusaus> | and 2) where we should/could set up the dev. |
| [20:14:36] | <gusaus> | ideally, i think, that would be on the same server where the current site is hosted |
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| [20:21:39] | <trevortwining> | hey gusaus nuthin like layin on the pressure eh? |
| [20:21:46] | <trevortwining> | :) |
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| [20:22:10] | <Senpai> | the open build is a good idea. keep that in the open, and others can use it to learn how to coordinate a team. |
| [20:23:19] | <Senpai> | gusaus: You'll need a different dev server to develop this upon. The server we're running right now is dedicated to the drupaldojo.com, .net. and .org domains. |
| [20:23:27] | <gusaus> | yeah - this will all be a proof of concept - i think the agreed goal is to just get it done - we'll use this room, dimdim, etc. to capture the collaboration |
| [20:23:45] | <Senpai> | Plus, you never wanna develop on the same server where your production sites lives |
| [20:23:59] | <Senpai> | What if someone calls a file_delete_all() |
| [20:24:26] | * Senpai is kidding about that func. No, don't go look it up in the api. |
| [20:24:49] | <gusaus> | Senpai: def. am looking for advice from the experts :) |
| [20:25:24] | <gusaus> | do you think it could/should be hosted somewhere w/ WH or should we host the dev. ourselves? |
| [20:25:37] | <gusaus> | either way is fine |
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| [20:32:00] | <Senpai> | I'd love to be able to extend the group another servr, but I just can't. |
| [20:32:25] | <Senpai> | So let's find someone who's got a VPS they can loan for a low-traffic dev env. |
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| [20:32:55] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: ^^ :) |
| [20:33:02] | <Senpai> | yeah? |
| [20:33:58] | <gusaus> | well.. i'll let him answer, but we discussed possibly setting it up there |
| [20:34:17] | <Senpai> | Where do you wanna keep a codebase? |
| [20:34:22] | <Senpai> | Unfuddle is cool. |
| [20:34:30] | <Senpai> | Beanstalk is SVN only |
| [20:34:30] | <gusaus> | ChrisBryant :) |
| [20:34:35] | <Senpai> | so no ticketing |
| [20:35:03] | <gusaus> | yeah - so possibly chris for unfuddle - blake for the dev. |
| [20:35:23] | <Senpai> | just don't fall into the trap of letting someone create an SVN repo on their own server, and then checking out from there.. |
| [20:35:32] | <Senpai> | dangerous for a project, long term. |
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| [20:36:01] | <Senpai> | There's another integrated SVN + ticketing that's really cool, but I cann aremember it's name right now |
| [20:36:14] | <abhinavlal> | its trac |
| [20:37:08] | <gusaus> | well... if the dojo approves the new site, then it would be moved to where the current one resides? not totally clear on how that all will be determined |
| [20:37:17] | <Senpai> | no no, I said "cool". |
| [20:38:01] | <abhinavlal> | assembla.com provides free subversion+trac hosting for open source projects |
| [20:38:58] | <Senpai> | If you guys develop a kickass site that meets the needs of the dojo community, I'll be more than happy to archive as read-only the existig site, and replace it with the new one. But, having said that, you've got several months of development and testing |
| [20:39:10] | <Senpai> | not to mention integration points with video services. |
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| [20:39:22] | <Senpai> | that'll chew up an easy six weeks right there. |
| [20:39:34] | <Senpai> | assembla, eh? I'll look. |
| [20:39:41] | <gusaus> | we're going to fast track this |
| [20:39:57] | <Senpai> | um, no. Don't do that again. |
| [20:40:10] | <Senpai> | Fast trackig is how we got into this mess the first time, 'member? |
| [20:40:37] | <Senpai> | Let Josh do the down and dirty site so we can start having lessons again. You guys should build the real deal |
| [20:40:55] | <gusaus> | uhh... yes i remember, but i think the issue was not having the people ready to commit |
| [20:41:10] | <Senpai> | You mean commit -m? |
| [20:41:18] | <Senpai> | hehehe |
| [20:42:52] | <gusaus> | i'm not really sure what needs to be done to the current site right now - we're pretty much ready to do more lessons - that's not having much to do w/ the site |
| [20:43:09] | <gusaus> | a few issues need to be resolved w/ dimdim |
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| [20:43:50] | <gusaus> | hah- and speaking of, i just got a follow up email from dimdim |
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| [20:45:10] | <gusaus> | anyone who want's to do a dojo lesson can just submit something here - http://groups.drupal.org/node/add/event?gids[]=2191 |
| [20:47:43] | <gusaus> | also talking to our good friends here about them helping with media production and distribution - http://www.ourmedia.org/ |
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| [20:48:50] | <gusaus> | they have a complimentary learning center - http://ourmedia.org/learning-center |
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| [21:07:52] | <josh_k_> | oh yeah |
| [21:08:12] | <josh_k_> | gusaus: I think Senpai has the right idea |
| [21:08:30] | <josh_k_> | quick update to current site will happen next friday/weekend |
| [21:08:37] | <josh_k_> | in advance of my lesson on the 23rd |
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| [21:25:32] | <gusaus> | josh_k_: ok - we'll start the dev. on blakelucchesi's server - and will openly document the progress - i think there is a lot of similarity regarding the immediate needs for the dojo site - so if we can collaborate wherever that makes sense...err... that might make sense :P |
| [21:25:49] | <blakelucchesi> | yo, i'm here |
| [21:26:07] | <gusaus> | i'll post more detail on what we talked about |
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| [21:27:39] | <ChrisBryant> | hi josh_k_ |
| [21:27:45] | <gusaus> | blakelucchesi: just trying to sort out how best to move forward - as prev. discussed, it's looking like you'll be our fine host for the dev. |
| [21:27:57] | <blakelucchesi> | ok that works for me |
| [21:28:30] | <ChrisBryant> | everyone, is there one place currently that outlines the desired/planned features? |
| [21:28:48] | <ChrisBryant> | blakelucchesi: I know you have some notes, and I know there are a few posts here and there |
| [21:28:57] | <ChrisBryant> | as well as issues in the issue queue |
| [21:30:03] | <gusaus> | ChrisBryant: bringing all the scattered ideas/notes together is certainly one of the goals |
| [21:30:23] | <blakelucchesi> | i have notes from today but not done yet |
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| [21:30:32] | <ChrisBryant> | but it seems to me that there should be one coherent document that describes: |
| [21:30:33] | <ChrisBryant> | actors (and audiences) |
| [21:30:33] | <ChrisBryant> | primary use cases |
| [21:30:33] | <ChrisBryant> | feature requirements |
| [21:30:33] | <ChrisBryant> | and from there a list of: |
| [21:30:34] | <ChrisBryant> | modules |
| [21:30:35] | <ChrisBryant> | content types & fields |
| [21:30:36] | <blakelucchesi> | basically has each content type with fields, user profile fields |
| [21:30:37] | <ChrisBryant> | views |
| [21:30:39] | <ChrisBryant> | roles |
| [21:30:42] | <ChrisBryant> | categories |
| [21:30:43] | <ChrisBryant> | menus |
| [21:30:45] | <blakelucchesi> | probably list primary menu items and categories |
| [21:30:46] | <ChrisBryant> | blocks |
| [21:30:46] | <blakelucchesi> | right |
| [21:30:47] | <ChrisBryant> | etc.. |
| [21:31:12] | <gusaus> | the fact that this room is logged, makes it a good place to talk things out |
| [21:31:37] | <ChrisBryant> | cause without at least an initial version of a document like that it doesn't seem to make sense to get too far ahead |
| [21:32:18] | <gusaus> | ChrisBryant: agreed - this is the original project with issues already set up - http://drupal.org/project/drupal_dojo |
| [21:33:04] | <ChrisBryant> | ya, I'm aware of that |
| [21:34:13] | <gusaus> | this is a relevant issue and it links to the current outline - http://drupal.org/node/201891 |
| [21:34:14] | <Druplicon> | http://drupal.org/node/201891 => Finalize Feature Spec for Website => Drupal Dojo 2.0, Website, normal, active (needs more info), 8 IRC mentions |
| [21:35:07] | <gusaus> | ^^ i'll work on breaking out the priority and future needs |
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| [21:49:06] | <gusaus> | ChrisBryant: blakelucchesi trevortwining - i broke out the priority features we discussed and will add in other bits we talked about - http://groups.drupal.org/node/15953 |
| [21:49:07] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/15953 => Open learning and collaboration portal => 12 IRC mentions |
| [21:49:31] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: cool thx |
| [21:51:52] | <gusaus> | trevortwining: please don't hesitate to add your name to the team ^^ :) |
| [21:52:21] | <trevortwining> | gusaus: ah, nuthin like signing your life away eh? |
| [21:53:11] | <gusaus> | heh - you're just giving this thing more cred :) |
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| [21:53:20] | <trevortwining> | do we want to do the lead and apprentices? |
| [21:53:30] | <trevortwining> | If someone wants to learn as I go that would be pretty cool |
| [21:53:55] | <gusaus> | yeah - again this will be a proof of concept on process |
| [21:54:48] | <trevortwining> | so anyone in here want to work with me while I put together the theme for dojo 2.0? |
| [21:55:44] | <trevortwining> | hmm, see a lot of ninjas on this list and not a lot of apprentices... might have more luck over the #drupal-themes |
| [21:55:45] | <gusaus> | i think for each major component of the dev. we'll have a dojo session or sessions - think it would be a great way for people to learn from a real world project - so very drop/ghop style |
| [21:55:53] | <trevortwining> | cool |
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| [21:56:18] | <blakelucchesi> | i'll do my best to talk over a screen cast while building |
| [21:56:55] | <trevortwining> | yeah, that might be a bit tough for me, lots of concentrating, not usually a lot of talking... |
| [21:57:09] | <trevortwining> | maybe keep a dev diary or something similar. |
| [21:58:02] | <gusaus> | again, the drupal.org redesign provides some good ideas on how to keep things open while still getting it done |
| [21:58:29] | <blakelucchesi> | ya |
| [21:59:03] | <gusaus> | one key role that's yet to be filled is a technical project manager - i.e. someone who actually knows how to do that |
| [21:59:57] | <gusaus> | that's probably something i can post in a recap about what we've already discussed |
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