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| [01:20:31] | <Jonathon> | What is the correct way to update part of a form when a selection is made within that form (using Drupal 6)? Is it a matter of writing JS/Ajax or is there something "prebuilt" to do this? |
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| [04:05:10] | <mrking> | glad to be here :) |
| [04:05:26] | <Michelle> | Hi :) |
| [04:05:34] | <mrking> | hello |
| [04:05:34] | <Druplicon> | que tal
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| [04:11:34] | <mrking> | hey, am getting on the tutorial on drupal |
| [04:11:49] | <mrking> | yea, am a noob, just started |
| [04:11:51] | <mrking> | :) |
| [04:12:17] | <mrking> | lotsa stuff to look into to have a better understanding |
| [04:12:55] | <Michelle> | Oh, yeah, lots to learn :) |
| [04:13:20] | <mrking> | ok, let me finish the video and get back here for some clarification |
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| [04:23:10] | <mrking> | Michelle, so when we create a theme, how does it applies to the admin area |
| [04:23:37] | <Michelle> | Erm... I don't understand the question |
| [04:24:31] | <mrking> | because what i have been seeing is how to create the layout for the user end |
| [04:24:53] | <mrking> | what about the admin area |
| [04:25:10] | <Michelle> | It's the same theme unless you choose an admin theme |
| [04:25:17] | <Michelle> | Drupal doesn't have a "backend" |
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| [04:26:30] | <mrking> | i think im getting you, so when we need to edit certain contain, the admin can just click on the edit button found somewhere in the content area ? |
| [04:27:20] | <Michelle> | Right |
| [04:27:50] | <Michelle> | If you have access, all nodes (posts) have an edit tab on them |
| [04:28:30] | <mrking> | oh yea, thats call node |
| [04:28:36] | <mrking> | gr8, let's se |
| [04:28:37] | <mrking> | *see |
| [04:29:53] | <mrking> | ok, so on the template variables, i guess this is telling the template to output diff content on diff area |
| [04:30:52] | <mrking> | depending on where i insert the variables in the template |
| [04:30:54] | <mrking> | ? |
| [04:32:32] | <Michelle> | Well, you have different template files for different things... |
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| [04:35:21] | <mrking> | oh yes, for blocks,node etc |
| [04:36:10] | <mrking> | and the variables is initialise from the core and modules and "pass" to the template to output the end result |
| [04:36:13] | <mrking> | ? |
| [04:39:11] | <Michelle> | http://drupal.org/node/171188 might help you |
| [04:39:15] | <Druplicon> | http://drupal.org/node/171188 => Theming overview => 3 IRC mentions |
| [04:39:27] | <Michelle> | Honestly, I'm not up for an in depth discussion of the theme system just before bed :) |
| [04:41:46] | <mrking> | hax, my bad |
| [04:41:59] | <mrking> | thanks anyway ;) |
| [04:42:00] | <Michelle> | It's ok. I'm just too sleepy to really grok your questions |
| [04:42:05] | <Michelle> | Not to mention I'm not a themer |
| [04:42:47] | <mrking> | yea, im also looking at writing modules, but i think working with theme is a good way to start with drupal |
| [04:43:31] | <mrking> | thanks druplicon |
| [04:43:43] | <Michelle> | Druplicon is a bot |
| [04:44:11] | <mrking> | lol |
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| [05:04:27] | <josh_k> | Bdragon: ping? |
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| [17:48:03] | <yhager> | Just verifying I got the correct timezone - the KDI meeting is about to start within an hour and ten minutes, right? |
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| [17:57:29] | <Michelle> | Looks like it, yhager |
| [17:57:35] | <Michelle> | Thanks for saying that... I was remembering wrong. |
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| [18:00:33] | <Michelle> | Sigh... That's unfortuante, too. I got the kids down for an early nap so we could run to the store before it... I would have been better off going to the store and putting them down for a late nap during it |
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| [18:14:16] | <yhager> | heh.. I hope you'll be able to attend anyhow.. |
| [18:14:39] | <Michelle> | I'm going to try... I'm on the fence about applying |
| [18:15:01] | <Michelle> | steph seems to think I should but I looked at the apps and I'm not so sure |
| [18:16:18] | <yhager> | Oh.. I see there's another application.. I am too debating about applying.. |
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| [18:54:27] | <Michelle> | Hi Ken |
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| [18:55:12] | <agentrickard> | hi michelle! |
| [18:55:34] | <Michelle> | I remembered the time wrong and screwed up the timing of the day so not sure how long I can stay :( |
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| [18:57:13] | <agentrickard> | well, we're just here to answer live questions about the Knight Drupal Initaitive, so there is no real plan |
| [18:57:30] | <agentrickard> | http://groups.drupal.org/knight-drupal-initaitive |
| [18:57:53] | <Michelle> | Yeah, I was interested in seeing how it goes in here... Still unsure about applying |
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| [19:05:28] | <Michelle> | Ugh... I timed that horribly. Both kids are up now :( |
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| [19:06:45] | <agentrickard_> | ok, so we set aside two hours to answer general questions about the Knight Drupal Initative |
| [19:07:13] | <agentrickard_> | I don't see Jose Z yet. but fire away if you have questions. There is no set agenda |
| [19:08:19] | <Michelle> | Well, I guess I'll ask... stephthegeek seems to think I should apply for advforum. But I've looked at the apps so far and they're doing way more exciting things than adding features to the forum. Do you think it has a chance in hell? :) |
| [19:09:31] | <agentrickard_> | i don't quite know. Improving Drupal core has a chance. |
| [19:09:40] | <agentrickard_> | But is not the highest priority. |
| [19:09:58] | <agentrickard_> | For Knight. But if we say that it should be; they would listen. |
| [19:10:15] | <Michelle> | Well, this is contrib right now. Improving core forum is on the to do list but not sure where that's going just yet |
| [19:10:30] | <bmadore> | Hey Ken, how does this initiative mesh with the News Challenge? Should news-centric projects wait or try both? |
| [19:11:19] | <agentrickard_> | News-centric might wait. KDI is "community" centric. |
| [19:11:33] | <agentrickard_> | Community can but does not necssarily mean "news" |
| [19:11:54] | <agentrickard_> | Michelle: my answer would be that it won't hurt to ask. |
| [19:11:56] | <Michelle> | What about all this stuff we've got planned for profiles? Is that related? That's communityish |
| [19:11:59] | <agentrickard_> | especially in the beginning |
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| [19:12:09] | <agentrickard_> | profiles, quite possibly |
| [19:12:27] | <agentrickard_> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/11859 is largely profile-ish |
| [19:12:29] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/11859 => Information-Sharing using FeedAPI and Buddylist => 1 IRC mention |
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| [19:12:37] | <Michelle> | That would be a hard one to apply for, though... It's become bigger than me with allt he stuff sdboyer is doing and the whole mysite question |
| [19:13:02] | <friendlyprimate> | As I understand it, install profiles have an important role to play to lower the barrier to entry |
| [19:13:06] | * sdboyer spies agentrickard_! |
| [19:13:14] | <Michelle> | This whole KDI thing is tantalizing but not sure where I fit |
| [19:13:15] | * agentrickard_ hey sam |
| [19:13:19] | <Michelle> | friendlyprimate - Wrong profiles :) |
| [19:13:24] | <sdboyer> | hiya ken |
| [19:13:26] | <agentrickard_> | true |
| [19:13:36] | <agentrickard_> | but install profiles are very interesting to Knight |
| [19:13:37] | <friendlyprimate> | ahh |
| [19:13:43] | <agentrickard_> | so not wrong |
| [19:13:53] | <friendlyprimate> | only contextually :) |
| [19:14:03] | <Michelle> | sdboyer - What do you think about trying to apply for something for the whole profiles bit? |
| [19:14:19] | <Michelle> | We'd have to nail down a plan of who's doing what |
| [19:14:21] | <agentrickard_> | well, from a "user profile" standpoint, we could consider asking for funding for improvements, since someone has to write those |
| [19:14:23] | <sdboyer> | oh right, the KDI discussion is now, totally forgot |
| [19:14:32] | * agentrickard_ snickers |
| [19:14:44] | <yhager> | I'm having a similar feeling as Michelle, I don't have a good understanding whether my idea(s) about applying fit the KDI or not.. |
| [19:14:54] | * sdboyer pulls out his list of items for KDI :) |
| [19:15:07] | <agentrickard_> | yhager: what have you got? |
| [19:15:18] | <sdboyer> | yes, Michelle, if it's the kind of thing that Knight would be interested in, then i'd be all for hammering out some concrete plans |
| [19:15:21] | <agentrickard_> | the requirements are pretty loose, deliberately |
| [19:15:30] | <merlinofchaos> | I thought about applying for a grant to ressurect assignblame, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to ask for media money for a website whose main purpose is to mock the media. |
| [19:15:35] | <Michelle> | sdboyer - I think that has more chance than advforum |
| [19:15:40] | <Michelle> | merlinofchaos - LOL |
| [19:15:41] | <bmadore> | The app page http://groups.drupal.org/node/10461 says "When a proposal has a high level of support" has not been permanently defined. Any initial thoughts on when a proposal will hit that mark? |
| [19:15:49] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/10461 => KDI Application Process => 1 IRC mention |
| [19:15:54] | <agentrickard_> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/11798 |
| [19:16:01] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/11798 => Proposal review guide => 1 IRC mention |
| [19:16:09] | <agentrickard_> | bmadore: that's my best shot there |
| [19:16:12] | <yhager> | agentrickard: I have wrote a module that simplifies image uploading to nodes (imagefield_crop) and would like to extend that to support more image manipulation techniques.. |
| [19:16:14] | <Michelle> | My other worry with advforum is that I'd get it done before the app process was over. LOL |
| [19:16:29] | <agentrickard_> | yhager: definitely |
| [19:16:40] | <agentrickard_> | if others are on board with your approach |
| [19:16:52] | <agentrickard_> | let's back up for a second and take Merlin's example |
| [19:16:59] | <sdboyer> | agentrickard_: one quick thing - wanted to make sure that you saw the note i sent around to the dev list last night/this morning; it's going to be one of the more pertinent aspects when it comes to doing the big mysite/panels/profiles/user* fun integration |
| [19:17:03] | <agentrickard_> | THis is not totally unrealistic |
| [19:17:15] | <agentrickard_> | sdboyer: not yet |
| [19:17:31] | <sdboyer> | no worries, it's really more of a reference document, just wanted to make sure it's on your radar |
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| [19:17:54] | <yhager> | agentrickard_: sure, that will have to be coordinated with the community (e.g. groups.drupal.org/image) |
| [19:17:54] | <agentrickard_> | If Merlin is going to build "assignblame" as a model site and insall profile for community-based media watchdog efforts, that is totally cool. |
| [19:18:11] | <agentrickard_> | yhager: and that's your bigest challenge |
| [19:18:16] | <merlinofchaos> | agentrickard: It's why Views, Nodequeue and Panels got built. =) |
| [19:18:26] | <agentrickard_> | you know, there was talk of a media summit in Portland |
| [19:18:33] | <yhager> | agentrickard_: right. I'll try to walk between the drops and not get wet.. :) |
| [19:18:39] | <agentrickard_> | perhaps we should ask for funding for something like that. A code sprint |
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| [19:18:59] | <friendlyprimate> | RE the media summit -- part of our proposal could help tie in with that |
| [19:19:34] | <merlinofchaos> | agentrickard_: See, now that makes it tempting. |
| [19:19:41] | <agentrickard_> | merlinofchaos: right. And if you spin the project as a toolset for others, then KDI is very interested. Gary and his team very much like the idea of installable apps that solve specific needs. |
| [19:19:48] | <friendlyprimate> | we have already started looking at ways of standardizing media handling, and, as luck would have it, are already in Portland |
| [19:19:53] | <agentrickard_> | merlinofchaos: the summit idea? |
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| [19:20:54] | <merlinofchaos> | agentrickard_: Setting up assignblame as a flagship for an install profile for doing small, multi-author article publishing sites. |
| [19:21:00] | <gusaus> | interesting - the los angeles group is also considering a media code sprint |
| [19:21:33] | <agentrickard> | so that sounds like a proposal right there -- funding for a 3-day code summit and then a project lead to improve image handling |
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| [19:22:39] | <agentrickard> | I think it is important, that when you read the KDI requirements, note that half of them are the Drupal mission statement. |
| [19:22:50] | <agentrickard> | Use that as your primary guide and let Knight handle the other part. |
| [19:23:09] | <agentrickard> | But think "replicable" and "easy" |
| [19:23:35] | <agentrickard> | both of the first two proposals are of that nature |
| [19:23:44] | <yhager> | friendlyprimate: What kind of media handling standatization do you mean? |
| [19:24:23] | <friendlyprimate> | our proposal is at http://groups.drupal.org/node/11585 |
| [19:24:25] | <Druplicon> | http://groups.drupal.org/node/11585 => Local Publishing Platform and Regional Aggregation Hub => 2 IRC mentions |
| [19:24:35] | <sdboyer> | agentrickard: ok, so, proposal #1 that i've been kicking around: i'd like to write a module that fully facilitates consensus-based decisionmaking - it'd be able to use og's logic, or any other logic for defining participants. there's a loooong discussion in i lay out how it'd work (and consensus as a formal process gets pretty well covered, if you're not familiar with it) here: which https://support.mayfirst.org/ticket/ |
| [19:24:35] | <sdboyer> | 575#comment:17 |
| [19:24:56] | <friendlyprimate> | we have been looking at media handling on both the publishing and aggregating end |
| [19:25:07] | <yhager> | friendlyprimate: Oh.. ok, I didn't relate you to that proposal.. :) |
| [19:25:16] | <friendlyprimate> | ways of simplifying media handling for content creators |
| [19:25:16] | <sdboyer> | dunno if community decisionmaking models are the type of thing that're on Knight's radar |
| [19:25:29] | <agentrickard> | freindlyprimiate is funnymonkey wrote slantwise |
| [19:25:41] | <friendlyprimate> | and ways of simplifying media publishing on the aggregation side |
| [19:25:45] | <agentrickard> | sdboyer: well, community decision tools might be |
| [19:25:52] | <agentrickard> | think comunity organizing |
| [19:25:58] | <sdboyer> | that's what i think all day long :) |
| [19:26:08] | <zstolar> | agentrickard: I got one more of the "would it be a good idea to apply" questions. |
| [19:26:15] | <sdboyer> | well, when i'm not coding - yeah, i'm an organizer, and that's exactly what it'd be used for |
| [19:26:17] | <agentrickard> |
